TeamRealtreeHD Posted August 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2008 I know it is better jetted now with the plug chop because it pulls harder and revs out. It didn't before. I didn't have a chance to blow up the bike because I knew it wasn't jetted and didn't ride it. I have been trying to find the time to chop these plugs for 3 weeks... I finally did. And now I can ride the thing since I know it is good. It would take an idiot to ride it and keep riding it knowing it isn't right on. I said before you can do what you want and do what is reliable for you. My bike didn't pull nearly as hard with 1-2 sizes leaner than what is is now. But a WPT check sure said it was good to do so with those sizes. My .02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdhc500 Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 (edited) what are you talking about? youre not supposed to just run through some woods, and then check your plugs.. a WOT plug check is where the bike is good and warm. you run it up through the gears to 4th or 5th, run it wide open for a few seconds and then shut the bike down and coast to a stop.. then check your plugs.. who taught you to do a WOT plug check that way? that doesnt even make sense. plug chops are NOT essential, or even necessary.. if so, then how come ive never blown up a bike? not to mention the countless other people who dont do them? we are all just lucky i guess?? It does! The thread starter is referring to not chopping your plugs and just looking at them after you have some time on them to check the color versus doing a plug chop and getting a feel for the jetting that way. I was stating why that may not be the best method to "just look at the color" especially if you ride woods or do and low end lugging, or your bottom circuits are right on or even rich. Your WOT plug test probably does work, it obviously works for you. The bottom line is you know enough about your machine and your setup to know ballpart where the jetting should be anyway. I have done plug testing both ways, all three really. I just rode it for a few hours and looked at the plugs, I did the WOT plug test you do, and the chop. With a new set of plugs I personally found that your method did not put enough color on the plugs for me to feel comfortable that it was jetted correctly, when in reality it was. I choppped the same plug down and had my 2mm ring at the base... I think its a matter or experience and personal opinion... Edited August 25, 2008 by mdhc500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdhc500 Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 I think what hes trying to say is that if you just ride normally and look at the plugs they could look good but in all actuality they may not be. This IS exactly what I was saying... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXBlessedWithDeathXx Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 So Loco is still at it. dude, give it up. the more i read what you post the more of a joke you are. if the chops, tires, all that happy shit dont work for you then dont use them. if it works for these guys then good for them. its one thing to give advice that you believe is correct or that works for you but if something else works for someone else then so be it. your a joke man. a little punk gangster hahahaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdhc500 Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 I know it is better jetted now with the plug chop because it pulls harder and revs out. It didn't before. I didn't have a chance to blow up the bike because I knew it wasn't jetted and didn't ride it. I have been trying to find the time to chop these plugs for 3 weeks... I finally did. And now I can ride the thing since I know it is good. It would take an idiot to ride it and keep riding it knowing it isn't right on. I said before you can do what you want and do what is reliable for you. My bike didn't pull nearly as hard with 1-2 sizes leaner than what is is now. But a WPT check sure said it was good to do so with those sizes. My .02 If you feel it worked for you, then it works!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboybanshee Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 What do you guys think? Who here thinks it is a waste of time... this is a personal opinion. I think chopping the plug down to where you can see the porcelain is a waste of time, but I'm not saying that checking your plugs is a waste, every one should do it if you feel something isn't right. There have been enough threads on the site with different setups to have a general idea of what you should be running, definitely good for a baseline to start. General rule of thumb, start rich, ride the bike, and fine tune it from there by the way the bike reacts to throttle position. If you know how to tune a carburetor, and know how an engine should sound and run, a WOT 1-6 gear pass and plug chop isn't necessary. That's strictly my opinion though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 I think chopping the plug down to where you can see the porcelain is a waste of time, but I'm not saying that checking your plugs is a waste, every one should do it if you feel something isn't right. There have been enough threads on the site with different setups to have a general idea of what you should be running, definitely good for a baseline to start. General rule of thumb, start rich, ride the bike, and fine tune it from there by the way the bike reacts to throttle position. If you know how to tune a carburetor, and know how an engine should sound and run, a WOT 1-6 gear pass and plug chop isn't necessary. That's strictly my opinion though wordness.. travis, whats been up man? been racing the beast at all? you planning a dune trip for his fall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboybanshee Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 wordness.. travis, whats been up man? been racing the beast at all? you planning a dune trip for his fall? You got it, racing every weekend I can! I'd love to make a dune trip but my wife would kill me if I left her that long while she's pregnant...She about took my head off for being gone overnight at the bonne terre ATV nationals, lol Are you still tearing up the hillclimbs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 I think if you're a beginner and are unsure of rough jetting specs...a plug chop itself is a good idea. Once you know you're safe and close, you learn to tune by sound and feel. I always check my plugs....I don't chop...I just look down the porcelain towards the bottom. I've smoked one piston on my current bike, totally my fault from getting greedy on my power jet and methanol...I luckily paid a very easy price. I tune mine by the sound, feel and the heat the plug is making....but I start out by looking at the ring on the bottom of the porcelain...in my world (as in bigboy's too...) it takes time to color a plug, could be too late by then. It also take a little time for the motor to make a little heat as shown on the plug, too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE GRIM RIPPER Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 How bout this felles....... I Don't even have a spot to go to with a stretch long enoungh to do a 1 - 6 wot pull if I wanted to.... Which I do ..... I mean I could maybe just pull it off the back off my truck and shred down 95 or some other major road I guess? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXBlessedWithDeathXx Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 How bout this felles....... I Don't even have a spot to go to with a stretch long enoungh to do a 1 - 6 wot pull if I wanted to.... Which I do ..... I mean I could maybe just pull it off the back off my truck and shred down 95 or some other major road I guess? lol no one ever said that but some would do that. i`m sure of it. my bike would run perfect 1st threw 5th once i hit 6th wot it just wouldnt go. thats when i noticed it was lean. i put many hours on the shee before i noticed it. it ran fine and the plugs looked good but once i noticed 6th i knew i had a problem. if it wasnt for racing a KTM 525 and wanting to win by as much length as possible i wouldnt have noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE GRIM RIPPER Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 I actually had that same problem when (very rarely) I would break into 6th gear... This was however before my recent rebuild so I couldnt apply it to my current setup but... Anyway, Im still not sure if my jetting was ever right because of how it used to slug so hard in sixth gear.... My condition (knowing what I know now) seemed to be more of a rich one though, like it would just load up and bog. I would be grabbing handfulls of clutch trying to reach powerband with no luck. This all used to happen only when I went to Paragon sisnce they had a sweet long striaght road, with my new setup I havent reached 6th once.. But Im sure its to fat @ the main Jet right now anyway... :wallbash: Tuning is harsh sometimes man, no matter how you do it, Mr. Fusion kit Data or plug Chops :biggrin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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