Michael Jackson Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Only a tree can get me off my Banshee in the trails. It doesn't matter what might be better. It's what you like that counts. Long live the Banshee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fuckin A, i dont have any "trail mods".. and i love my banshee properly jetted there should be no 'lowend bog" like alot of people talk about, obvisouly its not gona have the instant torque ofd a 450, but it shouldnt bog by any means either, anwyhere , when i hit the gas, it goes, i love it... front suspension and tires are the first things id do after a set of pipes and air filter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy7398 Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 ive also heard you cant race motocross on a banshee, but im so far ahead of them its hard to hear exactly what they are saying :biggrin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13bturbofc Posted November 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 yeah i dont care what kind of 4 stroke you have they will never be as fun to ride as a banshee thats why i want to make it better on trails instead of buying a new 450 id rather spend the money and make the banshee better..the thing is that it already has more then enough mid and top end power... i drive a 500whp mazda rx7 but this thing just scares the hell outta me lol i cant even remember the last time ive gotten into 5th or 6th gear under the riding conditions i encounter lol...so i dont need anymore top end power mods just low end.. im not sure what jets are in it now i havent taken them apart yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screaming Yellow Zonker Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 I don't think you will ever get rid of the low end bog. you can make it better. Definitely the 2 into 1 carb. Maybe some PT mids. Some V-force reeds. you could also go for the "woods" porting. I would also look into the 450 front arms, shocks and spindles to help it handle better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiftdT4R Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Somebody's just mad because they only get to run in a straight line. :biggrin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screaming Yellow Zonker Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 I would also change your gearing. go down 1 in the front and up 1 in the rear. 13:42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richybanshee Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 If you want more low end power: get 20-21cc domes (use 93 octane fuel) get a 13 tooth front sproket (I do not think you need it with the Procircuit Pipes, but since you want a little more ...) get 22" wheels (so that you do not get stock on every root) I ride the trails with CPI pipes ... yes, I know ProCircuit, FMF and others are better for trail riding, but I love the pipes and still manage to go over any obstacle and high slope hills, even mild mud situations. You get used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 So, I'm going to stick with my original statement, you can have one fun trail bike with a few suspension mods, and a little engine work. I paid 1500 for my 2001 Banshee, and I put about 5-6k into it so far, still less then the price of a brand new YFZ. You just pretty much cemented my point. Who said you have to buy a brand new YFZ? Buy a used one, which can be had all day long for 3 to 4K in GREAT Shape, often with a pipe and air filter already on them. Put 500 to 1000 in it, still have less invested, and it is WAY better of a trail bike. I know my bike now is setup to drag race, but as said....this is my first year on a full drag bike. Cause before this year, I was still riding trails, dunes, everything on a banshee.... And I rode with a bunch of guys on 450s, Rs and YFZ....and it wasn't even fun or close to ride with them....period. Now...that being said, it's my fault I've taken this off topic....sorry bout that. I think once you clean your jetting up on the bottom end for that bike, you need to put money into suspension and tires. A Arms, aftermarket shocks, etc. Just be careful, the normal trend is to go wider up front and back...and if you ride that tight of trails, squeezing between two trees just got more hectic... Also get some good tires, for trails I like RAZR 2s...they are meaty bastards. Good luck, sorry I got so far off topic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washburn Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Dont go to a shop to tune your banshee they will charge you out the ass for something you can do for 6 bucks an a half hour yourself by getting your jetting dialed in witch is easy as hell to do. Just find out what jets you have in there and ask around here where you should be. As far as the Banshee not being good for trails is a cop out for someone who cant ride a 2 stroke. And saying they dont or arent capable of making awsome torque in the lower RPMS To about 6000RPMs is because you are talking to a builder who only knows how to take out material and make a dune/drag Banshee. Talk to someone who knows how to build a good trail motor Jim at Passions racing for example. He will laugh at you if you think Banshess are only good for reving to the moon and Detuning it for raw torque. A broad motor can be built and CPIs can be a good trail pipe since they sign on so early. 400exs and 450s might be eayser to ride but to me they arent as fun and if you know how to shift and clutch you can leave any 4 stroke in the dust. I chose to build my Banshee with all of the great suspension and handeling components because thats what I choose to ride and I wont trade for any 4 stroke. Ive been offered too many trades where I would actualy come out on top but the hell with that I choose to ride a twin cyl 2 stroke. Dave I like you man, and you know your shit, Im not knocking you Im simply stating what I know and I KNOW its all about the rider on the bike not the bike you are riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 You guys are all missing my point. Ok...you can take it to a great builder, get pipes, carb, intake and porting setup to get low end out of it. Done. A few thousand dollars....but, ok...done. Then...there's the suspension. 20 year old design, you can easily spend 2 to 4 K on that with a better swinger, a arms, shocks, etc. And what are you left with...including the price of the bike, IF it didn't need anything else....and what do you have? A bike that may compete, MAY compete, with a new 450R with a pipe, air filter, jetted...maybe even a cam. FOR A LOT LESS MONEY. Guys, it's a banshee site, I understand that. You know how much I love the bike....god knows I've spent enough to make two or three banshees, trail, dune and drag race....but, I only have one to show for it.... Now I'm not saying I personally...cause hell, I'm 31...out of shape (round is a shape, though) overweight, etc. But equal skill riders on a trail'd up banshee vs. a near box stock 4 stroke will get beat all day long....for less money invested. Tell me this. Factory guys have a near limitless budget, how many top names compete on banshees? ZERO...not one. They get the best motor parts from the factory, they get the best suspension, etc. Hell, they could make a shopping cart into a MX or GNCC bike if they wanted to. But what do they all choose? A new style 450.... I completely, totally and 100% understand the need for speed, the rush of any two stroke, let a lone the twin banshee... And I also understand wanting to build what you have...not sell for something else... Believe me, I do. And I'm all for it...go for it. But my point from page 1, paragraph 1, sentence 1 is that the 4 stroke is a better trail bike out of the crate, it's cheaper to go faster on, and easier to go faster on. Hell, while I'm on it...a 250R is a better trail bike..... That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying you can't make a banshee a trail bike, I'm just saying there are better, easier and cheaper choices..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiftdT4R Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Actually, I think your missing my point. I now have a 95% brand new bike, completely rebuilt engine, all seals, bored, new rad, changed all fluids, you name it. I don't want to pick up some hunk of shit used YFZ with all their oil problems blowing cases and what not. And I don't want something that someone beat the shit out of. So, I'm still sticking with my statement. Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you anymore here, my advice to the thread starter stands, and it's up to him to make a decision on whether or not to build it up or sell it for something else. But, I don't regret any penny I've put into my shee(except for the boost bottle :yelrotflmao: ) I love the shee for trails. I consider my self of average skill level, and I have no problem hanging with guys my same skill level on any bike. Ive ridden with YFZs, LTRs, and 450Rs, I don't race, but I have a ton of fun, and the thing has never let me down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy7398 Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 i spent jsut under 6g's last year rebuildin my shee for mx, could i have bought a used yfz for 3 or 4 and put a couple grand into it, yes, but it still would not be a shee, i love my shee and shee kicks those 450s asses all over the track, especialy on the hole shoots. could i be even better on a yfz, im sure i could. but i love my shee, they got 6 gears for a reason, use them. keep it in the powerband and your rockin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Jackson Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 TRAITOR!!!! HANG HIM!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4strokessuck Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Man this thread went trail riding on a 4 poke. Way off topic. He doesn't want to sell the damn bike, he want's to fix it. If the bike is balls out on top but loading up in the middle, try hiking the needles up one notch. Also you aren't doing any good with stock domes on a head. Up the comp. a lil' with some smaller domes. That alone will make a big difference. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washburn Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 You guys are all missing my point. A bike that may compete, MAY compete, with a new 450R with a pipe, air filter, jetted...maybe even a cam. FOR A LOT LESS MONEY. Tell me this. Factory guys have a near limitless budget, how many top names compete on banshees? ZERO...not one. They get the best motor parts from the factory, they get the best suspension, etc. Hell, they could make a shopping cart into a MX or GNCC bike if they wanted to. But what do they all choose? A new style 450.... Actualy thats false. There are a ton of factory GNCC riders out there who will tell you straight up they would rather race a 250R than any new 450 but why would a Honda Suzuki Yamaha not push what they are making and selling now instead of 20+ years ago?. Yes they cost more to build but as you know 2 strokes are just more fun to ride. Most guys I know with 450s and wouldnt think of bothering with a 2 stroke moved up from tricked out 400exs or Hybrid 450s and they love their 4 strokes so do the whole ATV buying Nation that sees them winning on one. But then you take your racer that started out on a 2 stroke knows how to handle the power and loves that hit even if they have to sink in a little more money and TLC. The 250R guys the 500 Guys and the Banshee guys who love and wont give their machine up for the world. Plus like I said no MABYES about it, if you are a good rider you can hang with any advanced 4 stroke with the rite upgrades YES! Really though, whats easy and cheap with any quad thats going to be raced? 4 strokes cost a fortune to rebuild and some of the 450s dont even have the bugs worked out yet witch may or may not end up costing you more in the longrun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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