wacko2000 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 a good port job , pipes, +4 degree , filter and rejet will beet most 450's . when they put 600 kits with aftermarket heads thats a different story I agree with what you said about beating most 450's Yea but how often do you think that you are goin to come cross your weekend warrior rocking a 600 kit.. I kno that around here, I dont have to worry about that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Jackson Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 i dont see how you need ported cylinders to keep up with or beat a piped yfz.. some of you guys are crazy or have only ridden with highly modded 450;s that are lying to you.. not just piped ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko2000 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 See the 450's are new to me, My bike was in pieces for over a year, over here where I live the 450's just starting getting popular.. MJ do yoiu think a piped shee will hang with a modded 450 with more than just a pipe...She I dont know how they react to a pipe bc My buddy that rides with me, you prob seen him at coal hill has a stock 450 and I dont think they are anything special... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheerider1026 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 i have a friend that has a stock banshee, only thing it has is pipes, it has a stock head, stock reeds, stock port, he runs a 13/41 gearing and beats the 450's, oh yeah his timing is bumped up +4.. so yea the 450's arent all that they are cracked up to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanv10 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Quick question, so is the yzf450 faster than a raptor 700? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Jackson Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 ive only ridden a piped trx and yfz, they are nothing special, alot of instant torque, better traction off the line in the dirt, you can get them outa the hole quick without alot of tire spin easier than a banshee of course, get em in the open , on pavement, on grass,and the banshee is just as fast as a piped one of them if not faster on the topend, im only talking about piped/k&N filter here, never rirdden or ridden with a ported/hihg comp piston, camed one though but i bet they are sweet. id really like to get my hands on a KTM 525xc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Jackson Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Quick question, so is the yzf450 faster than a raptor 700? id say they are pretty close as far as acceleration goes, i guess thats what you mean by faster?, but total different animals of course, the 700 likes to be lugged and short shifted and just has tons of torque everywhere, the 450 has alot of torque and can be lugged a gear higher too, but they definityl make their power higher up in the rpms and like to be revved a little more than a 700, seems like the 700's are faster when you lug them if you know what i mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeRider71 Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 (edited) Ok everyone for the record, 450'S are fast with the right set up an alot of $$$$$$$ I had a heavily modded YFZ an ya I out ran a few Banshee's but I had alot of money in my bike an the Shees I ran only had like pipes an filter, I knew better than to run against a heavily modded shee cuz when im revved out in 5th wishing for another gear the shee would be revved out in 6th like 3 lengths ahead, I dont at all miss the 450 and when I traded in the 450 on a new stock Banshee even though my bike is stock it still impresses me for a stock bike, it didnt have an trouble hangin with my friends modded shee I may not have out ran him but I only was out ran by like 3 lenghts. but ya rider weight , expirence , and bike set up, place your racing are all very important factors. Edited December 14, 2007 by BansheeRider71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagunCajun Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 (edited) Rider makes all the difference. Getting off the line is the most important thing imo. I watch a lot of drags when i go ride and it's always a roll of the dice(it's mostly 400s/450s 4 strokes with your basic bolt ons). People take off bad, wheelie when they dont want to, miss a shift, stall yadda yadda. I am guilty of all of those errors and i have the video to prove it heh. The only time i see a person consistently win is when they are pushing some MAJOR with a set up leaning toward to drag rather than play around. IMO just build a fun/reliable play bike and be happy. btw, port it with supporing mods and you can beat them even if you get beat off the line. Ported shees pull very hard when set up right. Edited December 14, 2007 by RagunCajun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko2000 Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Rider makes all the difference. Getting off the line is the most important thing imo. I watch a lot of drags when i go ride and it's always a roll of the dice(it's mostly 400s/450s 4 strokes with your basic bolt ons). People take off bad, wheelie when they dont want to, miss a shift, stall yadda yadda. I am guilty of all of those errors and i have the video to prove it heh. The only time i see a person consistently win is when they are pushing some MAJOR with a set up leaning toward to drag rather than play around. IMO just build a fun/reliable play bike and be happy. btw, port it with supporing mods and you can beat them even if you get beat off the line. Ported shees pull very hard when set up right. Im gonna have to agree with you, build your bike and enjoy, you cant win them all, just have fun.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2strokespirit Posted December 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 My bike runs with just bolt on parts. V Force 3s, K&N, Pro Circuits. Yfz 450 on hard terrain wil beat me over the 1st 100m of a 1/4 mile, but then I will catch it just before the end of a 1/4 mile, I am a heavy guy, but can ride. The LTR450s are good from the pull up to top end speed, they runs next to me, but are faster on the top end speed, with stock gearing and bigger tires. I also think it depends on the rider, But with just the normal bolt on parts like pipes and filter and the same riders I think they are all very close..........till you start with the addiction......then the 450s get smoked!!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagunCajun Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 (edited) a 1/4 mile is a very long race imo. I think i can almost top out in the 1/8th. I dont see a point in racing a 1/4 mile. It's just hard on the bikes' engine and hp/sprocket sizes will decide the winner. Edited December 14, 2007 by RagunCajun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2strokespirit Posted December 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 My bike top out in 1/8, true... but so does everyone else's. Launching on hard surface is not easy, so even on a 1/4 mile it depend on the rider, the guy who can do a perfect launch, he will won most of the time, except if there is a dramatic gear ratio differance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2strokespirit Posted December 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 a 1/4 mile is a very long race imo. I think i can almost top out in the 1/8th. I dont see a point in racing a 1/4 mile. It's just hard on the bikes' engine and hp/sprocket sizes will decide the winner. It was a race day for cars and pick ups. We here a few quads and did the whole 1/4mile thing against some heavy modified cars and pick ups for fun. Hard on a bikes engine.... my bikes engine get it all the time as hard as I can, so I am sure nothing compare to some XC which the bike get hammered for 5km of open road full throttle.... I bought this thing to race, its been lasting for 14 months now, and still going strong, sure it will have to get a rebuild soon and a new clutch, but this motor is so reliable and I maintain it very good. Not trying to make a point here. :thumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagunCajun Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Actualy im glad to hear that. Its nice to see people beating the hell out of their bikes. I've done long drags races over and over again and i was suprised how well my engine hold up :cool: . People were letting theirs cool and i was just pushin on. racing cars in the 1/4 sounds like a blast. They wont let us do that here. Id be all over that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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