Dgrey Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 (edited) Alright so I bought these arms on e bay. They are ASR arms and im installing them now. I think im done for the night because its cold. Anyways... They are slighly used so im assuming the dude that had them before had the top and bottom adjustments close to good for his bike. You know how the top has the two heim ends that screw in and out and the bottom has one... Camber and Caster I believe, but I don't really know for sure. 1. Is they only way to check the tire tilt angle to install them all the way with shocks and bolt the tire up and see how strait up and down it is? That seems like a real PITA because I would have to dissasemble all kinds of stuff to readjust. Please let me know if that is what has to happen... 2. Are the correct arms installed on the correct side? I have no instructions 3. Is the upper arm bolted in right? It seems like these spacers are used to suck up the free space between the upper frame a arm mounts, correct? I ride a glamis and gordon's well so its all sand how should the tire be? Facing more in on the top or more out on the top or strait up and down like my stock arms were? If you know please try and answer all my questions so I can be safe on my 1st ride with these its kind of scary because they are used. I ride with some crazy inscane bastards and I need to be confident with the suspension. Maybe I should have bought new... to late. :ermm: Edited October 6, 2007 by Dgrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5150banshee Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 everything looks to be correct,although i would loose those brake lines and go with the ss lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dgrey Posted October 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 everything looks to be correct,although i would loose those brake lines and go with the ss lines. Yes sir! Thanks for the reply.... the works shocks and +2 ss lines are on their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboBanshee420 Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 (edited) whoa.... First I have to say that on my a-arms the big ball joint that bolts to the spindle has a jam nut on it,(yours should too) plus it should be screwed out a bit maybe 3/4"... this way you can screw in the inside/upper hiems. They look to be about 3/4" too far out. one good whack and I would be worried about the top arm shearing the hiems off. A threaded rod isn't the strongest thing. those upper links on the top arm are only meant to be screwed out no more than roughly an inch at the most and I think even that would be pushing it for my own tastes.(not including the width of the jam nut) That pic makes me wonder how many threads are inside that tube. Not many i'm thinking. To be on the safe side I would just pull the very large and strong hiem on the wheel side out to make up the difference. You can find the proper jam nut for the big hiem at a loews or something. I can understand why you screwed them all the way in since it has no jam though. Just even them out a bit... better safe than sorry Edited October 6, 2007 by TurboBanshee420 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboBanshee420 Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 ps.... your banshee is sweet! I wish I could ride some sand..... :ermm: I wouldn't have to clean shit all the time and do a frame up twice a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banshee 79 Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Alright so I bought these arms on e bay. They are ASR arms and im installing them now. I think im done for the night because its cold. Anyways... They are slighly used so im assuming the dude that had them before had the top and bottom adjustments close to good for his bike. You know how the top has the two heim ends that screw in and out and the bottom has one... Camber and Caster I believe, but I don't really know for sure. 1. Is they only way to check the tire tilt angle to install them all the way with shocks and bolt the tire up and see how strait up and down it is? That seems like a real PITA because I would have to dissasemble all kinds of stuff to readjust. Please let me know if that is what has to happen... 2. Are the correct arms installed on the correct side? I have no instructions 3. Is the upper arm bolted in right? It seems like these spacers are used to suck up the free space between the upper frame a arm mounts, correct? I ride a glamis and gordon's well so its all sand how should the tire be? Facing more in on the top or more out on the top or strait up and down like my stock arms were? If you know please try and answer all my questions so I can be safe on my 1st ride with these its kind of scary because they are used. I ride with some crazy inscane bastards and I need to be confident with the suspension. Maybe I should have bought new... to late. :ermm: Is it just me or are those upper arms on the wrong side, on mine the side with the bigger curve is facing the rear of the bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko2000 Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Hey whats up buddy.. I have the same setup. I actually havent ridden the bike with the new setup yet bc Im waiting for the motor and some other stuff.. But i do believe you have the uppers on the wrong side, If you were to try and mount a shock you would see that it hits the a-arm. I went through the same thing.. I believe its going to be a pain in the ass getting the front straight. to many adjustments.. here check it out, tell me what you think.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboBanshee420 Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 i wouldn't be so sure boyz... The bigger hoop in the front accounts for the upper arm being more forward on the frame. I believe he has the right arm on the right sides. He just needs to even out the adjustments on the hiems a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishwater Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 I am so confused, I have a set of ASR +2 arms that I also purchased used with no directions. I have mine installed with the hoop facing forward on the upper as well just like the first picture. I set the toe & rode it yesterday, the bike handles fine. So which is it, hoop forward or facing to the rear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishwater Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 I am so confused, I have a set of ASR +2 arms that I also purchased used with no directions. I have mine installed with the hoop facing forward on the upper as well just like the first picture. I set the toe & rode it yesterday, the bike handles fine. So which is it, hoop forward or facing to the rear? In all honesty now that I really look at Wacko2000's pictures I think he is right. The arms are supposed to provide +1 camber, his arms are facing more forward then mine meaning it "should" put the spindle further forward? Wish I had instructions now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilarious Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Alright so I bought these arms on e bay. They are ASR arms and im installing them now. I think im done for the night because its cold. Anyways... They are slighly used so im assuming the dude that had them before had the top and bottom adjustments close to good for his bike. You know how the top has the two heim ends that screw in and out and the bottom has one... Camber and Caster I believe, but I don't really know for sure. 1. Is they only way to check the tire tilt angle to install them all the way with shocks and bolt the tire up and see how strait up and down it is? That seems like a real PITA because I would have to dissasemble all kinds of stuff to readjust. Please let me know if that is what has to happen... 2. Are the correct arms installed on the correct side? I have no instructions 3. Is the upper arm bolted in right? It seems like these spacers are used to suck up the free space between the upper frame a arm mounts, correct? I ride a glamis and gordon's well so its all sand how should the tire be? Facing more in on the top or more out on the top or strait up and down like my stock arms were? If you know please try and answer all my questions so I can be safe on my 1st ride with these its kind of scary because they are used. I ride with some crazy inscane bastards and I need to be confident with the suspension. Maybe I should have bought new... to late. :ermm: It does look like you have the upper a-arms on the wrong sides. :shrug: I cant remember which is camber and caster but, the adjustment on the upper a-arms, What I did was screw the rear heim all the way into the a-arm and the front heim, screw it all the way in and back it out about 4 turns. What this is supposed to do is place the upper ball joint behind the lower ball joint. This will make it less squirlly at high speeds. :laugh: I have different a-arms than you but its the same concept. Edit: it looks like the ball joint on the upper a arm is facing up in the last pic. :shrug: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dgrey Posted October 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 It does look like you have the upper a-arms on the wrong sides. :shrug: I cant remember which is camber and caster but, the adjustment on the upper a-arms, What I did was screw the rear heim all the way into the a-arm and the front heim, screw it all the way in and back it out about 4 turns. What this is supposed to do is place the upper ball joint behind the lower ball joint. This will make it less squirlly at high speeds. :laugh: I have different a-arms than you but its the same concept. Edit: it looks like the ball joint on the upper a arm is facing up in the last pic. :shrug: LOL... no man that is just an allen screw the ball joint is not facing up. Thanks for the tip about the high speed stuff I will do that. I'll try to put the shock on in a little bit and seee if it mounts. To bad ARS is not opeon on weekends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishwater Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 I just got an e-mail response from ASR while I was swapping my arms around :mad: I had them installed correctly, they will not fit any other way. Here is a snip of the e-mail I got from them: Hi Carl! Give us a call on Monday if you like. The large hoop does go to the front or the shock will not fit. Caster needs to be about 4.5 degrees positive. (this means the top arm trails behind the lower. Camber is up to you but I like 3 degrees, You will need 1/8 inch of tow in per side. Call ua and we can tell you how to do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishwater Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 So to clarify, Dgrey yours are installed correctly as far as which arm is on which side. Now, I need to swap mine back around before I ride today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banshee 79 Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 (edited) I just got an e-mail response from ASR while I was swapping my arms around :mad: I had them installed correctly, they will not fit any other way. Here is a snip of the e-mail I got from them: Hi Carl! Give us a call on Monday if you like. The large hoop does go to the front or the shock will not fit. Caster needs to be about 4.5 degrees positive. (this means the top arm trails behind the lower. Camber is up to you but I like 3 degrees, You will need 1/8 inch of tow in per side. Call ua and we can tell you how to do it! Damn that's messed up, when I was installing mine I talked to ASR on the phone and he told me the side with the larger curve faces the rear of the bike. Now I don't know what the hell to do, I had my shit already on and adjusted, hope I don't have to rip it apart. Hey when you get your shocks on could you post a few pics., I want to see how much the shock clears the rear of the upper arm, Thanks Edited October 6, 2007 by Banshee 79 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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