bk_banshee Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 So here is a discussion topic about the spacers. Do they go between the cylinder and the reed block or between the reed block and the intake boots Keep it freindly but I've had an opion on this and would like some others insight to this topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WALLACE84 Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 I always put mine inbetween the cylinders and the intakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooker82 Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 I always put mine inbetween the cylinders and the intakes That is good general area to start in. :biggrin: Inbetween the Cylinders and the Reeds or inbetween the Reeds and the intake boots? If I ran them I would put them in between the Reeds and the Cylinders. That is how they are supose to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopczynski Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 typically what they are supposed to do is help intake velocity and emulsification. They would do this best between the cylinder and the reed cage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk_banshee Posted September 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Has anyone looked to see if the reed spacers, if installed between the Cylinder and the reedblock, cause your reeds to hit the inside wall of the intake on the cylinder preventing them from opening all the way? I ask this as I have seen 1/2 and 3/4 spacers being sold and have always wondered. 2 other interesting topics. I have seen a gain by adding some tubing between the air filter and carb much like a 250R intake boot. This is adding more velocity to the air on the intake ans creating less turbulant air around the carb. Could adding a more space between the carb and the reeds allow the fuel to atomize better and allow more fuel through the reeds? Now I know we are talking about slight differences which might not be measureable but it does have some good theory for thought and makes for a good discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredMW Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 I didn't know that the spacers did anything.(performance wise) I run mine between cyl and reeds for the purpose of getting the carb bowl off the clutch arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bansh-eman Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 I didn't know that the spacers did anything.(performance wise) I run mine between cyl and reeds for the purpose of getting the carb bowl off the clutch arm. that has always been an argument... pretty much everyone will say they are for simply moving the carbs away from the arm. others will say they add power by emulsification and intake velocity. and just today i heard the first claim that they have actually seen it on a dyno that they made a gain. i have not personally see any proff that they provided any more power at any range. doesnt mean it isnt possible. i just dought it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk_banshee Posted September 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 that has always been an argument... pretty much everyone will say they are for simply moving the carbs away from the arm. others will say they add power by emulsification and intake velocity. and just today i heard the first claim that they have actually seen it on a dyno that they made a gain. i have not personally see any proff that they provided any more power at any range. doesnt mean it isnt possible. i just dought it... It's always worth the discussion. Nothing like trying to make the day go by faster. What about the ide of the Tornado that runs in your cars intake? Why have throttl body spacers for cars? Why a High Rise manifold? Why scoops or Ram air intakes???? Measurable gains on a 350 Cubic In but what about CC's can any of these make a difference? If you take car knowledge and Ideas can you improve the performance on Quads.???? Do you gain anything on a cranker having the air filters in front with the Fuel flowing the opposite way your going? More Velocity? Greg This is directed at you just generalizations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooker82 Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Has anyone looked to see if the reed spacers, if installed between the Cylinder and the reedblock, cause your reeds to hit the inside wall of the intake on the cylinder preventing them from opening all the way? Your reeds dont opean that far especially if your running v force reeds. V force reeds use 4 reed pettals opeaing a smaller amount vs. the stock using 2 reed petals opeaing more. That is why v force reeds give better throttle responce. 2x as many lighter tension reed opeaning a smaller amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bansh-eman Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 its funny that you bring up all of those topics... they have been talked about here and there and argued back and forth so much. my .02 is that a motor is a motor. big or small what owrks on one will work on the other. i guess where alot of the argument comes from is that say the reed spacer thing actually add power in the form of .01 hp at 10k rpm... i wouldnt call thats a performance gain... by definition, yes its a gain becasue its more then you started with. i know that the tornado thing does not work on cars cause they did it on myth busters. the idea seems that it would work though. as far as the cranker i have no clue. it also seems like it would aid but just like the tornado it could be a myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk_banshee Posted September 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 My opinion on it all is as follows: I think it is a bunch of hoopla It might work but I think the atmospheric presure, Tempature, and surfaces have more influence on a motor then any of these things I have brought up. I'm sure in NASCAR research they have come to some conclusions and have had measurable gains, hell they change tire preasure by the PSI, but on a quad it ain't doing to do squat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk_banshee Posted September 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 I guess in the end any little gain can add up just like every little weight saveing can add up. Why waste the money and time just SPRAY NOS lol :beer: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 They clear the clutch arm, unless you have a Cub/Cheetah/twister...then you don't need them. Anyone that can show positive Dyno AND track time proof to state they will and can do otherwise, now is the time to pipe up. When I had spacers and V3's, I had to machine/dremel the four inside corners to the cage would actually fit between the reeds and the cylinder. You want the reeds and intakes as close as possible to the pistons.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bansh-eman Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 it kinda sucks casue theres two of these topics going right now... one here and one in the reapir section.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WALLACE84 Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 (edited) That is good general area to start in. :biggrin: Inbetween the Cylinders and the Reeds or inbetween the Reeds and the intake boots? If I ran them I would put them in between the Reeds and the Cylinders. That is how they are supose to go. Im an Idiot :laugh: I meant intbetween the cylinders and the reeds Edited September 7, 2007 by WALLACE84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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