bigblockbanshee Posted August 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Ya I don't know yet what kind of shocks/springs I'll go with but ya that includes those too. And dropping the front sprocket a tooth or 2 was exactly what I was gonna do. By the way, I agree, most any stock 4 stroke today would blast a stock banshee on the trails. Oh well, I guess it's the legend and the history of a Banshee that keeps me stuck on it too. The new stuff is just that, new. Sure the technology is way beyond that of a Banshee but it's more of a challenge to me to make my Banshee run like I want it to rather than buy something that already runs that great. See what I mean? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopczynski Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Its not very hard to make a torquey motor, I just think a lot of people on here have never ridden a banshee that makes a lot of low-mid power, so they dont know how fun it is to ride. So, they are all skeptics apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Its not very hard to make a torquey motor, I just think a lot of people on here have never ridden a banshee that makes a lot of low-mid power, so they dont know how fun it is to ride. So, they are all skeptics apparently. Riiight... It's not that you can't make them tourquey...sure you can. Then you dump money into suspension to get them to handle worth a shit.... I've ridden a ported (MX style) shaved head, +4 timing, stock carbed motofast 2 into 1 pipe. Torquey...yep. Fun to ride, sure... Pointless...IMO, yes.... I just think it's too much work personally to turn a Cheetah into a tortoise, maybe that's just me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
375hp banshees Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Riiight... It's not that you can't make them tourquey...sure you can. Then you dump money into suspension to get them to handle worth a shit.... I've ridden a ported (MX style) shaved head, +4 timing, stock carbed motofast 2 into 1 pipe. Torquey...yep. Fun to ride, sure... Pointless...IMO, yes.... I just think it's too much work personally to turn a Cheetah into a tortoise, maybe that's just me... Dave your not drinking at work are you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I'm down at the Grand Prix in Detroit, literally about 20 feet from the beer semi...yeah, semi. Let's just say temptation is a bad thing... (Notice I said rode, NOT owned...LOL) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Keith Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I'm down at the Grand Prix in Detroit, literally about 20 feet from the beer semi...yeah, semi.Let's just say temptation is a bad thing... (Notice I said rode, NOT owned...LOL) As usual, your comments are not to strong at all. You are right when you remind us that the Banshee is not designed to run like a four stroke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboybanshee Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I still think the best option is to trade the banshee for a used 4 stroke!!! I'm a die hard banshee fan but banshees aren't the best ALL-around quad. You trail ride, yeah, a banshee can be ridden on a trail but your main concern is torque, something 2 strokes don't produce a whole lot of.... You're also trying to make this a trail monster with buttloads of torque but don't want to fork out the coin for the stuff to do it. There's no way to truly make a banshee a "torque banshee" without spending a chunk of change in setting it up (portwork, carbs, pipes, high compression, etc, etc.) The only thing you could do to make it "feel" more torquey is to drop your gearing down to maybe a 13/41, maybe 12/41. That's the cheapest and easiest way to do it. You're not gaining anything, just making your gears shorter. If you don't have at least a grand to put in your banshee (after you've done the mods listed) then the gearing change is the only thing that will really give you any bang for your buck; changing your domes to 21cc will help out a little. Changing the reeds isn't gonna give you much of anything other than crisper throttle response, with the mods you currently have.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopczynski Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 well, out in the sand mines a runner. It wont beat a full on drag motor, but it stays even with my cousins 4mm stroker, and I think its gonna beat my buddies JSD ported 350 saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboybanshee Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I'll bet it does run well, you got porting, aftermarket carb setup, and high compression. This guy doesn't have the budget that you had...he's wanting to build a "torque banshee" for "pennies" and it just isn't gonna happen. Not trying to be rude, just honest. If you want to make a banshee have lots of torque, you gotta fork out the money to get whats needed. The only way to nickel and dime your way to more torque is by changing the gears...and it really isn't giving it more torque, it just makes it feel like it's pulling harder :shrug: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 well, out in the sand mines a runner. It wont beat a full on drag motor, but it stays even with my cousins 4mm stroker, and I think its gonna beat my buddies JSD ported 350 saturday. Snop...I'm not trying to be a smart ass at all when I say this...so bear with me. I saw a post where your banshee made I believe 49HP at the crank, on a land/sea crank dyno, is this number correct? Is this the same motor you're running in your own personal machine? If so... I can build a stock motor myself, port it myself...and have two for on everything (Pipes, carbs) and spank that bike all day long with 100% guarantee. And I'm talking in dunes and any kind of drag racing. If that is not your motor, then disregard my comments entirely please. If you would like me to elaborate on my statements, I'd be more than happy to. And I'm not trying to start a war, not trying to be a dick, just stating cold hard facts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopczynski Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Snop...I'm not trying to be a smart ass at all when I say this...so bear with me. I saw a post where your banshee made I believe 49HP at the crank, on a land/sea crank dyno, is this number correct? Is this the same motor you're running in your own personal machine? If so... I can build a stock motor myself, port it myself...and have two for on everything (Pipes, carbs) and spank that bike all day long with 100% guarantee. And I'm talking in dunes and any kind of drag racing. If that is not your motor, then disregard my comments entirely please. If you would like me to elaborate on my statements, I'd be more than happy to. And I'm not trying to start a war, not trying to be a dick, just stating cold hard facts... Nope it was not 49hp, and it was not on a crank dyno. It made 54hp on and rear wheel dyno jet. Some of the huge things that people disregard when testing on a dyno is run times and torque curves. My bike had a faster run time on the dyno, than any other stock cylinder ported Banshee he had ever run. So thats where these torque numbers play a huge role. The acceleration of my bike is awesome. Now, my best friends stock cylinder, ported, 4mm jsd stroker on the same dyno made 62hp, which makes sense, cause it will rip me a new one on the hill. The stroker had about a .2 second faster run time than me too, which is pretty considerable acceleration wise. I would assume on the crank dyno based on the other motors I have seen Dyno Dave run on it, my motor would probably be in the 63-66 hp range off the crank. A full port 350 with PC pipes on it made about 68hp. I think that 4mm jsd stroker would probably be around 75-78 hp on the crank dyno. All iin mind, I am trying some new needles this weekend, so I think I can pickup a litle more power down low, we will see though. Its been hard to get the needle dialed, cause there is nobody with my pipe, port, and intake setup that has ran a pwk 35mm carb before. So I had to try and guess my needle size, now I have been buying needles and trying them out, and I am probably 1 size away from where I need to be now. The difference between the dek needle and the eek needle I run now though was amazing. Turned the bike into a wheelie monster 1/2-7/8 throttle wise. I run a +6 swingarm on it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Ok...my point was gonna be a bone stock motor is roughly 40 to 42ish on a crank dyno...that's all... And I agree...people often take the torque curve for granted...HP is nothing without Torque... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigblockbanshee Posted September 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 (edited) Ok lets do this, say I've got 1000 to put into the motor alone. And lets also say that all I have right now is a bone stock motor, stock bore, stroke, carbs, reeds, except the cool head with 22cc domes, EVERYTHING else is stock. What areas do I need to spend the money on? And I know a grand isn't much to get to where I'm wanting to be but for starting out that's all I can hope for right now... Edited September 1, 2007 by bigblockbanshee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboybanshee Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Paul turner midrange pipes or a 2 into 1 pipe lightened flywheel Adjustable Timing plate New domes for cool head Boyeson 2 stage reeds 2 into 1 carb K&N air filter That should be roughly a thousand bucks and make a great trail bike with a good amount of useable power. :beer: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopczynski Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 (edited) Ok lets do this, say I've got 1000 to put into the motor alone. And lets also say that all I have right now is a bone stock motor, stock bore, stroke, carbs, reeds, except the cool head with 22cc domes, EVERYTHING else is stock. What areas do I need to spend the money on? And I know a grand isn't much to get to where I'm wanting to be but for starting out that's all I can hope for right now... New domes, port job, wiseco pistons, adj timing plate, at least clutch springs, pipe, carb, intake if you do the 2 into 1. Lightened flywheel also. Carbon tech low-mid reeds also. Just go off the list I posted earlier and do what you can. Edited September 1, 2007 by Snopczynski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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