CenCalBanshee Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Im looking for a gusset kit for my frame, I am capable of fabercating my own but I dont have the time at work do this, If anyone knows of a gusset kit please give me some leads. I tried bare performance but they said they dont offer a kit. If I cant find a kit post some pics if you can I am not a structural engineer so I need to know where some of the weaker parts of the frame are. I know the steering tower is a big weak point but after that Im not sure. ANy help would be great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallrat Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Dunno of any kits but you should reinforce: Steering stem stop downtubes that connect to the base rails by where the front engine mounts are subframe where it mounts to the main frame While ur at it you can cut off: stock headlight mounts if you run handlebar mounted lights front brake tube mounts if you run aftermarket stainless lines front plastic mounts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSSA Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 S&W Race Cars are where we pick up all of our gussets for chassis/cages. http://www.swracecars.com/ I don't know if they list them in the catalog, but if you call them they have them in all shapes/sizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireHead Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 There is a guy on here that had a source for a Banshee kit. I think it was Liftd4r or something like that. Do a search in this forum. :thumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwrracing Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 try lonestar i am sure they have one for a banshee i ran all there kits on my mx bikes ltz,trx450,ltr450 they are nice man top knotch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboBanshee420 Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 As a avid welder I can tell you that you shouldn't weld a frame that hasn't already broken. welding carbon steel takes all the carbon away from the metal making it VERY brittle. You will have a better chance of actually weakening it further by adding such a mod. Unless you are a master welder and can TIG weld your ass off. google it if you need proof of this.... Why do you want to add a gusset kit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgetthisdone Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 As a avid welder I can tell you that you shouldn't weld a frame that hasn't already broken. welding carbon steel takes all the carbon away from the metal making it VERY brittle. You will have a better chance of actually weakening it further by adding such a mod. Unless you are a master welder and can TIG weld your ass off. google it if you need proof of this.... Why do you want to add a gusset kit? he wants on cuz banshee frames bend easily. rear shock mount tube bows up, steering hoop is easily tweaked. subframe is made of butter. and the steering stop will bend to the point where it will jam the steering at full lock. and the front clip is just weak. i have had not further problems with my frame after replacing a few tubes and gussetting the shit out of it. I rolled it at dumont and out in the desert since i gussetted it. nO new broken tubes and the subframe and steering hoop are still straight. And if carbon steel is weakened by welding, wouldn't the frame already be weak since it is welded together? and i would bet a billion dollars yamahe didn't TIG weld these frames, so they are already weak by going off what you are sayin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboBanshee420 Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 banshee frames are MIG (wire feed... which is the only difference between a TIG and a MIG) welded by a computer. and if you do it just right and don't heat it up too much to rise the carbon to the surface then it won't be weak. Like I siad unless your a "master welder". If you've ever welded and looked at the weld when your done and it looks like a graphite color... then it got too hot, and pulled the carbon out. making "carbide" on the surface..... just google it if your in doubt, because I don't feel like giving any free welding/metalurgy lessons on here to those of you who love to knock people for knowing a thing or 2 about something.... no offence letsgetthisdone I'm not saying your wrong. I've never seen the need for a gusset kit, because I don't have anywhere I can fly the banshee 150ft. But if you say those things happen to the frame, then they must. I suppose that's the reason for aftermarket 4130 cro-mo frames huh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgetthisdone Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 banshee frames are MIG (wire feed... which is the only difference between a TIG and a MIG) welded by a computer. and if you do it just right and don't heat it up too much to rise the carbon to the surface then it won't be weak. Like I siad unless your a "master welder". If you've ever welded and looked at the weld when your done and it looks like a graphite color... then it got too hot, and pulled the carbon out. making "carbide" on the surface..... just google it if your in doubt, because I don't feel like giving any free welding/metalurgy lessons on here to those of you who love to knock people for knowing a thing or 2 about something.... no offence letsgetthisdone I'm not saying your wrong. I've never seen the need for a gusset kit, because I don't have anywhere I can fly the banshee 150ft. But if you say those things happen to the frame, then they must. I suppose that's the reason for aftermarket 4130 cro-mo frames huh.... i don't jump my banshee that big, i just abuse the living shit out. i don't slow down for stuff that most people would. And i know the difference between mig and tig. All the welds i did on my frame had a shiny grayish color to them, and i think raw carbide is dull :shrug: .Which is what the welds on my buddys i-beams look like that he got from camburg. So i think i did somethin right... I'm coming from the point of view that a stock banshee frame is pretty crappy. So the strength that a few well positioned gussets will add pretty much negates the lack of carbon. And i think you have it backwards, carbon makes steel brittle. Look at a diamond, it is 100% compressed carbon, hardest shit known (i think), but throw a big chunk on the ground hard and it shatters. I would think that that make the steel more maleable(sp) when there is less carbon in it, would it not. and no offense taken, i see this as friendly debate, no need to waste your time typing that kinda stuff......lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireHead Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 As a avid welder I can tell you that you shouldn't weld a frame that hasn't already broken. welding carbon steel takes all the carbon away from the metal making it VERY brittle. You will have a better chance of actually weakening it further by adding such a mod. Unless you are a master welder and can TIG weld your ass off. google it if you need proof of this.... Well said. I agree. :thumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenCalBanshee Posted July 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Thanks for all the replies, Im just going to gusset the weak points that I can see Ill call lonestar on monday other wise ill make them all myself. I consider myself a pretty good welder, we do fabrication every day at my shop so between myself and my buddy I think we can handle this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwrracing Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 well i will say this i have been racing mx my whole life at national leval 4 yrs and i have guesetted all my 4 stroke frames trx450 ltz,ltr450 and i am no master welder just pretty good. I have never ever had a frame break after i did it!!!!! i have hit 75 80ft doubles cased them wrecked soooo many times never ever had a frame break were i put gusetts !!!! sorry my spelling sucks its late and i am tired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSSA Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 All the welds i did on my frame had a shiny grayish color to them, and i think raw carbide is dull :shrug: .Which is what the welds on my buddys i-beams look like that he got from camburg. So i think i did somethin right... You're fine. These frames are mild steel, which actually (in disagreeance with this post) lends itself quite readily to welding without issues. High Carbon steels are the ones that must be welded specifically, and then typically re-heat treated so that they're not made brittle. If these frames were chromium-molybdenum steel (Chromoly), you'd have to be more careful. We do tons of SFI drag cages--the chromoly ones are the ones that take special treatment--mild steel ones are easy as pie. Weld away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayzx10r Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 You're fine. These frames are mild steel, which actually (in disagreeance with this post) lends itself quite readily to welding without issues. High Carbon steels are the ones that must be welded specifically, and then typically re-heat treated so that they're not made brittle. If these frames were chromium-molybdenum steel (Chromoly), you'd have to be more careful. We do tons of SFI drag cages--the chromoly ones are the ones that take special treatment--mild steel ones are easy as pie. Weld away. True :thumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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