extreem9 Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 So what do you guys think, A buddy of mine said his buddy has this stock Bombadier 800 4x4 automatic that he said kicked the shit out of his DS650, The kid also says that he can walk on 450's too. So I bet this dude 100 bucks that my Banshee will beat him in a drag at Sand lake on the beach. I have a 2001 Cascade Inovations Banshee with a 4" swinger 9 paddle extremes a port and polish, 2 into 1 carb, cool head with 18cc domes, I run 114 octane, T-5's and cascade silencers. I also can walk on any 450 that I have raced. What do you all think will I be getttin a $100 bucks or should I stop by the bank on the way out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmanzz13 Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 if it's stock i would think you could take it but them new bombardiers are quick, i have a ds650 and thing hauls ass four a 4 stroke, but my banshee will walk around it, i haven't tried my mild shee out on the new 800's but i know where i go mudding, there are a couple of guys who got those, i should try and run one the next time i go out, good luck, bombardier is really doing there homework on all of their new quads, the ds 450 they are realesing is supposed to be very competive in the MX scene so i wouldn't be surprised if you have a good race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
375hp banshees Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 you better hook up they have A hellofa holeshot in 4x4!! you should be ok though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swrbansheeboy Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 So what do you guys think, A buddy of mine said his buddy has this stock Bombadier 800 4x4 automatic that he said kicked the shit out of his DS650, The kid also says that he can walk on 450's too. So I bet this dude 100 bucks that my Banshee will beat him in a drag at Sand lake on the beach. I have a 2001 Cascade Inovations Banshee with a 4" swinger 9 paddle extremes a port and polish, 2 into 1 carb, cool head with 18cc domes, I run 114 octane, T-5's and cascade silencers. I also can walk on any 450 that I have raced. What do you all think will I be getttin a $100 bucks or should I stop by the bank on the way out there? mike and chris do great work so i'm sure your bike will run fine, i also think that your pissing away your money running straight 114 fuel. you shouldnt need that much octain with your set up. if i were you i wouldnt sweat the bet but i'd still stop by the atm and get a crisp benjy in your pocket. just cause your bikes capable doesnt mean you wont miss a shift or wheelie out of the hole and have to let off the gas while he walks on you. nobody like's a shit talker who cant pay up when he gets beat regardless if it's a fluke or not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 You should beat it. It's a damn fast 4X4, don't get me wrong, but with a ported banshee in a drag race, especially against a big heavy lug in sand, you should win. I would be sure to race best 2 out of 3...hate to see you lose a benjamin cause you almost looped it out or missed a shift. But, if you do that twice...it's on you... I don't know the elevation of Seattle, but if you are anywhere near sea level with 18cc domes, keep the 114 octane race fuel... Do you know off hand what your compression is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSSA Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 I don't know the elevation of Seattle, but if you are anywhere near sea level with 18cc domes, keep the 114 octane race fuel... Do you know off hand what your compression is? I'd want to know the compression as well before saying "yay" or "nay" on the 114. Even if it were in the 190s, I'd be surprised if it needed anything over 105-108 unless you're really jacking the timing. Anyone know off of the top of their heads what stock quench is on these motors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawiking Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 u should beat it.... my buddy has a praire 700-with a fundy 730 kit,ported -carbs everything.... he's about 300lbs but i walk all over him..eben my other friend that weights the same as me will ride his and i still walk all over it... he doesnt get a good bite in the sand even tacky sand,on dirt that4*4 will grab the hole shot... just dont get cocky... i run vp's c-12 gas in mine... 108 octain i think.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extreem9 Posted July 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Ya I'm thinking the same as all of you he should get a good launch with that 4x4 but he has no paddles so we'll see! I will be sure to let you all know the out come, I may just take my video cam so you all can see it with your own eyes but I hate luggin that f'er around so we'll see. And as far as my compression, I am runnin about 165, 170 range and Im at 800 ft, but I will be runnin at sea level down in oregon at sand lake. Do you think I am runnin to high of octane? Would a little lower octane help? Im not sure of the timing it has an adjustable timing plate, but no degree markers. I figured Cascade probably set it up with a timming light when they built it, but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jhughes7 Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Yeh your probably abit overkill on your octane, I am at sea level here in oregon with 170psi, I run 4gallons of 110 to 1 Gallon of 92 and I could get away with a 50/50 mix most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extreem9 Posted July 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Is it hurting any thing but runnin that 114 or am I losing any power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jhughes7 Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Hurting your wallet thats for sure They say you need to be as close to the octane ratio without detonating for best power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
375hp banshees Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Hurting your wallet thats for sure They say you need to be as close to the octane ratio without detonating for best power. yep, but if your unsure its good ins. just work your way down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swrbansheeboy Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 the way the octain thing is supposed to work is that the higher the octain rating the more resistant to detonation the fuel is. aka the harder it is to ignite, if your running to low of octain fuel in an engine that has either high compression which will compress the fuel more adding excess heat (like a diesel engine)making the fuel ignite prematurely or advanced timing which will cause the plugs to spark sooner that they normaly would causing the fuel to ignite sooner than you would like it to. both conditions will cause detonation or the act of your fuel burning before the optimum time it should. the answer is to run a fuel that is harder to ignite or that is not as flamable slowing down the initial ignition so the full burn will come on later to correct for these issues. when you use a lower octain fuel the higher compression will basicly pre heat the fuel making it easier to ignite which is why you need to run a higher octain fuel to compensate.. the downside to using higher octain fuels in engines that dont require there use is that since they are deigned to be harder to ignite your basicly retarding your timing. your not retarding your timing in the sense that if you do a +4 advance then use sub-octain fuel your back to 0 but rather that your slowing the burn on your fuel so it is firing later than it should with the correct octain fuel. if your bike was built to run on 100 octain fuel for optimum burn at whatever after tdc its set to fire then your causing your fuel to light after the fact if your running 110. think of it this way, it's a known fact that running low octain fuel in a banshee can cause detonation, how do you cure the problem? more octain to slow the burn. so why wouldnt it work the opposite way... imo yes you can hurt your preformance running too much octain but i still havent found the magic system that says " with this compression and this timing you should be running this octain fuel" it's pretty much as stated before, trial and error. the cheeper you get the more you start experimenting with lower octain mixes. i personaly use a 50/50 mix of 110 and 92 which in theory puts me at 101 but more like 99-100 in actuality. bike has +4 timing and 160 compression and runs great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimbAnyHill Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 You're taking the win & just to make it even better, race it on the shoreline so you can rip out the holeshot :thumbsup: Are side bets allowed :biggrin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extreem9 Posted July 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 I think he's dead in the water, we'll see if he even shows up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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