cam2 Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 sounds like you regret it wanta trade :biggrin: jk got it all done yet? hahaha.........no i don't want to trade, although i probably should. as you know, one is never done. damn, how time flies, and how busy one gets. i apologize for not trying to hook up with you after i got my engine put together as i said i would. i owe you a few beers when the time comes that we are able to hook up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMAC Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 What about a cheeta with the power valve? Are they pretty much the same in the power dilivery or are they smother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Smoother, due to the power valve, but now you're talking even bigger coin for a Cheetah due to needing a new/special head, different reeds, etc. Plus, it'll still have a drag race style hit, just not as severe as a Cub. Cub or Cheetah, they belong in the dunes or the drag strip.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicktoney Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 aw man, i wish my bike was together... supposedly gonna be one hell of a fun trail bike... trinitys, 33mm pwks, billet intakes, +4stroker longrod, f.a.s.t.s dune/play port.. noss head blah blah... should be a blast... i wish i had it all back to put together and give you first hand how it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdust Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 What about a cheeta with the power valve? Are they pretty much the same in the power dilivery or are they smother? im only saying this from my dragracing experience in cars not quads but. if u dont even know what a cheeta or a cub motor is dont buy one. i know guys who go out and buy these big ass motors for there car and hook them up with dads money then they race it and hurt them self. so i say go hook up ur stock motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odaen Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Haven't ridden a banshee on trails for a long long time, but rarely did I think to myself, man if I only had more peak horsepower. Most of the time, it was wishing I had some aftermarket shocks, different tires, etc to make the handling better.....and quite often better throttle response. But, that was tight wooded trails where sometimes, your tires rubbed as you went between 2 trees on the trail. There are definitely things you can do to a cub to make it develop torque typical to that of a trail or mx bike, but it definitely isn't the application it was designed for. Unless you are a serious duner that spends 90% of the time drag racing, or just a full time drag racer, a cub or cheetah is probably just way overkill and a display that you make too much money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRed350x Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Agreed, yes, there are things you can do to a cub to make them run more like what you are looking for, but that kind of defeats the purpose of getting the cylinders in the first place. For the money you would spend "fixing" them to run more bottom end and midrange, you could have had your stock cylinders ported more for what you are looking for, and probably cheaper. My first cub setup I ever did I tried to de-tune them after I ran them the first time, to make them better for just general dune riding. I had a set of K&T ported stock stroke cubs, 65mm bore. I was running them with a 4mm crank, had them decked, and made up for the deck height with some cut domes. Yes, it moved the powerband significantly lower in the RPM range, but it was still a violent hit and would spin the tires like a mofo every time it would hit. It got even more retarded on dirt. I never hooked up until 4th gear, sometimes 5th. That was with a set of cubs that were de-tuned, with 33PWK and T5 pipes. After that I gave up and figured I would just learn how to ride it in the dunes with a normal cub setup. I got another set of cub cylinders, this time set up for the 4mm crank, had K&T port them again, got some 35 PWK's and some CPI in-frame pipes. Ran MUCH better, but again, the powerband was all top end and it would hit like hell all at once. Yes, I got used to it and actually got pretty damn good at riding it out in the dunes and loved it. But it took some time getting used to how the power would hit, and it made an awesome drag racer out on the dunes with friends. My 4mil cub was a bit slower than most, due to the weight of my bike. I had a swingarm that was WAY beefier than anything I would ever need and had a fully gusseted frame. I wasn't looking to save weight, I wanted a good ride, and having the heavier bike and aftermarket suspension definitely made the package. To the point: just get some stock cylinders ported for low end power and you will be a LOT happier and have more money in the bank in the end. - Jared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animalman294 Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 The cubs were designed to go very fast, not trail ride unless they are riden in the dunes where you have lots of room to move around............... Bigred knows from experience about the different set-ups, and mine is set up like his last one. I don't trail ride though, and most of my riding is in the dunes or down at the river............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRed350x Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 The cubs were designed to go very fast, not trail ride unless they are riden in the dunes where you have lots of room to move around............... Bigred knows from experience about the different set-ups, and mine is set up like his last one. I don't trail ride though, and most of my riding is in the dunes or down at the river............ I've tried just about every setup out there, short of the big huge drag race setups. I had (and still have) a set of gorr ported woods cylinders. If he were still around I would tell you to go get that port job, because I have never had and kinda doubt I will ever find another port job that made the power those cylinders did down low. I've had decked stock cylinders, ported stock cylinders with dune ports, woods ports, cleanup ports, 4mm setups with quite a few different cylinder setups. The cylinders that came on the red banshee I just got aren't too bad of a setup. They have some kind of a dune / midrange port for the 4mm crank that's in that particular shee and it runs pretty hard. I'm going to stick a cub on there though. LOL! I don't think I will ever go back to stock cylinders. I plan on putting a cub on my 06 banshee as well. The cubs are probably the last thing I would try for a trail bike. Yes, it can be done, but like I said before... its a whole lot of the wrong kind of power for trail riding. Maybe if you have the super-dooper clutch skillz and can somehow ride it like a trials bike, maybe... but probably not. :shoothead: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireman-hott Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Without trying to start a Loco and me arguement over this EXACT topic, yes they can be trail ridden. You must be able to comprehend EVERY aspect of how the power goes from your head/pistons through eveything than to your tires. If you are willing to understand it and learn you can make a cub run the trails like nobodys' business. And to top it off I was running a -2 swinger go figure. I regularly outran 450's and these are tight trails, weaving in and out of little sapplings with almost no visible trail, pretty much winging it at his enough speeds. Oh and if you have 2 car width straight trails in the UP like the snowmobile trails and you cant manuevar a cub in those wide ass trails than stick to drag racing and duning until you can handle the beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bansh-eman Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 so like said you can spend the money to defeat the purpose of the drag ported cylinders to ride on a trail or you can have your stockers ported and use the remainig money else where that you would be spending to de-tune the cub... makes no sense, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassbanshee479 Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 you wanna go faster, buy some suspension up grades and tune that all in. you would be surprised at how a set of 2+1 a arms and a set of ressey shocks will completely change how your bike handles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireman-hott Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 so like said you can spend the money to defeat the purpose of the drag ported cylinders to ride on a trail or you can have your stockers ported and use the remainig money else where that you would be spending to de-tune the cub... makes no sense, Yes, but at the same time you can have a different set of pipes, gears, and tires to where you can swap from trail riding to duning/draging in 15minutes...Like I could. Wish I still had that thing too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Oh and if you have 2 car width straight trails in the UP like the snowmobile trails and you cant manuevar a cub in those wide ass trails than stick to drag racing and duning until you can handle the beast. I'm not saying I can't handle it, but if it goes from that wide to a bike width in a matter of a few hundred yards....yeah, not a good idea. Maybe you should go back to welding pipes, making excuses and half ass running a business...they seem to be your forte better than telling people cubs are trail friendly. Dave Moore's new drag chassis has a tighter turning radius than a stock banshee frame. I guess in your opinion that means it's more trail friendly too, right?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorooster Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 :yelrotflmao: OMG this is too funny! LOL! Maybe you should go back to welding pipes, making excuses and half ass running a business...they seem to be your forte better than telling people cubs are trail friendly. Dave Moore's new drag chassis has a tighter turning radius than a stock banshee frame. I guess in your opinion that means it's more trail friendly too, right?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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