nicktoney Posted October 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 well he posts on here, and i dont really know if i wanna mention his name... but wouldnt 87 ping and predetonate? REGUARDLESS of mixture or jetting? 87 detonates with lower compression... higher octane takes more compression to detonate if i remember right... and the stock compression would require higher octane to prevent plugs from frying and pistons from getting burnt... am i wrong here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
differentstrokes Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Throw his name out there, I'd probably get a good kick out of reading all of his old posts. :shoothead: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 well he posts on here, and i dont really know if i wanna mention his name... but wouldnt 87 ping and predetonate? REGUARDLESS of mixture or jetting? 87 detonates with lower compression... higher octane takes more compression to detonate if i remember right... and the stock compression would require higher octane to prevent plugs from frying and pistons from getting burnt... am i wrong here? Mostly right....the strap on the plug might burn if it's pinging that bad...but, normally it just pokes a nice hole in the top of your piston...which, ruins it's future life as an ash tray...lol.. If you have a stock timing and compression bike, you cold run 87 if it's jetted spot on, etc. I know the manual calls for 91 octane...but, it's been done. However...unless your bike was bone stock, you were in the middle of nowhere and ran out of gas and 87 was the ONLY choice to limp back to camp, why on earth you wouldn't buy 91 or 93 ocatane for 40 cents more for 5 gallons is beyond me.... Throw his name out there, I'd probably get a good kick out of reading all of his old posts. :shoothead: I'd let that dog lie...to be honest. No need to further embarrass a member... Plust there is always two sides to every story.... Not doubting Nicktoney at all, but...there could've been some communication lines crossed or misunderstood. If what he said is word for word as above, and we're not missing anything..yeah, I'd steer clear of his advice to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicktoney Posted October 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Mostly right....the strap on the plug might burn if it's pinging that bad...but, normally it just pokes a nice hole in the top of your piston...which, ruins it's future life as an ash tray...lol.. If you have a stock timing and compression bike, you cold run 87 if it's jetted spot on, etc. I know the manual calls for 91 octane...but, it's been done. However...unless your bike was bone stock, you were in the middle of nowhere and ran out of gas and 87 was the ONLY choice to limp back to camp, why on earth you wouldn't buy 91 or 93 ocatane for 40 cents more for 5 gallons is beyond me.... I'd let that dog lie...to be honest. No need to further embarrass a member... Plust there is always two sides to every story.... Not doubting Nicktoney at all, but...there could've been some communication lines crossed or misunderstood. If what he said is word for word as above, and we're not missing anything..yeah, I'd steer clear of his advice to say the least. no doubt word for word... he even told me to borrow his "expensive trinity flywheel" ...and id hate it... hmmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5150banshee Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 sounds like a very stupid guy,although i would run a higher octane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Yeah, I'd hate paying for that overpriced, expensive Trinity flywheel, that I'm sure of. Once I get ready to tear mine down for the winter project, I'm going to have rocketboy, (Denny) lighten my flywheel....I have a 6 month old flywheel from Vito's (Ricky Stator) that I've been dying to cut.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicktoney Posted October 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 yeh for real... why would you drop 300 for a lightned flywheel when boonman or denny can just cut them down for like 40$ .......dropping serious cash for the brand name is beyond me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOYBOX Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 (edited) Well, its time for the flip side! Ironic, I told him to go to the sight! To get opinons on how a lightened flywheel would hold up to sustained rpms, not a burst up a hill or done a 600 ft straight. I'll give you the specs, I'm running .40 over, mx port, Graydon single, 35 pwk, matched cases, V-3's, stock milled head, set up to trail and climb. I run lower compression to run higher rpms, the" ting " is from spot on jetting, Nick, well he needs to seal off the pipe leaks and get some clamps, it will sound better. I'm running amsoil, dominator. I have 3 R's, a Tecate, 2 banshees, and a Zilla, I love the 2 strokes! Nicks right on some stuff the rest , well... for there I ride, and the guys I ride with, some have enduro bikes, we run high mph and for long distances, thus no lightened flywheel on the trail bike, drag bike , YES. I hav e high gearing but still can launch hard in second on hard pack, if i ran a 13 and did that , well I'd have to buy a new grad bar! Because of the setup, it runs more like a RZ road bke than a quad, then I'm running I can be off band and still run high rpms. Nicks bike runs good for what it is, this is where it gets interesting!! He told me he was running, benoil, not techiplate, I told him I run amsoil and never had an oil problem, oil is your choice, I've been riding and wrenching for alot of years, I build sleds for guys who are going to travel to ride and the last thing you need is a engine failure 300 miles from home on your sled! One minute he wants to trail ride and next he wants a dragster. I have a 409 for drags, it is like anything else, the 409 isn't the fastest bke at the drags but I don't have the time to ride like I want to, and the bikes are getting serious at the drags, cubs, 17 mils, Kurtz motors, R1's, CBR's and so forth. One thing we both agree on , he got beat, but banshee riders are alone breed. I go to poker runs and get asked, why don't you get a 450? I hope is Banshee gets faster! The more the merry, I get tired of smoking 450's, its nice to ride with guys with fast bikes. Nick has a good head, I told him I had a temp guage on my hill bke and I tried different heads, some ran hotter than a milled stock. I also told him that a ported bike no matter who does it, with a stock stroke, isn't going to be the fastest thing at the drags. I told him be careful running high compression, high timing and low gearing, especially then you want to fly around on roads! As far as F.A.S.T., I've seen the posts argueing about alot of builders, which one is tops, I told him to read up as much as you can, but you have to know what you want first! We switched bikes, that was left out, my bike is jetted for my weight,230, Nick is 80lbs less, when we switched bikes in a grassy field me pulled me big time! My bike was spinning with him on it, his was hooked with me on it!! As for the time on the roll? I backed off more than once when he hit neutral, he starts in first, I got him on to the second gear start never heard of that. If my bike sounds like hell, wait until my buddy fires up his Kurtz, superior sleeve bike, I think with the drag pipes it sounds like its ready to blow!! I'm letting him borrow my 15 tooth front ,37 rear and lightened flywheel, I'll run his gearing and see what happens in 500ft, again! I think someone will be asking which clutch is the best, I just smoked mine! Thanks guys! Edited October 24, 2006 by TOYBOX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 me "im thinking of getting a lightened flywheel and getting a mx port.." him " dont do that. if you get that lightened, its only for drag racing. ive saw people have their flywheels spider out and explode because they were lightened." me "oh." him "yeh, and i smelled the oil youre running... you running premium? that benoil in there is gonna blow your motor because in the high revs, its starving it of lubrication... you need to run amsoil... itll bog more, but last forever." me " ......" him " oh and that head you have, with that high compression, you need race gas. and id get rid of that head because it doesnt cool. it actually gets your bike hotter on a hot day. go back to stock and mill it. im running 87octane with mine." me " oh yeh? " ....im getting really annoyed now. him " yeh. lets race down the road... we race.. i cant launch for shit and he dusts me on the launch because he drags his bike... he toasts me but i started catching up but because hes got taller gears (15th front on 20" tires") he pulls a tiny bit on top... he said "see, your revs are too fast and you cant get it. Benoil or techniplate...no matter. Guys that run alky run 927 or benoil and run it at 18:1 to 24:1....so, IF that is what you said, Toybox...about not getting enough oil at high RPMs....I think the drag alky crowd would disagree. My personal opinion of amsoil is it is junk. That's my opinion, and I'm entitled to it. I ran it in my gearbox and my motor.... I was told oh, gear oil will make your shee shift oh so much better. BS. It'll burn in your engine so much cleaner...BS. I'm curious to know....what your compression is and what octane you run? In your own words... And....Jeff's FAST clutch is the best I've used yet. I abused it all last year, and after 15 to 20 dyno runs and well over 100 300ft passes at the sand drag on my cub motor, it's still holding up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicktoney Posted October 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 i was waiting for him to come "clear everything up" ...... yeh.... alright... i was told to "get rid of my head for a stocker" .... and id hate a lightened flywheel yeh yeh... i get it... seems when i actaully try and see if what i was told was right and if i need to change what im thinking, everyone tells me i was right.... its not that i was running you into the ground, i just wanted to know if i had the wrong information and you were "setting me straight" orrrrr if i was just hearing the line of shit i thought i was... dave set me straight, and i wont listen to any "you dont want that, you want something else." shit. go ahead. correct me if im "wrong" and "dont know what i want" and the ironic side is.... ive been on the site for quite some time.... you told me to come here and everyone else would say the same thing... hm.. everyone disagreed. weeeeeeird. :shoothead: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicktoney Posted October 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 BY THE WAY. i told you i wanted a trail bike... a fast trail bike. never said i wanted a drag bike. we'll see. :beer: and i said its half synthetic and you said it doesnt matter????? its actually 20% benoil, 80% synthetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 I honestly think Jeff is gonna build you a great trail bike that will do suprisingly well in a drag race as well...and it'll make you happy all around! If you're stuck on trails, your next investment should be tires and suspension though... All the power in the world doesn't do you any good without getting it to the ground. Good a arms, aftermarket front shocks, revalved/resprung rear shock and grippy tires will really make a big difference, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOYBOX Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 BY THE WAY. i told you i wanted a trail bike... a fast trail bike. never said i wanted a drag bike. we'll see. :beer: and i said its half synthetic and you said it doesnt matter????? its actually 20% benoil, 80% synthetic. "Everyone"..thats funny, :thumbsup: the first post indicated the same thing I said about the lightened flywheel. I told you try it, if it works great. As for the oil, that is great for the alky crowd, amsoil doesn't have an oil for it. I run Klotz Flexdrive in my gear case, did not have luck with the ams! For the clutch, that was a joke, because the bike is not going to be able to pull that gearing, with the current mods! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicktoney Posted October 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 current mods arent current for long. and it pulled my old gearing just fine, i just wanted a lot more hit in the woods so i went down teeth? and donnie, like i said, this isnt to run you into the ground, im just figuring out whats truth opposed to whats not.... being you are an amsoil dealer and probably wont say any other oil competes... and like so with everything else... im just double checkign because most of what you told me was the opposite of everything i have ever learned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOYBOX Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 current mods arent current for long. and it pulled my old gearing just fine, i just wanted a lot more hit in the woods so i went down teeth? and donnie, like i said, this isnt to run you into the ground, im just figuring out whats truth opposed to whats not.... being you are an amsoil dealer and probably wont say any other oil competes... and like so with everything else... im just double checkign because most of what you told me was the opposite of everything i have ever learned I'm still lost on the opposite thing?? I meant, you need more power to pull higher gearing, and alot of power to pull it well. Your bike is a great trail bike. Not everyone has the same opinions, example 2 into 1. To me what works is something that goes fast but is dependable. A bunch of us are riding this weekend, your welcome to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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