csrmel Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 you dont actually need a computer. they have standalone wideband readers out now for a couple hundred. daogejr, you said you wanted to see one for a couple hundred and you would purchase one. this one is made by NGK so you gotta figure its a pretty good unit. get youre cc out. its $249 http://www.jscspeed.com/index.html?/univ/e...ics/ngk_afx.htm ill be interested to hear youre results once you have it up and running. imo, standalone is alot more compatible with something like a banshee or streetbike so you dont have to lug around a laptop. as for me ill stick to plug reading. wideband would be nice but im not a racer. i can afford to lose a bit of power by running a little rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Interesting....indeed. Ya know...I'm pretty sure my tried and true old school method will be just fine for years and years to come. However...there you go OJ. No need to strap down and risk damage to that expensive laptop...all self contained right here for ya.... Now...My buddy with a 4 stroke Honda might be interested in this.... Here ya go, I'm gonna say it....Those things just about have to be tuned in by AF because of the carb design...they have an accelerator pump which almost makes a plug chop impossible to read. However....before you go doing your victory dance...oj....reread this whole thread very, very carefully. Yes, I've said ATV tuning is better done with plugs...but later did specify 2 stroke ATVs...and since this is BANSHEE HQ...well, 'nuff said!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ojcool Posted October 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Interesting....indeed. Ya know...I'm pretty sure my tried and true old school method will be just fine for years and years to come. However...there you go OJ. No need to strap down and risk damage to that expensive laptop...all self contained right here for ya.... Now...My buddy with a 4 stroke Honda might be interested in this.... Here ya go, I'm gonna say it....Those things just about have to be tuned in by AF because of the carb design...they have an accelerator pump which almost makes a plug chop impossible to read. However....before you go doing your victory dance...oj....reread this whole thread very, very carefully. Yes, I've said ATV tuning is better done with plugs...but later did specify 2 stroke ATVs...and since this is BANSHEE HQ...well, 'nuff said!! Victory dance? That statment only exposes the fact that this is a competition for you.. I don't get it, you spend all day all this forum trying to give everyone advice... Lets take a look at some of your All Star Posts from this thread... I've said it time and time again, a dyno and A/F tuning is a great idea to get you close on your jetting. However...I've also said, experience, a good ear and learning to read plugs is the final solution.... Final Solution huh, nothing else could possibly be better.. You sould like the guy who argues that cassette tapes sound better than CD's because they are analog. We fear change In a two stroke, the mixture travels into the crank case and up through the transfers. While a four stroke, the mixutre never enters the crank case (unless your rings are really...REALLY bad)... So, that's where the extra volume comes into play would be my guess, nothing about the cylinder holding more volume....the crankcase is part of the overall volume. I don't even know where to begin with this statment... So are you acutally implying that the volume of the crankcase is part of the combustion chamber? While there is fuel bouncing back and forth in the chamber, the standards for tuning via EGT are just that. 4 to 6 inched on the pipe from the piston. Like anything, most builders have a temp range they like to run in for gas, and a different for alky...but, that is how it's done. So here we say that EGT is the way to tune, but then we backpedal from that statement and say EGT was never mentioned. Also....just like a dyno A/F meter and as I've said before. This is a good way to help tune the engine, but should not be replaced for reading plugs and piston crown burn patters....So once again we think guess tuning is better than exact tuning. even if you get it dead set on a dyno or a/f meter, you still gotta read the plugs from riding at your actual temp, elevation and locale!!! If I was going to another elevation I would simply use a correction factor, or bring my laptop and make 1 pull and know exactly what I need to change and where. I can tell you with 99% certainty you don't need a 30 pilot with that setup... 27.5 is plenty fine. I can tell you with 100% certainty that it does. You know how? Because I have the information, I'm not guessing I'm knowing. You know I let you make multiple comments in this thread with your smart ass tone and I did nothing... But I'm pretty much done playing with you. Your not posting in this thread because you care, your only in here to discredit me because your feelings got hurt the last time. Just don't participate in any threads I start, stay away from me and I'll stay away from you. Lets just say what you have been implying from the start.. I'm an idiot and I have nothing to offer anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Lets just say what you have been implying from the start.. I'm an idiot and I have nothing to offer anyone. Man....you saved me a lot of typing...thanks!!! My feelings hurt? Please.... OJ...let's just leave it at you think you know it all, being your first banshee and stuff, and I KNOW I know a helluva lot more than you. Which...might not amount to much, but it's still just that. A helluva lot more than you. WHY? Oh...because I've doing it since I was 7 with my daddy and uncles in my garage...and that's called experience son. No little gadget or gizmo is EVER going to take away from that. No...just about everything you say is smart ass...I was asking simple and honest questions until you got defensive. Done deal.....I'll be happy to stay out of your threads...stay out of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ojcool Posted November 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 (edited) Bike ran good at sand drags last weekend. Ordered a set of zippers for next time.. We will see how it does with some traction. Current settings are: 187' elevation 340 main stock needle center clip 30 pilot with screws 1.5 out Prodesign coolhead 20cc domes LRD adjustables +4 timing Pod filters Trail port .080 over Wisecos Edited November 2, 2006 by ojcool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ojcool Posted March 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 This is a classic thread of opinion...ta-may-to vs. ta-mah-to.... I don't know squat about turbos, superchargers or NOS in relation to a two stroke...but this is a good informative thread.... Keep in mind boys.... In a two stroke, the mixture travels into the crank case and up through the transfers. While a four stroke, the mixutre never enters the crank case (unless your rings are really...REALLY bad)... So, that's where the extra volume comes into play would be my guess, nothing about the cylinder holding more volume....the crankcase is part of the overall volume. That's my take, anyways....and, I'm more than open to suggestion on that. Damn, really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Obviously this had some learning value to you since you felt the need to bring it up from oh...November of last year. I know your goal in life, other than to be a total ass clown who doesn't know shit...is to try and make me look 1/4 as stupid as you. It's not working, and we are all STILL Laughing at you...not with you. From a guy that can't even jet his own shit, to someone that needs a wideband sensor to help him...because reading plugs is totally out of the question for you...to the tell all, know all mustang authority on a banshee site... YOU ARE THE MAN!!! NOT.... Now take your box of crayons and join the rest of the class. Let the adults talk amongst themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtecjun Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 I am just finding this thread now. I havent been on the board since last year. I am curious how anyone can argue that a factual reading from a sensor can be worse than using your eyes. I have tuned 100's of "CARS", I know almost nothing about my 2 Stroke motor, and I always use a wideband O2 sensor. Our Dynojet has an optional sensor built in but we typically use the same LM1 Innovate to make sure that they both agree. 600HP Honda engines are pretty picky when it comes to AF ratio. I just cant see how a wideband isnt the way to go. I am curious, maybe you said an I missed it OJCOOL, how did you get readings from both sides of the motor? Not taking sides with anyone here, just curious about tuning my bike as well. :biggrin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03bansheeLE Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 I just found this thread aswell, very informative. I agree that using sensor readings to tune any engine is by far the best way. But I'm not going to say that reading plugs isn't going to work, its just not as accurate. So did you still end up attaching the sensor to a pipe extension off the silencer? How long was the pipe? I have an NGK wideband moniter already for tuning performance cars and have read that the sensor must be at least 10 exhaust diameters in length away from the exhaust exit to prevent a lean reading. Meaning on a 2 inch pipe the sensor should be at least 20 inches from the exit. I would think anywhere between 12.7:1 - 13:1 at WOT is quite safe and around 14.7:1 at cruising/light load is safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 OJ's not on here very much any more. I talked to him a week or so ago... He sold his banshee from what he told me, and is playing with some four strokes. I think he said he's on exriders.com now... I thought that was a Honda EX site, I was wrong...LOL. This was one of the few heated arguments ojcool and I had. Since then, we've been just fine and get along...we've both tried to help each other with parts finding/selling, etc. since. Try a PM to him, he might answer quicker. I have his email, but I don't like giving personal stuff like that out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03bansheeLE Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Alright thanks a lot, Ill send him a PM. Too bad hes onto the 4 strokes now though lol. Oh well, they can be fun too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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