nomad Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 I was offered a new 535cc ported Cheetah PV, 39mm PWK's, Trinity T-6 exhaust and a heavy duty clutch upgrade; installed for 4K PLUS my new motor. Is this a good deal? I haven't been able to find out the cost of a new Banshee motor, but from pricing this out on Trinity's site, it didn't seem unreasonable. Thanks for the feedback!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chase@miamiatv.com Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 seems abouutttt right i guess...a stock motor running goes for about a grand on ebay. 10mill stroker ? right ? if so crank - 1000 cylinders 1800 ? new add it up man . dont go by trinity, go by ebay prices...... that way you know the true resale value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiftdT4R Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 seems abouutttt right i guess...a stock motor running goes for about a grand on ebay. :tongue: I paid a g for a whole running banshee, check out the '02 in my sig, only thing it didnt have was a rear fender. The price seems about even if you ask me, I've never bought a banshee engine without a frame(hahaha), but from the prices I see it seems about on par, not an awesome deal, not a looser. What are you doing with the bike, drag, trails, dunes....... etc. If your dragging or duning, I'd say go for it, I rode a 420 cheetah, and the thing fuckin' flew!!! I wouldnt want it for trails, or MX, but it was a wild ass ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chase@miamiatv.com Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 lol scared of a little power on the trail. THE MORE THE BETTER ! whoever questions why so much for trail riding they just wont understand....... :baseball_whistle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomad Posted September 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Thanks for the replies. It's for trail riding and general screwing around. I will check out ebay, I was only going by Trinity's site. I thought it to be relatively fair, but not a steal. I know it may be a lot of unusable power for tight trail ridding, but I will find a place to get her going. My Shee, while needing low-end jetting, is running well/pulls strongly up top. I just blasted her up and down the street to see what Shee had and it was unimpressive. There are places by me to ride which are wide open, including an old airstrip, but the weather hasn't allowed me to get to them yet. Shee will also visit other riding areas next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestar Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 I was offered a new 535cc ported Cheetah PV, 39mm PWK's, Trinity T-6 exhaust and a heavy duty clutch upgrade; installed for 4K PLUS my new motor. Is this a good deal? I haven't been able to find out the cost of a new Banshee motor, but from pricing this out on Trinity's site, it didn't seem unreasonable. Thanks for the feedback!!! I bought mine before the cubs were out or even mentioned. You better think about spending another 5 grand for the suspension with that motor. What good is it all that power with-out the suspension. Theirs alot of work with epoxyies if it's tunnel ported to make them run wright. That's why they came out with the cubs. If had a chance to do it over. I'd go with a cub. They run just as good. [ Cheaper to build ] Your going to need a engine builder call jeff at fastoys. He will help you out. Think about it. Before jumping into big cheetah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomad Posted September 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 (edited) I have elkas up front and waiting for the rear which should be available to the public soon, if not already. I am giving it much consideration and haven't decided yet. It's just hard to turn down an already built and ready to ride ported 535 kit including everything (carbs, exhaust, clutch, flywheel, electronics, engine swap, etc.) for 4K outta pocket. I wouldn't have contemplated it except the overall expense is not much different than a smaller PV kit. I wasn't interested in the cub setup because it does use stock parts, and I'm sure there's nothing great about them...welded or not. I've read it doesn't have the torque, which is what I really want (save the 4-stroke comments... at the very least they sound like shit). I would've ordered a 472-496cc kit, but I assume it would cost the same, or a little more than this 535, when everything is said and done (all parts, assembled, installed and tuned; not including motor swap)....again outta pocket expense. Thanks again people, and keep the opinions flowing! Edited September 8, 2006 by nomad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestar Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Your working back-wards, a-arms swing-arm then shocks. What's wrong with a 10/mm cub? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomad Posted September 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Most of my riding is on trails/in woods and around here and they aren't wide enough to accomodate 50'' in many areas. I don't want it longer and don't need it shorter. I will tackle a-arms/swing arm when mine break (maybe sooner than later). I guess I'm applying car performance to 2-stroke performance and maybe that's wrong. But with cars it's not wise to make significant power mods without upgrading other engine components. In this case I would be adding 2.5 to 3 times the stock output. From what I've read I would still need modifications done to accomadate a large cub. Please inform me if I'm wrong. I'm going to call Trinity this morning and talk with someone to set me straight and get pricing. Accept for my KXT which has been in resto mode for a while (bought the Shee instead of restoring the trike), I haven't been in the off-road game in almost 25 years, so I have a lot of learning to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiftdT4R Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 (edited) Most of my riding is on trails/in woods and around here and they aren't wide enough to accomodate 50'' in many areas. I don't want it longer and don't need it shorter. I will tackle a-arms/swing arm when mine break (maybe sooner than later). I know where your comin' from on that. That is what I did with my '01, if you go +2+1 up front it really does just even it up with the back. And it handles much better too. To be honest, and I know chase will tell you otherwise, I personally wouldn't want all that power through trails, especially tighter technical ones. The banshee is a tougher trail bike to ride allready. I'm hoping to have my '01 setup up pretty good when it's done, I'm gonna do a stock length swinger, +2+1 arms, with some decent shocks, and I think that will make a world a difference. What it comes down to on trails for me is that: Even though a bike gets faster and faster it still doesnt make it through some trails any quicker. When me and my buddies ride, I keep up fine with a blaster, and I keep up fine witth a 125, the banshee is a little easier to do it with though. Just my .02 and I'm sure people will disagree. It also depends a little bit on what kind of trails your riding, I tend to ride tighter andd more technical stuff, if you look at some of Chases's pictures, the trails are more open, a straighter run, and full of sand. I wouldnt mind the power there at all. I've ridden a 421 cub in upstate NY last time I went, and honestly the only time it was really quicker through the trails was when we came out onto fire roads, I tend to think a good pipe setup, a good intake setup, timing advance, and lightened flywheel(flywheel depends more on riding style though) were damn cheap, and made a world of difference. There are also more bottom end improvements too. Just my .02, and good luck, whatever you decide to do. Edited September 8, 2006 by LiftdT4R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 You're going to run over a 100HP motor in trails that can get 50 inches wide?.... Don't waste your money or time. With all that power on a stock length bike, you're going to spend more time on the brakes or with the front end up in the air..... That's a dune/wide open trail/drag race motor...any way you slice it. Keep your motor, port it, get some mid power pipes and have fun.... You specifically said you haven't been in the offroad game in 25 years. Well...you wouldn't start boxing tomorrow and then challenge Mike Tyson to a fight the week after, right? Same thing applies here... 535 Cheetah PV motor is too much for those trails on a stock swinger, etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiftdT4R Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 You're going to run over a 100HP motor in trails that can get 50 inches wide?.... Don't waste your money or time. With all that power on a stock length bike, you're going to spend more time on the brakes or with the front end up in the air..... That's a dune/wide open trail/drag race motor...any way you slice it. Keep your motor, port it, get some mid power pipes and have fun.... You specifically said you haven't been in the offroad game in 25 years. Well...you wouldn't start boxing tomorrow and then challenge Mike Tyson to a fight the week after, right? Same thing applies here... 535 Cheetah PV motor is too much for those trails on a stock swinger, etc.... That's what I was thinking too, I didn't want to be so harsh, but, it is doable, but your going to be babying the clutch ALOT, and really taking it easy. I've never rideen a 535 cheetah, I rode an unworked 421 cheetah once, and it held its own on +2+1 arms, and a stock length swinger and axle. I was able to keep the front end down a lot. I like the Mike Tyson reference too :yelrotflmao: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomad Posted September 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 (edited) Thanks again lftdT4R. The majority of his posts are harsh, and while he may have good advice his presentations sucks ass. Just because I can't ride it wide open all the time doesn't mean I can't ride it wide open. And just because I haven't been on a 4 wheeler in 25 years doesn't mean I can't ride. A three wheeler is more technical and that's what I grew up on, and that's what I was riding as of last year. I've competetively raced BMX, a dirtbike, cars and a street bike. I may want to race this too. My last bike made 181 at the rear and it was slow. My friends old turbo Hyabusa pushing 260 to the rear was nice, but not overwhelming. I got off the street after I got married because I couldn't find enough power to make me happy and I thought I kill myself trying to find it. I want some good power to play with. I already know I don't need a 535 for my application, but for the same money I would be buying less. Afer reading the Trinity forums, everything seems to be fast, so I'll ask them directly what they recomend. I could probably live with a 4mm PV, but it seems to cost around 3-4K. To help dajogejr out, would you pay 45K for a corvette (C6- not a ZO6) or 45K for a dodge viper if they were both new? Edited September 8, 2006 by nomad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chase@miamiatv.com Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 i just dont understand it , if you can afford serious HP ! GET IT ! You dont have to use all the power on the tight narrow trail..... wait till u get to the open runway , take off , gear up =-D ... Maybe a +2 + 4 ? swinger in the future.... I see it like this ....... I have the money to go buy a bad ass vett and turbo it but i might be able to save by purchasing a geo metro and turbo it ..... what the hell , you only live once , dont go get a geo metro worked up. If your going to do it , do it big.................... I know if i seen the motor run and had the extra cash.... id be a owner of a cheetah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fun_on_the_sand Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 I agree.... Too much power for the trails/woods You will never be able to develope all the power But it will kick a$$ on Oldsmobile Hill You're going to run over a 100HP motor in trails that can get 50 inches wide?.... Don't waste your money or time. With all that power on a stock length bike, you're going to spend more time on the brakes or with the front end up in the air..... That's a dune/wide open trail/drag race motor...any way you slice it. Keep your motor, port it, get some mid power pipes and have fun.... You specifically said you haven't been in the offroad game in 25 years. Well...you wouldn't start boxing tomorrow and then challenge Mike Tyson to a fight the week after, right? Same thing applies here... 535 Cheetah PV motor is too much for those trails on a stock swinger, etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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