nomad Posted September 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Chase, you are a man after my own heart. I just got off the phone with Trinity and they have a deal on the 400cc and 421cc cheetahs, $2500 and $3000 respectively for an entire package. I was told the 421 will make 90HP :ermm: . It's jetted and ready to go. I would still need someone to tear my engine apart and put in the new cheetah. I'm not confident enough to take my quad apart and put it back together, I would like to be and will learn on my KXT, but right now I don't posses the knowledge. I can't see running to the computer every 10 minutes to post a new message for help, or search old posts for information. I also can't see waiting for performance. He has customers running the same 535 on pump and race gas and ride trails/woods. I'm gonna talk with them to see how happy they are. Thanks again for all of your opinions!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 The majority of his posts are harsh, and while he may have good advice his presentations sucks ass. If by this you mean I don't sugar coat everything, talk politically correct...and I'm just brutally honest, then I'll take that as a compliment... Just because I can't ride it wide open all the time doesn't mean I can't ride it wide open. You need to ride a banshee before you know what that statement means. I can sum it up best by quoting someone else. "You'll have all kinds of the wrong kind of power for what you want" And just because I haven't been on a 4 wheeler in 25 years doesn't mean I can't ride. A three wheeler is more technical and that's what I grew up on, and that's what I was riding as of last year. Hate to be the news breaker...but 25 years ago there were no 4 wheelers...it was only 3 wheelers... quads started mid eighties, not early eighties. And if an old three wheeler was the pinnacle of technology you've ridden, you're in for a surprise. I've competetively raced BMX, a dirtbike, cars and a street bike. I may want to race this too. My last bike made 181 at the rear and it was slow. My friends old turbo Hyabusa pushing 260 to the rear was nice, but not overwhelming. None of this translates into off road riding skill you'll need on a quad.... Sure, shifting gears is the same...and that can very easily convert over and should. I've done all of the above as well, except race BMX ...it's totally different on a quad... I already know I don't need a 535 for my application, but for the same money I would be buying less. Afer reading the Trinity forums, everything seems to be fast, so I'll ask them directly what they recomend. I could probably live with a 4mm PV, but it seems to cost around 3-4K. To help dajogejr out, would you pay 45K for a corvette (C6- not a ZO6) or 45K for a dodge viper if they were both new? If you're going to rely on Trinity...I'm sorry. Their name is not even close to the best in the business....and I don't trust what they build or say... I think they may have been good in the day, they've gotten too big for their britches IMO...there are plenty others that will offer you a WAY better price and 10X the customer service Trinity can only dream of. OH...and to answer the corvette question...I'm a pickup truck or Hummer H1 kinda guy...so, neither.... :beer: Nomad...I'm not trying to get down on you. Your specific riding conditions just don't warrant a motor of that type, whether it's got more than enough power or not.... Would you take an elephant gun squirrel hunting? A Corvette to ride up and down your driveway and to the grocery store? When you say you might race it...what do you mean by that? Trail racing, GNCC, drag racing, duning, hill shooting? With stockish suspension, you'll get whomped on by a near box stock 450 4 stroke on any type of GNCC or motocross track, period. However...with that motor, you'd be a man to beat at drag racing, duning or hill shooting (granted you lenghten the swinger by say...oh, 8 to 12 inches)... Hey...it's your money, build what you want obviously.... But don't just dismiss truly practical advice when you came here to ask for it.... :shrug: Also...nomad...of course they're going to tell you they have 535's racing... They probably have 535 snowblowers and lawnmowers too...they're salesmen, period. When you say 90HP cheetah, are you talking cheetah cub or cheetah. Cheetah are Powervalvle motors...cubs are not. If you're buying a cub motor and think you're gonna trail ride with that....all I can say is good luck. I have one, it's near 100HP...and it's no trail machine... Dune and drag race only....period.... Either way, good luck... Typing never shows a attitude, sarcasm, wit or humor very well. Don't want you to take my posts personally or the wrong way...but I'm not gonna blow smoke up your ass to tell you something is when it isn't.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ghostryder420 Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 i agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestar Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 One more dilemma you may run into. Case flexing once this starts they start leaking. I average about 20 to 25 hours riding time. Then you gotta pull the motor put new doll pins in reseal it. Ive done this twice. It happen again the third time. Jeff At fastoys got my motor now. It's my last ditch effort to fix this problem. If it happens again which I dout. I'll sell everthing. Just to add to this these big cheetahs are Known to blowing tranny's also. Just to much torque. To build my motor I got $10,000 Into it roughly. This is with out Jeff's bill yet. Go with the cub set-up. This is my last post on this matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greencoloredride Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 I know its not logical/practical/efficient, but holy shit would that much power be fun!!!!! If it was me and I had the diposable income, Id buy it and make it as mean as f#$*ing possibe. Then Id buy a cheap 4poke to hit the trails with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 I know its not logical/practical/efficient, but holy shit would that much power be fun!!!!! If it was me and I had the diposable income, Id buy it and make it as mean as f#$*ing possibe. Then Id buy a cheap 4poke to hit the trails with. Yep...exactly what I plan on doing late this year or beginning of next... Just got back from the drag strip...and I"m already thinking lockup, override, alky...12 over, 12 paddle...it just never stops! You just can't beat a 450 for the trails, out of the box. Throw a pipe, air filter and cam in 'em...and they're such a blast to ride...no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomad Posted November 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 An update on the Cheetah. The weather and riding area determined that I couldn't justify spending the money on an engine upgrade. It would've been a waste because I haven't been able to ride the Shee for the last 1.5 months due to the flooding swamps. I went and bought a 700 Grizzly to deal with the onslaught of rain/mud...and now the swamp has 3-4 feet of water and I'm not going to submerge the 4x4. Any1 know where I can get an air boat :: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketboy Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 sure we all love power and its nice to have an unlimited source of it on tap but yo u must also realize how the power delivery will be for your given riding ,100hp banshee's generally make this power at 10K+....basiclly you may be wrapped around a tree in 10 minutes due to the light switch powerband of a cub ,yo u want smooth linear torque , not a vilolent punch and front wheels instantly in the air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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