icprey Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 Seeing as I'm building my shee for eastern riding I'm wondering if the stock pipes aren't the better choice for the tighter riding we do. With all the curls and length is it possible that these can work better in the woods than some of the other choices T-5,Fatty.... I do believe that there are some pipes that will increase low-end(gnarly,turner mids) but over the others mentioned before(all that seems available used) would you stay stock? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilarious Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 Seeing as I'm building my shee for eastern riding I'm wondering if the stock pipes aren't the better choice for the tighter riding we do. With all the curls and length is it possible that these can work better in the woods than some of the other choices T-5,Fatty.... I do believe that there are some pipes that will increase low-end(gnarly,turner mids) but over the others mentioned before(all that seems available used) would you stay stock? Thanks If you dont want to unleash any extra potential horsepower that the shee' has an abundancy of, hidden in stock form, then leave the stock pipes on it. You are better off getting aftermarket pipes. :beer: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icprey Posted August 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 I totally understand what you mean and I know that at least from mid-up there are significant gains to be had with pipes. Maybe I should have stated it something more like this. Not wanting to lose ANY of the little bottom end these machines have regarless of how much is gained after that point would I be better to stick with stock pipes. We have heavy handed noise restrictions here so I MUST run stock silencers. If anyone wants to chime in with a combo stock rear/??front exhaust?? that will give me at LEAST as much as stock low end go right ahead, much appreciated. Will gnarly's hook up? 2 in 1 sounds what I need but there is no way to run quiet(and I mean quiet) They don't sound meter here, they look for the original stamping(writing) on the silencers. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justintoxicated Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 (edited) No offense, but if you need THAT much lowend, then you would be better off with a 4 stroke, or maybe even a 4x4. The stock pipes have restrictors in them, just changing to something like Fattys can gain you 10HP! But the stock pipes are decent low end pipes (very restrictive) so if you cruise around mostly at 1/4th throttle then I guess I would just keep those, but it would be better to get a different quad (other than the fact 2-strokes are easy to rebuild) You could do something like FMF Fattys (mid to top pipe) then Mill your head or get a cool head to raise your compression and give you back some of the lowend (I never missed any of the lowend from my stock pipes since I'm usualy riding way faster than 1/4th throttle). Or get something like a 2-1 pipe and mill your head if you need more lowend than Fattys or T5's would provide. But honestly 2-strokes are NOT made for lowend they show their real potential on top so you may be better off buying a different quad. If your noise restrictions are that harsh most 4 strokes won't pass those noise restrictions either even in stock form. So you might need a nice small 4-stroke for your needs. Seriously most new 4strokes are way louder than my banshee with Fattys or Toomys. If what your saying is true then it sounds like you want a fast production quad (since it has to be left stock) with alot of low end. A Banshee is about the complete opposite. Edited August 22, 2006 by Justintoxicated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlotzBanshee Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 No matter what the cops or trail nazi's want to see stamped on the silencers, USFS approved is legal, which most aftermarket pipes are or can be with the addition of a spark arrester. There should be a set decible restriction in your area (usually around 100 db). Most pipes are at or under 100 dbs. Don't let the pigs intimidate you. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS and then abuse them. Stock pipes and silencers suck ass and are heavy as hell. Unless you can't afford aftermarket pipes, don't even consider using stock silencers on new head pipes. You might as well stick a cork in you exhaust. $.02 :beer: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiftdT4R Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 The FMF Gnarleys are good trail pipes, I noticed a big all around difference after I put mine mine on. I hate their friggin silencers. The above poster is right, 2 strokes arent known for their low end power to begin with, although, I pull trails just the same as any of of my buddies with 450s, and 400s. Hell, trails are soo tight sometimes, even my Kawie 250 keeps up just fine. Banshees can make great trail bikes, just not with stock silencers. DITCH 'EM, that should definately be your first mod! Get the right pipes, and you'll notice a huge difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 Get a moto 2 into 1. I rode a friends with that and a milled head only, much better than stock...peppier, and not much noisier...asswhore, I'm surprised you said 100Db... We're in MI, it's 94 or 96 db most the places I ride (Used to ride Mounds...SUCKS...) No way a piped shee is coming in that low. Only thing you can do is wait till the DNR isn't testing, and get out to the dunes!! At least they only test at like 2000 or 2500 RPM... Could you imagine how bad it'd be if they start testing at like ...5 or 6K? PW50's could barely pass... I found this on Silver Lake's info, right from the DNR...good thing they're a little lax on it. ( A maximum noise level of 94 Db(A), or the current EPA emissions limit, shall be met. The testing provisions of current SAE J 1287, June 93 standard for ATV and motorcycle vehicles and SAE J 1169, March 93 for all other vehicles shall be followed and all vehicles shall pass a stationary sound level test. The stationary sound level test shall be administered from a 0.5 meter (19.69 inches) distance at one-half the engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csrmel Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 the stock pipes are ok for low rpm technical stuff. they are certainly better than a set of shearers or cpi's for this situation. my point is that you need the right pipe for the right conditions. you sound like a great canidate for a motofast 2:1 pipe. to complement the pipe take youre stock head off and get it rechambered for 93 octane, and advance the timing a few degrees by slotting the stock timing plate with a hand file. the head and timing will help out greatly with low end power. with this combo you should have all the low end you want, decent midrange, but the top end will suffer. however you dont seem to be too worried about top end. for the type of riding you seem to do, it seems you can scarifice top end without hurting anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlotzBanshee Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Silver Lake is the only place I've ever seen them testing, and usually only on the holidays. I asked a DNR officer up there one time and he said its "96db +/- 2db, but they tend to only reject 100+ dbs." My pipes are supposed to be 98dbs with the spark arresters on, and I've yet to have anyone even test me....yet. I'm sure it just depends on if you get a prick at the gate. :: Thats why you always see the guys with the drag bikes driving theirs in in the back of the truck. :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icprey Posted August 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Our laws here(Quebec) state that no part of the exhaust system is allowed to be modified in ANY way, however front pipes are not verified(generally not the part causing most loudness) but the rear section is. And this is done by police officers whose job it is to patrol all day and find law breakers(and they have deen trained to know oem equipement). I do remember several old DirtWheels articles stating that the rear silencers(stock) did not account for any MAJOR reduction in power and that almost all the gains come from the front pipe section. There is the weight factor but I am ignoring this here. I understand all the comments about it not being the ideal machine for what I am describing and that a thumper would be better suited, but I'm sticking with this machine for several personal reasons(and the wife vs toy factor here is huge!!!!!!!!!!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlotzBanshee Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 (edited) Sorry I didn't know you live in Canada... DMCbanshee lives in Quebec and has DMC Aliens which are fairly loud. He's also had some Paul Turners too I believe? Why don't you talk to him about it? :beer: Edited August 23, 2006 by AssWhore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Silver Lake is the only place I've ever seen them testing, and usually only on the holidays. Used to be the case...not any more. Most weekends they randomly test... Last year...any weekend but holidays you were good to go... I just wonder how long it'll be before they start testing them out in the dunes or at the strip...I bet it's not long. Too many peoople load 'em up in the truck and take them out there.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chase@miamiatv.com Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 dong rag on this guy , i went from out frame drags to stock inframes on my trail bike . Yeah its gunna take a hp hit , but SURRRRRRE does have way more boogie on the bottom end , great for strictly trail riding where u never really go fast . just turn and woooooop woooooop around the next turn . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilarious Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 I totally understand what you mean and I know that at least from mid-up there are significant gains to be had with pipes. Maybe I should have stated it something more like this. Not wanting to lose ANY of the little bottom end these machines have regarless of how much is gained after that point would I be better to stick with stock pipes. We have heavy handed noise restrictions here so I MUST run stock silencers. If anyone wants to chime in with a combo stock rear/??front exhaust?? that will give me at LEAST as much as stock low end go right ahead, much appreciated. Will gnarly's hook up? 2 in 1 sounds what I need but there is no way to run quiet(and I mean quiet) They don't sound meter here, they look for the original stamping(writing) on the silencers. Thanks Sorry man, didnt mean to sound harsh or anything. What I experienced, when I changed my pipes out was more power everywhere. I went from stock pipes to a K&N with no lid and fmf fattys. I didnt notice any loss on bottom end and more midrange and way more top end. Then I switched to some CPIs, mainly for future engine mods. I went ahead and put them on before i tore the bike down just to see what they would do and noticed even more power than the fmfs. EVERYWHERE. Bottom all the way up to the top. The CPIs are considerably louder than stock tho. One option would be to contact Cascade innovations, especially if money isnt a big factor. They make an aftermarket silencer that is supposed to be very quiet and non restrictive. I will be adding a set of these to my bike when and if I decide that I want to try another set of pipes on my bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endofitall9 Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 man, sounds like you do some of the same riding I do and that why I built my banshee the way I did PT Mids with a lightened flywheel works awesome these pipes couldn't be better for the type of riding I do, I can lug in 3rd allday in tight tight trails then just hit the throttle and it will clear its throat. ditch the stockers and get some pipes that will perform! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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