enFORCER Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 im not religious, wasnt raised that way, but i can respect the idea of god, the bible, and heaven. and any other religion for that matter. im not too keen on my super religious grandmother who wont have much of anything to do with my family cause my parents didnt raise us with god. but i do adore my other grandmother who is strict roman catholic. when she married my grandfather she wasnt allowed to practice her faith because his family followed a different faith. she worshiped privately for the entire 68 years she was married, until my grandfather passed away. now she has communion brought to her house, and enjoys being open with her beliefs. the difference isnt the religion or lack of, the difference is the person. My parents are of different faith as well, Mom's a Catholic and Dad's a Baptist.I was raised Catholic. Spent about 4 years in a Catholic school. I have been Baptized, I had my "conformation" and first communion when I was younger. I have read the Bible cover to cover back in the 70's. My mother is a practicing Catholic, she goes to church every Sunday. My brother sends his kids to a catholic school. The only time Dad goes to church is when someone gets married or die's and as do I. My Dad comes from a pretty religious family though. I have a cousin down in Rolla Missouri who is the Pastor of a church down there. So I have had plenty of exposer to the "good book" and all of it's teachings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooke Posted August 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 My parents are of different faith as well, Mom's a Catholic and Dad's a Baptist.I was raised Catholic. Spent about 4 years in a Catholic school. I have been Baptized, I had my "conformation" and first communion when I was younger. I have read the Bible cover to cover back in the 70's. My mother is a practicing Catholic, she goes to church every Sunday. My brother sends his kids to a catholic school. The only time Dad goes to church is when someone gets married or die's and as do I. My Dad comes from a pretty religious family though. I have a cousin down in Rolla Missouri who is the Pastor of a church down there. So I have had plenty of exposer to the "good book" and all of it's teachings. i didnt say you hadnt had exposure, i said people cant seem to look past their own experiences. why condem everyone just because they believe something you dont? its hypocritical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enFORCER Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 i didnt say you hadnt had exposure, i said people cant seem to look past their own experiences. why condem everyone just because they believe something you dont? its hypocritical. I have not condemned anyone. Just the opposite has happen here. I have no problem with anyone practicing their faith or beliefs. If that is what it takes to keep you on the right path, then hey that's great. But people should not tell others that they can't have morals if they do not have religion or believe as they do. All people have the power to be good and lead moral productive lives no matter what their beliefs are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helldriver Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 (edited) the bible pushers think they are so rightous, when they are the ones that cant ecen follw their own rules and guidlines, RKC and 04le are prime example of this and anyone that says you need god for morals is clearly not knowing what they speak of what about all the other religions that dont follow jesus,,, i guess they have no morals huh? :shoothead: peoploe really ned to look at the bible and what it says,,,, not just what they hear or think it says,, i have no problem with people changing the meaning of the bibloe to fit thrie needs,, bUT dont deny all the other shit thats in there, and pretend it dosent exist, at least admit it I have a very religious christian freind of mine, and even he ackwoldges the bibles bad stuff and meaning, but has adapted the other parts of it ,,, at least he knows and says yup, there are violent things that god does and says you must do,, but he took the good parts and thats what he belives in,, Edited August 14, 2006 by helldriver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkc Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 (edited) LOL! If you don't believe in God, then their is no reason to live a good moral productive life? That's just more nonsense!!!!!!! How about this. Instead of serving God, try to serve your family, neighbor and fellow man. Try taking some of that time you spend giving praise and thanks to God and give some of that praise and thanks to the people in your life who are important to you. It's finally gone full circle, the hens have come home to roost, give'm enough rope and they"ll hang themselves. The unbelievers are telling us to live "good moral productive lives" What happened to ALL the rhetoric about churchs, pastors, bible thumpers, the religious telling you how to live your lives. What, now you're going to tell us whats moral? All those 100's of I'm going to stand up to those who want to shove their religion down our throats! Still reactionary statements with no logic, no science just EMOTIONALISM, NO REASONING. what's good and who says so? what's moral and who says so? what's productive and who says so, YOU? By who's AUTHORITY do you speak? Let me guess your answers. common sense? majority rules? natural law? opinion? just because? make up your own? as long as nobody is hurt? who has the most guns? nerve ending pleasure? Guess what you're back to relativism ie: no right or wrong. There can be no standards without God. Have you ever been on a job with a hundred bosses? Israel is called the land of a million generals. Everyone has an opinion. Everyone draws a line in the sand in a different spot and they're all right. Without God we have nothing on Jeffrey Dahmer. Brooke I'm interested in what you think. Edited August 14, 2006 by rkc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Helldriver says that the bible is just a story book and when you close the cover you are back in reality. Here is some reality. These 10 Bible prophecies were fulfilled in 1948 when Israel became an independent, united nation for the second time in history, and for the first time in 2,900 years. 1. Jacob's descendants would regain control of Israel Bible passage: Amos 9:14-15 Written: about 750 BC Fulfilled: Since 1948 In Amos 9:14-15, the prophet said that there would come a time when the exiles of Israel would again have Israel as their own land and that they would never be uprooted again. Amos lived about 2700 years ago, during a time when the people of Israel were being forced out of their homeland by a succession of foreign invasions. Despite many centuries of exile, many Jews returned to Israel and reclaimed sovereignty over a portion of their ancient homeland. This declaration of independence, in 1948, triggered a war with the surrounding countries, which objected to the presence of a Jewish state. On May 15, 1948, the day that armies from the surrounding countries invaded, Azzam Pasha, the Secretary General of the Arab League, said "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades." Similar quotes were uttered by others during the war of 1948-49 and during the two major wars that followed. Despite its tiny size, Israel prevailed in these wars, preventing its people from being uprooted again, as they had been in ancient times. - Copyright AboutBibleProphecy.com and 100prophecies.org Amos 9:14-15 I will bring back my exiled people Israel; they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them," says the Lord your God. 2. Israel would be brought back to life Bible passage: Ezekiel 37:10-14 Written: between 593-571 BC Fulfilled: 1948 In Ezekiel 37:10-14, the prophet receives a vision in which Israel was seen as a scattering of dried-up bones. In this vision, God tells Ezekiel that the bones (Israel) would be brought back to life. Just as Ezekiel had prophesized about 2600 years ago, the Jews were brought back to the land, and the country of Israel was brought back to life. Israel re-established sovereignty in 1948, a mere three years after the end of the Holocaust, during which the Nazis killed about one-third of the world's Jewish population. - Copyright AboutBibleProphecy.com and 100prophecies.org Ezekiel 37:10-14 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet--a vast army. Then he said to me: "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They say, `Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.' Therefore prophesy and say to them: `This is what the Sovereign Lord says: O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.'" 3. Isaiah spoke of a Israel being reborn in one day Bible passage: Isaiah 66:7-8 Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC Fulfilled: 1948 In Isaiah 66:7-8, the prophet foreshadowed the re-birth of Israel in 1948. Isaiah describes a woman giving birth before going into labor, and he speaks of a country being born in one day. This accurately describes what happened on May 14, 1948 - when the Jews declared independence for Israel as a united and sovereign nation for the first time in 2900 years. During that same day, the United States issued a statement recognizing Israel's sovereignty. And, only hours beforehand, a United Nations mandate expired, ending British control of the land. During a 24-hour span of time, foreign control of the land of Israel had formally ceased, and Israel had declared its independence, and its independence was acknowledged by other nations. Modern Israel was literally was born in a single day. Isaiah said the birth would take place before there would be labor pains. And that too is precisely what happened. A movement called Zionism began in the 1800s to encourage Jews worldwide to move to Israel, which at that time was called Palestine. Within hours of the declaration of independence in 1948, Israel was attacked by the surrounding countries of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. When reading Isaiah 66:7-8, keep in mind that Israel's status as a sovereign nation was established and reaffirmed during the course of a single day, and that it was born of a movement called Zionism, and that its declaration of independence was not the result of a war but rather the cause of one. - Copyright AboutBibleProphecy.com and 100prophecies.org Isaiah 66:7-8 "Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children." 4. Israel would be re-established as a united nation Bible passage: Ezekiel 37:21-22 Written: between 593-571 BC Fulfilled: 1948 In Ezekiel 37:21-22, the prophet said that God would one day bring the people of Israel back to Israel, as a united nation. This might have been a shock for Ezekiel. He lived about 2600 years ago. At that time, the people of Israel had already divided themselves into two separate kingdoms. And, both kingdoms had been conquered by foreign invaders, who forced many of the people, including Ezekiel, into exile. But, when Jews reclaimed sovereignty in 1948, they did so as a united people, creating one nation - Israel. - Copyright AboutBibleProphecy.com and 100prophecies.org Ezekiel 37:21-22 and say to them, `This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms. 5. The second Israel would be more impressive than the first Bible passage: Jeremiah 16:14-15 Written: sometime from 626 to about 586 BC Fulfilled: 1948 In Jeremiah 16:14-15, the prophet said the second Israel would be more impressive than the first. In many regards, it is. The first time that Israel was established as a country was after Moses led the descendants of Jacob (typically referred to today as Jews) out of Egypt, where they had been enslaved for 400 years. They then conquered Canaan and established Israel about 3400 years ago. But the second time that Israel was established was after the Jews had been scattered far and wide for a few thousand years. This time the Jews had to return from as far away as the United States, China, Russia and South Africa. - Copyright AboutBibleProphecy.com and 100prophecies.org Jeremiah 16:14-15 "However, the days are coming," declares the Lord, "when men will no longer say, 'As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,' but they will say, 'As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.' For I will restore them to the land I gave their forefathers. 6. Ezekiel predicted when Israel would be re-established Bible passage: Ezekiel 4:3-6 Written: between 593-571 BC Fulfilled: 1948 In Ezekiel 4:3-6, the prophet said the Jews, who had lost control of their homeland, would be punished for 430 years. This prophecy, according to Bible scholar Grant Jeffrey, pinpointed the 1948 rebirth of Israel. Here's a summary of Jeffrey's theory: 1. Ezekiel said the Jews were to be punished for 430 years because they had turned away from God. As part of the punishment, the Jews lost control of their homeland to Babylon. Many Jews were taken as captives to Babylon. 2. Babylon was later conquered by Cyrus in 539 BC. Cyrus allowed the Jews to leave Babylon and to return to their homeland. But, only a small number returned. The return had taken place sometime around 536 BC, about 70 years after Judah lost independence to Babylon. 3. Because most of the exiles chose to stay in pagan Babylon rather than return to the Holy Land, the remaining 360 years of their punishment was multiplied by 7. The reason is explained in Bible's book of Leviticus. (Leviticus 26:18, 26:21, 26:24 and 26:28). In Leviticus, it says that if the people did not repent while being punished, the punishment would be multiplied by 7. And, by staying in pagan Babylon, most exiles were refusing to repent. 4. So, if you take the remaining 360 years of punishment and multiply by 7, you get 2,520 years. But, Jeffrey says those years are based on an ancient 360-day lunar calendar. If those years are adjusted to the modern solar calendar, the result is 2,484 years. 5. And, there were exactly 2,484 years from 536 BC to 1948, which is the year that Israel regained independence. - Copyright AboutBibleProphecy.com and 100prophecies.org Ezekiel 4:3-6 (In this Bible passage, Ezekiel is asked by God to symbolically act out the 430 years of punishment) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helldriver Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 (edited) ahahah now this is funny, first 04le stated that the old testamet is invaild and should be ignored, YET for his own proof , he still quotes from it? well bible asshole what is it, ?? you just cant pick and choose what parts of it you want,, its either the whole thing or not at all,, ahaha you stupid fucker youre just diggin yourself deeper bible man,,,,, down to hell!!!!! -l- Edited August 14, 2006 by helldriver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enFORCER Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 It's finally gone full circle, the hens have come home to roost, give'm enough rope and they"ll hang themselves. The unbelievers are telling us to live "good moral productive lives" What happened to ALL the rhetoric about churchs, pastors, bible thumpers, the religious telling you how to live your lives. What, now you're going to tell us whats moral? All those 100's of I'm going to stand up to those who want to shove their religion down our throats! Still reactionary statements with no logic, no science just EMOTIONALISM, NO REASONING. what's good and who says so? what's moral and who says so? what's productive and who says so, YOU? By who's AUTHORITY do you speak? Let me guess your answers. common sense? majority rules? natural law? opinion? just because? make up your own? as long as nobody is hurt? who has the most guns? nerve ending pleasure? Guess what you're back to relativism ie: no right or wrong. There can be no standards without God. Have you ever been on a job with a hundred bosses? Israel is called the land of a million generals. Everyone has an opinion. Everyone draws a line in the sand in a different spot and they're all right. Without God we have nothing on Jeffrey Dahmer. rkc, I have not told you or anyone else how to live "good moral productive lives." Is that rant of yours a question or an opinion or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkc Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 rkc, I have not told you or anyone else how to live "good moral productive lives." Is that rant of yours a question or an opinion or what? yes, read it again and defend your postion! With reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 ahahah now this is funny, first 04le stated that the old testamet is invaild and should be ignored, YET for his own proof , he still quotes from it? well bible asshole what is it? you just cant pick and chood what parts of it you want,, its either the whole thing or not at all,, ahaha you stupid fucker youre just diggin yourself deeper bible man,,,,, down to hel!!!!! -l- Oh you definitely got us helldriving and I'm rolling right along with you. I'm just glad I accept the free gift of salvation in Jesus. There is nothing that is hid that shall not be revealed and when you light a candle you put it on a candlestick for all to see. Everyone will eventually be forced to make a spiritual decision and I am opposed to the current state of Israel because it has re-established the Sanhedrin and seeks a one world religion of strict Torah observance for the Jews who think they are true Israel but are really just ushering in their own destruction. If you are not Jewish you will be expected to observe Noahide laws and to teach your children that they can never rise above the Jew. I like you think that there needs to be seperation of church and state so wtf? I'm done. I have no more to say on this but if anyone wants to bring virtue to light regarding the current state of Israel and can prove that they wish to allow people to freely pursue their own spiritual understanding, as Jesus taught to pray to your God in secret and treat you neighbor as yourself, then I would like to hear from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooke Posted August 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 so anyways, did anyone see the 60 minutes interview with the president of iran? was on tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helldriver Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 well 04le, since i dont accept that homo jesus crust as my savior, i could care less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enFORCER Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 so anyways, did anyone see the 60 minutes interview with the president of iran? was on tonight. No, I forgot it came on a 6:00 PM. I was interested in it though. yes, read it again and defend your postion! With reason Defend myself against who or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkc Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 No, I forgot it came on a 6:00 PM. I was interested in it though. Defend myself against who or what? y o u r P O S T I O N so anyways, did anyone see the 60 minutes interview with the president of iran? was on tonight. hoc a mo loca wack job no I missed it ....any revelation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enFORCER Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 y o u r P O S T I O N My position on what? :baseball_wacko: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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