dnomyar0 Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 Hey guys im looking to do some mods to my banshee so where do you recommend I find this stuff? cheetah cub kits? +4 swinger? +1+2 arms? shocks? oversized radiator? rear axles? dune porting jobs? and also what size engine should i go with a 4mil? does the crank the comes in the cub kit come trued and welded? is that necessary? what pipes would you recommend? i ride dunes and fast trails thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Madd Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 Hey guys im looking to do some mods to my banshee so where do you recommend I find this stuff? cheetah cub kits? +4 swinger? +1+2 arms? shocks? oversized radiator? rear axles? dune porting jobs? and also what size engine should i go with a 4mil? does the crank the comes in the cub kit come trued and welded? is that necessary? what pipes would you recommend? i ride dunes and fast trails thanks! Jeff @ F.A.S.T. has all of the above I believe. If I had it to do over I'd go with a 4 mil 68mm bore. I would think (not sure) that aftermarket 4 mil cranks would be trued and welded already. T5s or CPIs would probably be great pipes for your riding style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 Call Jeff, he'll answer all your questions, in detail...period. You don't need porting on cubs...ride it first then decide if you need to be ported. They do weld the crank from the factory on aftermarket cranks, Jeff will be the first to tell you he rewelds them because the factory welds from Wiseco have known to be for shit.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gipperz Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 Jeff can set you up, he did all my stuff and I purchased everything from him. He'll treat you right. Gipperz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 Just be careful... I think every 20 minutes cost me about 800 bucks in more go fast goody parts... That guy kept me on the phone for about an hour.... :yelrotflmao: :yelrotflmao: :yelrotflmao: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnomyar0 Posted August 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 thanks for the replies seems like Jeff is the go to guy how can i contact him? also in stuck on which pipes to go with, cpi in frames or toomey t5, which would you ride? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 I feel through research and trusted rider's opinions (and the guy I had rebuild my bike) that RDZ/Shearer inframes were the best choice for my cub... I CPI and Shearer are very close, IMO. Where CPI comes on a little sooner and falls off a little sooner, Shearers will make more peak HP and pull longer in the RPMs. Now...I'm not saying one makes 20HP more than the other, we're probably talking 1 to 3HP at most.... Jeff will probably tell you CPIs. Since I had T5s on my cub I can tell you...Cubs make power, period. But...you're choking them out a bit with a trail based pipe. It'll be fun, no doubt...but you will be missing on a few ponies. From T5 to RDZ or CPIs...I'd guess around 5HP give or take, and there's no doubt either of the pipes will pull longer. My friend gave me a helluva deal on my RDZ pipes...I simply couldn't pass 'em up. Plus...you can get to the motor easier than with a CPI. Talk to Jeff... You can PM him on here, FASTOYS, or: 785-364-5325 M-F 10-6 // SAT 10-2 Central time! Tell him you'll gladly give him some pizza or FBT (Fat boy treats) as partial payment...he'll laugh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnomyar0 Posted August 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 thanks very much! i will check out those pipes and make a list of what im looking for and then give him a pm! ty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animalman294 Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 I can agree with dajogejr on the "time on the phone is money thing". But if you don't want the thing comin' apart you need to spend the money, or you will constantly be tearin' it down and replacin' things that break. Do yourself a favor and and spend the money on the right parts. If you can't afford it then you can't play with the big dogs yet................. With cubs and that kind of horsie power you need longer swinger, shocks, longer chain, longer brake lines, better clutch, pipes, larger carbs, intakes, better head, and new pack of fruit of the looms.......... :yelrotflmao: Just so yourself a favor and do your research.................... :beer: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 Jeff has a quote in his signature that sums it up very well. You can go broke saving money... If a quote ever fit, this one does...doubly so with a cub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnomyar0 Posted August 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 (edited) Jeff has a quote in his signature that sums it up very well. You can go broke saving money... If a quote ever fit, this one does...doubly so with a cub. so are you saying that i should just ride and upgrade when the time comes? i have two more questions, what do i have to do to put a new swing arm on, im thinking of getting one from the swingarm shop will the stock brake line work on a +4 extended? this is the one im thinking of: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-4-6-Exten...emZ320005710009 also, what is the max compression psi that i can still run on 91 octane? im at sea level so what size dome would work for me on a 4mil 68bore cub on 91 octane? Edited August 13, 2006 by dnomyar0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnomyar0 Posted August 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 im confused on the cub sizes i am looking to get a 421cc engine here yamaha says the stock stroke is 54mm http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products.../2/0/specs.aspx but here the numbers dont add up, a 4mil stroker brings it to 58mm stroke right? then i would choose the 68 mm bore http://patriotracing.net/Cheetah%20Cub.htm but 58mm*68mm=394cc NOT 421cc now 62mm*68mm=421cc, but that would be a +8mil right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Madd Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Stock brake line will work on +4 swinger. I've got the stocker on my +6. I ordered a longer one, but didn't need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 im confused on the cub sizes i am looking to get a 421cc engine here yamaha says the stock stroke is 54mm http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products.../2/0/specs.aspx but here the numbers dont add up, a 4mil stroker brings it to 58mm stroke right? then i would choose the 68 mm bore http://patriotracing.net/Cheetah%20Cub.htm but 58mm*68mm=394cc NOT 421cc now 62mm*68mm=421cc, but that would be a +8mil right? Most of the time, you get the 4mil crank with 5 mil longer rods... that gives you 421 with a 68mm bore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnomyar0 Posted August 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 so how does that work out? the rod you speak of is the connecting rod right? so is it 4 +5 mil? im not understaniding this can you tell me how long the stroke really is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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