blanco25 Posted August 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 hey guys thanks for the info. the dealership only gave 2 options the t-rex or the alba 400 stroker kit. they told me the alba kit wouldn't be as reliable as the trex. now the dealership has my money and they already paid dan lamey for the motor and it on its way will be here tomorrow. they also told me those were the only 2 that they could give me some kind of warranty. also spoke to dan and he stated that i would have 80hp with those pipes. could get a little more with different ones. so how long do i have till i blow it up? and what kind of breaking in will i have to do with this motor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trex banshee Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 There is not a set time on blow up it just depends on how much you take care of it and if the jetting is right. Break in is also a pretty important factor. Everyone has their own special way of doing it but I just run it through about three heat cycles letting it cool down completely in between each cycle then the fourth time i start it i let it warm up then start riding it pretty hard. Then I am usually done. But just make sure you have someone jet your bike a little rich nevers hurts. You will find this out when you have to buy the first set of pistons. 80hp isn't bad but its a 440?? I think i remember you saying. Well look at the 421 cubs some of them with the right set up are above 90hp. with a lot less money put into them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco25 Posted August 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 dam thats a grip of HP. you have to remember that i was just riding a stock banshee. all i was just trying to beat the next door neighbor not all of vegas. when you got your trex was it overwhelming power when you first rode it? how much difference is this going to be? i just spoke to dan again and he said the same thing i could pull more power with some different pipes. sh*t i feel like a little kid going to disneyland for the first . i can't wait to ride it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RILS Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 whos and what dyno where you using....?: the problem with comparing dyno numbers is they vary so much from dyno to dyno..the dyno we use is pretty conservitave, we also have a 370PV ESR 250r motor that put out 55hp, but you hear of these things in the 60-65hp range. a good example is the numbers A&S puts up... everyone know they are full of shit... I personally think dynos are good tuning tools but not good for comparing someone numbers to anothers unless your using the same dyno at the same time... Our shees run T-5s as well. the bike with the single carb has huge torque but with that single carb it isnt going to make big HP's it just cant flow enough or fast enough, plus it had low port timings. the motor that has the 35's would be the best to try and compare apples to apples and were pretty close with each others HP numbers. your not going to see a big HP difference between gas carbs just when and where the power comes in.. a horse here or there but nothing to make you go wow! Im not here to bash anybody.As for dynos they dont really mean shit but on the 85hp I would say that your in line with everones numbers.As for dan at A&S I agree that hes a hard guy to get ahold of but when you do get him he anwsers all your questions and will tell you things that suprise you even if he doesent make as much money off you.One of the first things he told me was that his dyno reads off 1 wheel and usually reads 3-4 horsepower higher than redlines which I think is known to read low.You could proably go to say cpis or any drag pipe and pull another 5hp or so but your power spread will suffer.Im waiting on all the parts to put my 4mill together and dan and cam told me to expect around 90 from mine but that doesnt really mean anything to me when a dyno passes me i will be worried.And i would be worried if a equily built bike with stk carbs beat me but i guess im just running on now so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chase@miamiatv.com Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 your bike will rip big time , anyone who says it wont is b.sing you ...... sure theyre not as effecient as a cub , but they do RIP , AND RIP HAAAAAAAAAAAARD at that !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RILS Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 There is not a set time on blow up it just depends on how much you take care of it and if the jetting is right. Break in is also a pretty important factor. Everyone has their own special way of doing it but I just run it through about three heat cycles letting it cool down completely in between each cycle then the fourth time i start it i let it warm up then start riding it pretty hard. Then I am usually done. But just make sure you have someone jet your bike a little rich nevers hurts. You will find this out when you have to buy the first set of pistons. 80hp isn't bad but its a 440?? I think i remember you saying. Well look at the 421 cubs some of them with the right set up are above 90hp. with a lot less money put into them. As far as being a 440 and 80 hp what diffreance does that make?If I were in your shoes and the warrenty was a concern i would have made the same decision.I dont know the bore on the trexs but im sure thats where you getting so many ccs.Imo ccs dont mean much of shit.65mm cubs +4 stroke=385, 68mm+4+421 and was looking at the dynos on the new72mm or 73mm I dont remember and they are like 485 cc and made 2hp and 1ftp of torque over the others I would ve thought it would have been more than that.I think it made 114 on alky and ive seen some 65mm and 68mm pull these types of numbers also so my point is the bore dont mean very much.Its all about the flow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco25 Posted August 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 thanks chase and rils. i feel a little better. they told me today that they have to bore my case to 80mm and it would take about a day or two. what does that do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RILS Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 thanks chase and rils. i feel a little better. they told me today that they have to bore my case to 80mm and it would take about a day or two. what does that do? That is to allow the bigger bore.The trexs can be made to run very hard Ive heard they require more work to run there best but if outrunning your neighbor is you 1st priority it should more than do that job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco25 Posted August 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 im having problems downloading videos on the forum. i have a couple race videos that would show you what i am up against. ill keep trying some of the dunes are pretty large. but thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RILS Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 im having problems downloading videos on the forum. i have a couple race videos that would show you what i am up against. ill keep trying some of the dunes are pretty large. but thanks for the info. What kind of setup does your neighbor have?I would never sleep if i had a neighbor with a faster banshee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco25 Posted August 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 motherfu**er wont really tell me. i know he has pro circuit pipes and the engine was just rebuilt. but no cool head no boost bottle no K&n stock carbs. he said something about it being bored out a little. what suck is im the one that sold it to him. its an old 87. back then they ran stronger than the new ones. mines an 06 bought a month ago. sold it to him for 600. he dumoed 2750 into though. but that was a new clutch fixed suspension, spocket, chain rejetted and rebuiling the motor he said. on the videos he beats me by like 3 bike lengths. and i asked the mechanic and he said he dont remember it was a while ago. he would have to tear it down to tell us. :shoothead: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trex banshee Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 sounds like to me you should of just got your stock cylinders ported. It would have been alot cheaper and when you out run him with your trex cylinders (which you will) he could just spend another grand give or take a little and gets cubs and beat you again. But you shouldn't have anything to worry about beatin a stock piped banshee with the trex's. I misunderstood from the beginning, I thought you wanted to get the fastest shit thats out their these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco25 Posted August 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 yeah definitely dont want the fastest shit out. sh*t ill smoke this dude for a while. he doesn't even have enough money to buy new plastics for his bike. and to top it off he just lost his job. maybe in the near future i might have two banshees. keep you guys posted. :beer: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broke Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 I wouldn't be too concerned, T-Rexs can be made to run very hard. I think for what you are looking for, the T-Rex was a better choice than a Cub. A Cub is what it is, a top end monster with port timings that will be marginal down low. I wans't really impressed with the one and only Cub, that I ever got to ride. It was fast, no arguing that, but the powerband just wasn't what I like my motors to be. If I had a place to ride wide open almost all the time, hell yeah, they are fast and cheap. I prefer powervale motors above all others, I think the Cheetah would be a better choice than the Cub. Alot of people seemed to have forgoten that these exist since the Cub was born. If you look into them there isn't a huge difference in price. On paper the Cheetah seems much more expensive until you consider everything it comes with. I have seen some very fast T-Rexs, come to think of it I've never seen a slow one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco25 Posted August 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 from some of the research ive been doing it says that dam lamey is the one that invented the trex. and i guess he really knows his sh*t. from what ive read he has been building motors for over 30 years he also builds the race motor for joe and heather byrd.they supply engine technology and support to various Factory Race Teams and cover every aspect of 2-stroke and now 4-stroke motors. they are also been contracted by OEM manufacturers to develop new products and engine designs for what will be in the showrooms in the future. Very few company's can say the same. they have been involved in creating technology for years.. Many national champions and factory race teams put their trust in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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