Rebel3190 Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 What about these cylinders makes them so much better than regular cylinders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odaen Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 What about these cylinders makes them so much better than regular cylinders? Triple Port Exhaust Nikasil Bore 65 and 68mm Bores and Various Strokes from stock stroke to 14mm. Better cooling They just perform like no other cylinder right out of the box. Do a search on here, this has been discussed many times, including pricing, and all of the required pieces for switching to a cub setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRed350x Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Cubs are the shiznit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decon Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 (edited) Cubs are the shiznit! Yeah I hear they aren't too trail friendly tho :baseball_innocent: :baseball_whistle: Edited July 6, 2006 by dEcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Yeah I hear they aren't too trail friendly tho :baseball_innocent: :baseball_whistle: 80+ HP out of the box normally isn't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fre530d Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 How is the reliability of the cubs ? Will it stay as good as OEM? Do you have to change pistons every 50 hours or so? How 'bout the tranny, can it hold all that violence? GRTZ Fre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Too many answers to that question. When you nearly double the horsepower of a stock motor...shit will break or wear out faster than if you left it 100% bone stock. Nature of the beast, period. You'll have to change the piston as often as it requires...I think BigRed says he gets about 75 hours of use out of his. The nice thing is...it's nikasil. So, as long as you don't lock it up or damage the cylinders, just hone 'em and throw in new pistons. No need to bore, etc. A stock tranny is good up until either 125 or 150 HP...I'm not certain which of those numbers it is. However...the clutch holding up and not slipping like a biyatch is another story.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRed350x Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 I get anywhere from 60-75 hrs out of mine usually. Just hone it and put new rings or new rings/pistons in and you are good to go. Some of the big boys are munching 2nd gear up around 140hp or so. The 14 and 18mil guys I believe. Once you get that high they should be looking at a billet transmission. Expensive, but shit you are already dumping that much money into the stupid thing, do it right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueraiderfan Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 so if you have to put in a new piston every 75 hours or so how much is a piston and how much time does it take ya to put the piston in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 New Piston(s) are generally about 130 to 150 for a set, including new wrist pins and bearings. Cubs have their own base gasket, prolly another 20 bucks. And...lastly, new head gasket, 10 bucks or so. If you have a Noss head or coolhead they use Orings, which...normally I'll reuse once before I replace them. You can get an ORing kit from DLNoss for just under 17 bucks plus shipping. keep in mind, your milage may vary...BigRed will agree he beats the tar out of his...so, if you're easier on yours, you could last 100 hours. You could also last 30 hours... Correct jetting and proper maintenance will always prolong rebuild time (clean air filter, fresh gas and a quality premix oil, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRed350x Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 New Piston(s) are generally about 130 to 150 for a set, including new wrist pins and bearings. Cubs have their own base gasket, prolly another 20 bucks. And...lastly, new head gasket, 10 bucks or so. If you have a Noss head or coolhead they use Orings, which...normally I'll reuse once before I replace them. You can get an ORing kit from DLNoss for just under 17 bucks plus shipping. keep in mind, your milage may vary...BigRed will agree he beats the tar out of his...so, if you're easier on yours, you could last 100 hours. You could also last 30 hours... Correct jetting and proper maintenance will always prolong rebuild time (clean air filter, fresh gas and a quality premix oil, etc.) Watch some of my videos in the images and videos section and you can see how I ride mine. I ride about 4 to 5 days a week for a couple hours every day. All day on weekends. I live 30 miles from some BIG dunes. Mine gets smashed into trees and flipped over doing some crazy hillclimbs at walden about once a month. I do beat the hell out of my banshee, but I take good care of it. For how I ride 75 hrs is pretty good. It takes me about an hour or two to put in a new top end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueraiderfan Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 (edited) Good info guys. Ok another couple questions fer ya. how do you know that it it time does it start somking or loose power or do you just change it when u think it has been about 75 hours? also if you ride that much r u going to be changiing the damn piston's like every month that's just crazy it seems like. another question if you DONT have a cheeta kit or a cub kit how long can u expect to go on a top end like 4-500 hours? (normal riding) Or moore or less? Thanks fer the answers. Edited July 6, 2006 by trueraiderfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 I do beat the hell out of my banshee, but I take good care of it. No doubt...you already know I didn't mean that as a bad thing, you just use your machine, period. I just wanted to clarify that for other readers... I plan on beating the tar out of mine when I get it sorted, just as I did last year. But, I maintain mine pretty well too. Probably overboard...but, that's just the way I've always been. Again, raiderfan...no way to tell for sure. Keep an eye on your compression, those that have been riding a while can tell when their bike is starting to lose some get up... It is easier to maintain the top end than it is to tear apart the cases, rebuild or replace the crank, etc. Not to mention, MUCH cheaper.... There is no exact answer...you get to know your machine and how shee act/runs, and you'll know if something is not right. NO ONE on here can tell you if you do this, expect this much life out of it...knowing your bike and proper maintenance is the key!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueraiderfan Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 No doubt...you already know I didn't mean that as a bad thing, you just use your machine, period. I just wanted to clarify that for other readers... I plan on beating the tar out of mine when I get it sorted, just as I did last year. But, I maintain mine pretty well too. Probably overboard...but, that's just the way I've always been. Again, raiderfan...no way to tell for sure. Keep an eye on your compression, those that have been riding a while can tell when their bike is starting to lose some get up... It is easier to maintain the top end than it is to tear apart the cases, rebuild or replace the crank, etc. Not to mention, MUCH cheaper.... There is no exact answer...you get to know your machine and how shee act/runs, and you'll know if something is not right. NO ONE on here can tell you if you do this, expect this much life out of it...knowing your bike and proper maintenance is the key!! cool man thanks for the info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRed350x Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Good info guys. Ok another couple questions fer ya. how do you know that it it time does it start somking or loose power or do you just change it when u think it has been about 75 hours? also if you ride that much r u going to be changiing the damn piston's like every month that's just crazy it seems like. another question if you DONT have a cheeta kit or a cub kit how long can u expect to go on a top end like 4-500 hours? (normal riding) Or moore or less? Thanks fer the answers. I put a new top end in about once every 2.5-3 months, sometimes more sometimes less. All depends on how much I get to go out and ride. I think I was getting around 100 hours from my stock top end, but it didn't rev up as high as this setup and I didn't romp on it so hard all the time. It all depends on maintenance and what kinda conditions you ride. There's a lot of variables involved with top end life. On a big weekend, like the 4th of july weekend, I will put 25-30 hrs on my shee. I rode from 8am to midnight/1am every night I was down at walden, 3 days straight. Stopped to come back and fill up and grab a drink/food then I was back out riding. That's quite a bit right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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