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I was wondering if anyone has ran 2 stroke boat oil in there banshees. My grandpa has like truck loads of johnson and mercury 2 cycle oil for his boat. He claims its just as good as yamalube or hp2. So is there any differences in it compared to 2 cycle oil for our quads?

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When your grandpa puts an Evinrude or a Johnson outboard in my banshee frame...I'll look you up to buy his bulk oil...

 

Would it do in an absolute pinch? Probably...would I rather sit and watch my buddies ride and have a cold one instead of put that crap in my shee? Most definately....

 

If that were the case...every prosports power shop or motorsports facility would carry that for their quads/dirt bikes requiring premix...

 

Just buy some two stroke oil designed for a bike, not a boat....

 

Maxima, Spectro, Amsoil, Yamalube, Motul...all are fine.

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Dajogejr is right, buy the right oil and be done with it. Your grandfather is right it is a two- stroke oil, however the oils designed for boat motor applications are not designed for the rigors of the high performance quad motor. Do yourself a favor, sell grandpa's stuff on flea-bay and use the money to buy real oil.

 

I mean I got a new wead eater for fathers day, but I am not going to run the little bottle of two-stroke oil that it came with in my Shee.................. :yelrotflmao:

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I mean I got a new wead eater for fathers day, but I am not going to run the little bottle of two-stroke oil that it came with in my Shee.................. :yelrotflmao:

 

However...I do use the same 110 leaded race gas for my shee in my weedeater and lawnmower...

 

Race gas premixed...ahhh...

 

I love the smell of premix in the morning...:)

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I was wondering if anyone has ran 2 stroke boat oil in there banshees. My grandpa has like truck loads of johnson and mercury 2 cycle oil for his boat. He claims its just as good as yamalube or hp2. So is there any differences in it compared to 2 cycle oil for our quads?

 

Honestly, your grandpa is more than likely correct. Reason being is that Johnson, Evinrude, Yamalube etc does not make the oil their label is on. The big name oil comapny's fight for the right to supply the oil for these specefic brand labels. It's knowing who makes the oil and what major oil company uses the most advanced refining processes as well as aditive packages. Most 2 stroke oils from the refiners are all created equal no matter if the label says recommended for 2 stroke atv's, or boats etc. It's all the same stuff. The company with the name chooses how to label and market it. If it's labeled for a specific item, they charge more for it. This goes back to the old debate that Harley's must use Harley oil, yadda yadda, which is a bunch of BS. Most people fall for this type of marketing cause they don't know any better. I'm just fortunate enough to have a dad that has worked in the oil industry for 25 yrs. I get the opportunity to see the test results when company's like Mobil try to tell Ford that their oil is better than Conoco. Then Ford says prove it!! Then they do a month of research and testing and spend countless thousands in testing. This goes far beyond the typical small company's 4 point ball bearing and mar testing they do to convince the lay person. Of course there is more profit and volume of oil sold for these big company's to supply the oil for labels like Ford Motorcraft. That account would be bigger than Amsoil, Golden Spectro and Red Line total sales combined.

 

I like when people say Wal-Mart oil is crap. Thing is their oil at this time is one of the best oil's on the market. Most people have no clue who makes it, they just base it's performance on the bottle it's in. It's hard for some people to think outside the box and most people think when the oil is poured into a bottle, it somehow goes through some kind of transformation. lol

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Its up to you to use it, I probably would, and have in the past. I work at Hallberg Marine here in Wyoming MN and can tell you yes the oil is the same but the additives are different which make up the characteristics of outboard motor oil which is used for the most part at a constant RPM versus a motor allover the powerband such as your bansheee. Your effect on the motor shouldn't be noticeable, as your banshee is more likely to blow up from 500 other things first, jetting, bad tolerances, cheap gas, etc etc.

 

I would run it if the oil is within 5years old or so but chances are your grandpa has had that stuff collecting dust for 25 years along with the 10 horse Johnson that never gets used down in the basement right along side of the oil. your probably better off running Aunt Jemimas sweetend Waffle Syrup in that case.

 

 

 

on somewhat of a different note....

I am looking at a quart of Valvoline 5w-30 motor oil right now and the American Patrolum Institute gives it a rating of SL on my particular bottle. Its a little badge on every quart. It moves from A to Z with farther to the rear of the alphabet being more current in its additives. Not better but just a newer mixture of additives, meeting different standards.

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what type of oil do you use?

 

I use Ford Motorcraft, Conoco, Union 76 (all same oil) specifically in everything I drive cept I use Mobil 1 in the Benz. I'n my rocket I use Mobil 1 15-50, I used that in my banshee for years but switched to Conoco racing 20-50 in the tranny. I use Mobil 1 2t for the pre-mix.

 

Knowing each company's refining process is probably one of the most important factors in choosing the oil you use, especially for you guys that run a non-synthetic pre-mix. Conoco, Chevron, Exxon, & Pennzoil all use a hydro or water refining process where others use a solvent refining process. The hydrocracker process is far superior to solvent refining. This means a more pure base oil (less contaminants). As oil burns in our 2 strokes, the more contaminants an oil has the more build up of the contaminants will be left behind after the oil is burned off. Most people don't or won't take the time to research out this info, I'm just lucky I get to pick the brain of a lubrication engineer from Conoco on a frequent basis. So I frequently get into debates with people about oils because there is so much misinformation floating out there. People are so fixed on the bottle they never really research who and how it's made. 95% of the time a person can buy the same oil straight from the manufacturer and not pay for a 2nd party's label. Meaning the 2nd party doesn't make the oil, they just put their name on it and charge you a little more, hype it up to be a specefic oil for their product like Harley, John Deere, Honda, Yamaha, Evinrude, Cub Cadet and the list could go on and on. So what's really funny about it is, your neighbor using the cheap (Wal-Mart) oil may just be using a better oil than you though you think yours is superior cause it has the so called better 2nd party label on it. Like I said before, Labels don't make the oil, look behind the label and find out exactly what's going on with your oil. Do your research before you slam an oil based on the bottle it's in.

 

 

 

 

BRad, the pictionary avatar is awesome.
Thanks, just some crazy idea I came up with.
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That's good info...Brad.

However...I'm stuck and stubborn in my ways, just as many of us are...I'll keep using what I've been using for years now, that has never given me a lubrication related failure...

 

Funny you mention that...

 

For years (almost 9) I worked for an auto-repair facility...

The first 4 years were spent in the auto centers, from good ol oil changer, to service advisor...to manager. Then, I started working at the corporate office in their IS department.

 

Now...I've been to my fair share for Mobil conventions...they were our partner, along with Goodyear, Napa...etc. All big players.

 

Anyways...

 

When Valvoline first came out with the "Synthetic Blend" motor oil, Mobil dissed them, saying it's like walking down a road. On one side is conventional, the other is sythetic....semi-synthetic is walking down the middle of the road.

 

Low and behold, a few years later....Mobil comes out with their own semi-synthetic.

I guess it just took a few years for their marketing department to catch up.

 

So...I happened to be at a meeting out of state, (setting up a laptop and power point/projector show) and I told the Mobil "Preacher" just that.

 

How is it that just a few years ago, you folks strongly said that semi was a waste of time. It is missing all the key benefits of full synthetics, etc., etc....

 

He stammered for a few...then started out a statement like "our marketing research...." and that's all I had to hear.... They saw an opportuninty to make a few more bucks...and they took it.

 

It was quite funny, Brad...you probably would've been more so entertained....

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Ive used pennzoil, mercury,evenrude outboard oils, in mine even mixed them togehter and my compression hasn't changed. Its an 87 and it will not hurt the motor been ok for 4 years now riding every weekend it just doesn't smell that good but I don't care what it smells like,I am going fast, I don't smell it!!!! :headbang:

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That's good info...Brad.

However...I'm stuck and stubborn in my ways, just as many of us are...I'll keep using what I've been using for years now, that has never given me a lubrication related failure...

 

Funny you mention that...

 

For years (almost 9) I worked for an auto-repair facility...

The first 4 years were spent in the auto centers, from good ol oil changer, to service advisor...to manager. Then, I started working at the corporate office in their IS department.

 

Now...I've been to my fair share for Mobil conventions...they were our partner, along with Goodyear, Napa...etc. All big players.

 

Anyways...

 

When Valvoline first came out with the "Synthetic Blend" motor oil, Mobil dissed them, saying it's like walking down a road. On one side is conventional, the other is sythetic....semi-synthetic is walking down the middle of the road.

 

Low and behold, a few years later....Mobil comes out with their own semi-synthetic.

I guess it just took a few years for their marketing department to catch up.

 

So...I happened to be at a meeting out of state, (setting up a laptop and power point/projector show) and I told the Mobil "Preacher" just that.

 

How is it that just a few years ago, you folks strongly said that semi was a waste of time. It is missing all the key benefits of full synthetics, etc., etc....

 

He stammered for a few...then started out a statement like "our marketing research...." and that's all I had to hear.... They saw an opportuninty to make a few more bucks...and they took it.

 

It was quite funny, Brad...you probably would've been more so entertained....

 

Yea semi-sythetic is an excellent opportunity for oil makers to make money. Reason is there is no governing factors that controls the amount of synthetic oil they have to place in the bottle to label it semi-sythetic. They can add 10% synthetic and charge you 50% more. We would be better off mixing our own and do it at a ratio of 50/50 for the same price and have a better product.

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Yep...that's pretty shitty. It's like...let's take advantage of the guy that doesn't quite want to shell out 4+ bucks a quart for full, but wants something better than your .89 to 1.19 bottle of oil...

 

It was funny to watch that Mobil guy just kinda duh...duh...duh...

The funny thing is, the original guy who said one side of the road, etc., later became our SVP of Operations...he jumped ship from Mobil.

 

Sad...very sad...

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  • 18 years later...

It's terrific that you have a little 2-stroke oil from your grandpa! Certain people do in fact have their Banshees run on marine 2-stroke oils like Johnson and Mercury. However, there are a few considerations to keep in mind. Marine oils are specifically created for certain operating conditions, like prolonged high RPMs and possible water exposure which is different from the needs of a quad.

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