warwgn Posted May 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science We've reached our goal of gathering 10,000 clergy signatures. The next step in our campaign is outlined here. See below to endorse the following letter Click here to learn more about the "Clergy Letter Project" Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 to bad they didnt have the internet and good record keeping back then. 521165[/snapback] I hate to say it but your statement that they didn't have good record keeping just exemplefies your ignorance. You should do a little research on Egyptian and Babylonian history (for one), instead of uttering non-sense. Of course they didn't have the internet but the prophecy of Daniel does tell of the great increase in trasportation and communication, long before anyone could conceive of the internet or combustion engines etc... I don't have the time to pick apart all of your source material but if you would like to pick out, one at a time, perceived contradictions in the Bible, we would be glad to address them point by point, if you will give us time to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helldriver Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 ok 04lle, you casn start with these and i want answers this time when you done with these i have more here are many really obvious contradictions? Theological doctrines: 1. God is satisfied with his works Gen 1:31 God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen 6:6 2. God dwells in chosen temples 2 Chron 7:12,16 God dwells not in temples Acts 7:48 3. God dwells in light Tim 6:16 God dwells in darkness 1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2 4. God is seen and heard Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/ Ex 24:9-11 God is invisible and cannot be heard John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16 5. God is tired and rests Ex 31:17/ Jer 15:6 God is never tired and never rests Is 40:28 6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21 God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8 7. God knows the hearts of men Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3 God tries men to find out what is in their heart Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12 8. God is all powerful Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26 God is not all powerful Judg 1:19 9. God is unchangeable James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19 God is changeable Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/ Ex 33:1,3,17,14 10. God is just and impartial Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25 God is unjust and partial Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12 11. God is the author of evil Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25 God is not the author of evil 1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13 12. God gives freely to those who ask James 1:5/ Luke 11:10 God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving them John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17 13. God is to be found by those who seek him Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17 God is not to be found by those who seek him Prov 1:28 14. God is warlike Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15 God is peaceful Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33 15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19 God is kind, merciful, and good James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/ 1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8 16. God's anger is fierce and endures long Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4 God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5 17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings, sacrifices ,and holy days Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwgn Posted May 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 like you say one at A time. Please educate me. In Genesis 1, Adam is created after other animals; In Genesis 2, he appears before animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helldriver Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 (edited) ya one at a time,, oh this should be good,, and take a looonnngg time,, there are so many condradictions, ,, this i gotta hear Edited May 26, 2006 by helldriver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yfzut Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 disbeleivers-5 beleivers-0 awsome job on last 2 posts. i dont know how there going to answer that, but im sure they will try to use some sill jibber-jabbish shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketboy Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 disbeleivers-5beleivers-0 awsome job on last 2 posts. i dont know how there going to answer that, but im sure they will try to use some sill jibber-jabbish shit. 521189[/snapback] the bible doesnt contradict itself ,itis factual and the so called contradicitons are jus t another way to try tio discredit scripture and is only opinion ,for instance it is said God is invisable to man yet i n another scripture it supposedly says hes not ...well did you thin kin that after reading that thourghly maybe they meant he is visible to all through his works and through the hearts and deeds of men? and the list goes on you take things out of context and maniupulate their interrpretaion and it will surely make it seem odd and contradictry, but it isnt .the bible has maintained its accuracy and the scripture teachigns coincide with each other ,also it should be noted that the old testament was under mosaic law and obviously it was a very odd and wicked world to live in at that time ,but when Jesus entered the scene to die for our sins the mosaic law was no longer to be used . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNBRAD Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 the bible doesnt contradict itself ,itis factual and the so called contradicitons are jus t another way to try tio discredit scripture and is only opinion ,for instance it is said God is invisable to man yet i n another scripture it supposedly says hes not ...well did you thin kin that after reading that thourghly maybe they meant he is visible to all through his works and through the hearts and deeds of men? and the list goes on you take things out of context and maniupulate their interrpretaion and it will surely make it seem odd and contradictry, but it isnt .the bible has maintained its accuracy and the scripture teachigns coincide with each other ,also it should be noted that the old testament was under mosaic law and obviously it was a very odd and wicked world to live in at that time ,but when Jesus entered the scene to die for our sins the mosaic law was no longer to be used . 521193[/snapback] Here's an example: 1. God is satisfied with his works "God saw all that he made, and it was very good." [Gen 1:31] God is dissatisfied with his works. "The Lord was grieved that he had made man on earth, and his heart was filled with pain." [Gen 6:6] This is an obvious case of both/and, for something occurred after Gen 1:31 and before Gen 6:6, namely, the Fall. Evil entered creation as a result of man's volition. One can argue the theological implications elsewhere, as the only relevant point is that this is not an obvious contradiction. When God created, all was good. After man rebelled, God grieved. Remember the Devil will tell men what is black is white and what is white is black. We see exactly that in this room. People take it all out of context, actually as I would expect. It's exactly what the Devil wants them to do, to confuse the hearts of men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helldriver Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 you christians just cant accept the fact that your bible is a condradiction ,, and the entire religion based upon it is the same face it, when your on your death bed,, and no god comes to save you, i guarentte you, you will lokk at everything differently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNBRAD Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 you christians just cant accept the fact that your bible is a condradiction ,, and the entire religion based upon it is the same face it, when your on your death bed,, and no god comes to save you, i guarentte you, you will lokk at everything differently 521205[/snapback] What harm have I done if it's false? What harm have you done if it's true? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helldriver Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 none, cause i will spit in that fuckers eye, i'll gladly take a one way ticket to hell and love every minute of it ive always been into evil shit since day one,, so nothing changes hails!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 i can remember being in the the marines in 1969 sitting in the barricks listening to guys like helldriver rant with there bullshit, when we hit nam and the bullets started flying pussie's like him were dug in crying praying to GOD to save them, they were fucking worthless and we had to nurse them through the war, theres nothing worse than pulling some twat out of a fox hole with shit running down his pant legs, the guys with faith had balls, the rest were pussie's........but like helldriver they talked a good story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helldriver Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 (edited) i love good stories too, and bible is a good one story being the key word here and what is bue douche like a 60 year old shriveled up man? LOL Edited May 26, 2006 by helldriver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooke Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 i love good stories too, and bible is a good one story being the key word here and what is bue douche like a 60 year old shriveled up man? LOL 521221[/snapback] MAN being the key word here. keep talking, youre looking dumber and dumber with each letter you type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helldriver Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 aww brookie like the old wrinkly cock,, LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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