Da Vinci Code

[helldriver]

i still seeNO pysciasl proof of a god,

 

 

just casnt take some books word for it without any proof,,

 

all i see is a religion that takes only parts of the bible,, and twists them into something else,, if you take alook at the bible as a whole,, its violent, hatful, racist, sexist,,,,,

 

hell man all that sounds good to me,,, ok im now a chridtian,, lets go kill someone

 

fuck ya!!

Edited May 25, 2006 by helldriver

[PUSH THE THROTTLE]

A lot of truth to that. A lot of the Devils work continues in the name of God. The wolf in sheeps clothing has a lot of meaning. People put on the face of god with the devil in their heart, a lot of preachers and religions do exactly this. I don't believe in payed ministry at all. If a person can't preach the word of the lord for free, then his heart isn't in it. 

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Word, I tried church once that was in this brand new building. One day during church they up and hand out packets saying that they still owe 1.8 million on the building they are in and that they'd like "donations" so that they can build another 1.5 million addition for classrooms. In order to meet their goal the packet requests that each member contribute $750 and in addition each member was required to solicit donations in the amount of $X0,000 and up depending upon their status or something like that, I can't remember the exact number. For me the packet went in the trash on the way out the door and I've never been back with the exception of a wedding. I was in college at the time as was most of their congregation and I was not working either, I don't know how they could expect $750 each plus the other goals. They were nuts.

[warwgn]

Thats the major down side of religion, all the belief in god and trying to live good is fine by me, but do it on your own terms. When you have organized religion it's just a form of control and a way to gain power, they use fear of god or the devil to get control of you life and your money. This can be seen time and again throughout history.

[PUSH THE THROTTLE]

Thats the major down side of religion, all the belief in god and trying to live good is fine by me, but do it on your own terms. When you have organized religion it's just a form of control and a way to gain power, they use fear of god or the devil to get control of you life and your money. This can be seen time and again throughout history.

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All organized religion is not bad. There's nothing wrong with attending church with other like minded people. I've attended what I consider normal churches way out in no man's land which had small congregations, low operating budgets, no Bose soundsystems etc. I've also been to the brand new state of the art churches that are more sophisticated than a 3D imagineered movie at Disneyworld. There's a huge difference between the two and you can hear it in the message. For me when it comes to religion it has to be back to the basics, I can't stand churches where people go out on Friday and Saturday night making absolute fools of themselves and then attend on Sunday to make up for it.

[Brooke]

oh...... ok, ya got me im a cocksucking, take it in the ass, blazing *****got, whats that got to do with your stupidity, you fuckin moron, its a typist asshole not a typer, you got to be the dumbest fuck ive had the pleasure of insulting in years, i cant even imagine what you do for a living i would asume speed plays a big part in what ever you do, fuckers just dont get this stupid with out some help, maybe you huff paint i could be wrong, but you aint the sharpest tool in the shed i'll give ya that

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omg

 

i love you deuce

 

i picture helldriver as a kinda creepy dude who lives off some sort of unemployment and buys alcohol for all the local underagers to get them to come hang at his house and help him feel cool.

[banshee04le]

ok now im convinced, its all about as real to me as the wizard of oz. it was written to and with more beleivable things.

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There are over 80,000 verses of prophecy in the Bible and 90% have already been fulfilled and proven historically accurate. For example, did you know that Israel was not on the map as a Nation before 1948?

 

Ezekiel's Prophecy of Israel's Rebirth in 1948

 

In the year 592 B.C. in the Babylonian Empire a Hebrew slave named Ezekiel was instructed by an angel to:

"Lie on your left side and put the sin of the house of Israel upon yourself. You are to bear their sin for the number of days you lie on your side. I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin. So for 390 days you will bear the sin of the house of Israel. After you have finished this, lie down again, this time on your right side, and bear the sin of the house of Judah. I have assigned you 40 days, a day for each year." (Ezekiel 4:4-6).

 

At the time of this visitation the Jews were in captivity after being overthrown by the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzer in 606 B.C. This 70 year captivity of the Jews had been prophesied extensively by Isaiah almost 100 years earlier (Isaiah 39:5-7) and (Jeremiah chapt 25&27).

 

Now the prophecy in Ezekiel chapt 4 predicts a total of 430 years of punishment for the nation of Israel. 70 years of this period of punishment are accounted for in the 70 year Babylonian captivity. That leaves 360 more years of punishment unaccounted for. For centuries biblical scholars could find nowhere in history a period of punishment on Israel that could corresponds to the remaining 360 years of punishment.

 

In the book of Leviticus, chapt 26, we are told that if the nation of Israel did not hearken (obey) unto the Lord that she would be punished. Then after being punished, if the nation continued to be in rebellion toward God that the punishment would be multiplied by seven:

 

"If you will not listen to me and carry out all these commands, and if you reject my decrees and abhor my laws and fail to carry out all my commands and so violate my covenant...I will set my face against you so that you will be defeated by your enemies. If after all this you will not listen to me, I will punish you for your sins seven times over." Leviticus 26: 14-22.

 

Recently Biblical scholars have applied this Levitical principle of multiplying Israel's punishment by seven to the remaining 360 years of punishment and found a phenomenal discovery.(4)

 

The Biblical prophetic year in the Jewish calendar is 360 days long. This discovery was made by Sir Robert Anderson in his book The Coming Prince.(5) In fact, all ancient calendars of the world, at one time calculated the year as 360 days. So if you multiple the 360 years of remaining punishment x 360 days/year x 7 times punishment (Levitical principle) = 907,200 days. 907,200 days is 2483.8 years (modern Julian calendar years). So, 907,200 days of punishment remained for the nation of Israel after the 70 year Babylonian captivity. The question is where do you begin calculating the remaining 907,200 days?

 

Servitude of the Nation

There is a Biblical term applied to the nation of Israel called the period of the servitude of the nation. This refers to the period of time that the conquered people of Israel lived through without their own rulership. The people and nation of Israel ceased being a sovereign nation in 606 B.C. And began the first 70 years of servitude at that time. After the 70 year Babylonian captivity they returned to the land but they were ruled over by a succession of empires (Medo-Persian, Greek, Roman) until 70 AD When Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans. Then for the next 18 centuries the Israelites were dispersed among the many nations of the world and for the most part were slaves. To the Jewish mind they lost their sovereignty in 606 B.C. with the Babylonian takeover and didn't regain it until the servitude of the nation ended on May 14, 1948 when Israel again became a nation.

The Babylonian captivity began July 25th 606 B.C. and ended July 23rd 537 B.C. This was the very day that the Medo-Persian emperor Cyrus gave the decree that allowed the Jews to return to Israel. If you begin counting the 907,200 days of remaining punishment from July 23rd 537 B.C., the day of Cyrus' decree and the end of the first 70 years of the servitude, and go foreword 907,200 days you get May 14th 1948.. This was the very day that David Ben Gurion announced to the whole world the official formation of the nation of Israel. Skeptical? Read on.

 

Desolation's of Jerusalem

Another term commonly discussed is the period of the desolation's of Jerusalem. This was the period of time prophesied by the prophets in which the city of Jerusalem would be desolate and 'trodden down by the gentiles". Many people have mistakenly believed that this term was the same period as the Servitude of the nation discussed above. However, this period of the desolation's of Jerusalem did not begin in 606 B.C. when Nebuchadnezzer took the first captives. The desolation's of Jerusalem began with the third siege of Jerusalem with the destruction of the city and the temple. The city and the temple were destroyed on August 18th ,587 B.C. in the third siege of Nebuchadnezzer and the Babylonian army. Exactly seventy Hebrew calendar years later (360 days/year) brings us to August 16th, 518 B.C. If we begin calculating the remaining 907,200 days of punishment from that day it brings us to June 7th ,1967. This is the very day Israel recaptured the city of Jerusalem during the Six day war with Egypt, Jordan and Syria..

 

You may have to read that a couple of times and actually think, but after you do that I have more.

[rocketboy]

before yo u say its all bullshit and shrug it off read this :

 

A man went to a barber shop to have his hair and his beard cut as always. He started to have a good conversation with the barber who attended him. They talked about so many things and various subjects.

 

Eventually, they discussed the subject of God. The barber said: "Look man, I don't believe that God exists."

 

"Why do you say that?" asked the client.

 

"Well, it's so easy, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God does not exist. Oh, tell me, if God existed, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be no suffering, or pain, or so much evil. I can't think of loving a God who would allow all of these things."

 

The client paused in the discussion, he didn't want to respond in a way that would cause an argument. The barber finished his job and the client went out of the shop. Just after he left the barber shop he saw a man in the street with a long hair and beard (it seems that it had been a long time since he had his hair cut and he looked so untidy).

 

Then the client again entered the barber shop and he said to the barber: "You know what? Barbers do not exist."

 

"How can you say they don't exist?" asked the barber. "Well, I am here and I am a barber."

 

"No!" the client exclaimed. "They don't exist, because if they did there would be no people

with long hair and beard like that man who walks in the street out there."

 

"Ah, barbers do exist," said the barber with a smile, "what happens is that people do not come to me."

 

"Exactly!"- affirmed the client. "That's the point. God does exist, what happens is people don't go to Him and they do not look for Him. That's why there's so much pain, evil, and suffering in the world."

[rocketboy]

statistics and factual likely hood of prophecy i n the holy bible:

 

Anyone can make predictions

Edited May 25, 2006 by rocketboy

[banshee04le]

Thats a good one rocketboy.

 

The Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks

 

In a city called Babylon, around the year 537 B.C., a Hebrew slave named Daniel claimed that while deep in prayer he was interrupted by an angel named Gabriel. Daniel had been praying for the people and nation of Israel when the angel stated that he had come to give Daniel "skill and understanding" regarding the future of the nation of Israel.

 

In the book of Daniel 9:24-26 the angel stated:

 

"Seventy sevens are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah. the Prince, there shall be seven sevens and sixty two sevens; the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublesome times. And after the sixty two sevens the Messiah shall be cut off. But not for himself; and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary". Daniel 9:24-26

 

This message pinpointed the time of the coming of the long awaited Messiah.

 

At the time of this visitation Jerusalem was completely desolate. The nation of Israel had been destroyed by the Babylonian empire 70 years earlier. The Hebrew people were, however, about to befreed from seventy years of captivity by the Medo-Persian king Cyrus.

 

The prophecy states that "seventy sevens "are determined for the people of Israel. In Hebrew the word translated as "seven" is shabua which actually means a week of years; much like the English word decade means ten years.

 

Now the prophecy states that Daniel should understand that from the going forth of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Messiah comes that there will be sixty two sevens and seven sevens. Thus if a seven (shabua) is seven years, then 69 sevens is 483 years (69 x 7=483). It is a well established fact that at that time in history all of the known ancient calendars calculated a year as 360 days (Chinese, Mayan, Egyptian, Hebrew, Babylonian ).

 

It is well known that for prophecy the Jews use a 360 day calendar. Therefore, 483 years times 360 days per year equals 173,880 days. Gabriel was telling Daniel that 173,880 days after the command is given to restore and rebuild Jerusalem the Messiah would come.. Remember, at the time of this prophecy the city was desolate.

 

Now, is there anywhere where a command of this sort is given? Yes. In the second chapter of the book of Nehemiah it states that:

 

"In the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of the reign of Artaxerxes, when wine was before him, that I took wine and gave it to the kin. Now I had never been sad in his presence before. Therefore, the king said to me why is your face sad, since you are not sick " (Nehemiah 2:1-2)

 

Nehemiah, went on to explain that he was sad because he had heard a report that the city of his people, Jerusalem, was desolate. Nehemiah requested that he be allowed to go back to Jerusalem and rebuild the city. The king granted his wish on the spot.

 

The Encyclopedia Britannica states that Anaxerxes Longimanus ascended to the throne of the Medo-Persian empire in July 465 B.C. By Hebrew tradition when the day of the month is not specifically stated, it is given to be the first day of that month. So, the day of the decree by Artaxerxes was the first day of the Hebrew month Nisan 445 B.C. The first day of Nisan in 445 B.C. corresponds to the 14th day of March in 445 B.C. This was verified by astronomical calculations in the British Royal observatory and reported by Sir Robert Anderson.(6)

 

Now remember, the prophecy states that 69 weeks of years (173,880 days) after the command goes forth to restore the city of Jerusalem the Messiah will come. If we count 173,880 days foreword from 14th of march, 445 B.C. We come to Sunday, April 6th 32 AD. Again this date was verified by British Royal Observatory.(6)

 

Here's the calculations:

 

March 14th 445 B.C. to March 14th, 32 AD is 476 years. (1 B.C. to 1 AD is one year. there is no year zero) 476 x 365 days per year = 173,740 days Add for leap year = 116 days (three less leap years in four centuries )*** March 14th to April 6th = 24 days total = 173,880 days. *** leap years do not occur in century years unless divisible by 400.

 

What happened on April 6th 32 AD? A humble carpenter rode into the east gate of Jerusalem on a donkey while the crowds cried "Hosanna, hosanna, blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord". This man's name was Jesus of Nazareth. This was the first day that he allowed his followers to proclaim him as their Messiah. He had previously told them that his day had not yet come. This day (April 6th 32 AD is commonly known as palm Sunday. Skeptical? Read on

 

Is there any other way to check the accuracy of this date? Yes. In chapt 3 of the gospel of Luke, a Roman physician. Luke states that in the l5th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar that Jesus was baptized and began his ministry. The Encyclopedia Britannica states that the reign of Caesar Tiberius started on August 19th in the year 14 AD Most scholars believe Jesus was baptized in the fall season. Therefore, the fall of the 15th year of Tiberius' reign would have been 28 AD The day that a Roman ruler ascends to the throne begins his first year. Consequently, according to Luke chapt 3, the ministry of Jesus started with his baptism in the fall of the l5th year of the reign of Caesar Tiberius and lasted 3 1/2 years (4 Passovers). The fourth Passover of his ministry was the day of his crucifixion and would have fallen in the year 32 AD The Passover in the year 32 AD fell on April 10th. The Sunday before that Passover was April 6th.. This day April 6th, 32 AD Was exactly 173,880 days after Artaxerxes gave the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem on March 14, 445 B.C.... These dates are historically sound and have been verified by Royal British Observatory and many other scholars.(6)

 

Daniel's prophecy stated that 483 years(173,880 days) after the command went forth to restore and rebuild Jerusalem the Messiah would be revealed.. That day was April 6th 32 AD, Palm Sunday, the first day Jesus of Nazareth allowed his disciples to proclaim him as Messiah..

 

I know what your thinking. This calculation and prophecy is contrived by over -zealous Christians. However, ancient Jewish Rabbinical writings in the Talmud, which are dated from the time between Daniel and the time of Jesus Christ, reveal without a doubt that the Hebrew scholars recognized this prophecy of Daniel as Messianic. That is referring to the coming of the Messiah.(7)

 

After the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans in 70 AD, Rabbinical writings by Mamonides and other well respected Jewish rabbis discuss their dismay about the Messiah not coming in the first century AD They knew that according to the prophet Daniel, the Messiah was due to come in the early part of that century.. The writings revealed that they knew that the 483 years that the prophet Daniel had prophesied were up. They didn't understand why the Messiah had not yet come.(8)

 

They were counting the years and were expecting the Messiah about the time of the time of Jesus. However, they needed to read Daniel's prophecy further.

 

Daniel states that the Messiah would be "cut off". The word translated cut off "karath" in the ancient Hebrew language literally means to be put to death for a capital crime. Jesus was tried and convicted for blasphemy and insurrection against the Roman empire, both capital crimes.

 

The prophecy then states that after the Messiah is "cut off", the people of the prince who is to come would "destroy the city and the sanctuary". In the year 70 AD ten legions of Roman soldiers under the Roman general Titus destroyed the city of Jerusalem. A Roman historian, named Josephus dramatically records the events of that period of time in Jerusalem. He records that the city was burned to the ground and millions of Jews were killed. Still skeptical? Read on.

 

The book of Isaiah, chapt 53 and Psalm 22 foretold of the rejection and crucifixion of the Messiah hundreds of years before the birth of Jesus. Isaiah 53 states that

 

"He is despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.. He was wounded for our transgressions.. Bruised for our iniquities.. By his stripes we are healed . He was oppressed and afflicted yet he opened not his mouth.. He was cut off from the land of the living.. He poured out his soul unto death, and he was numbered with the transgressors.. He bore the sin of many and made intercession for us.."(Isaiah 53:3-5)

 

This is exactly what happened to Jesus. He was rejected, beaten(stripes), opened not his mouth, crucified next to two transgressors( thieves), and poured out his soul (bled to death). Psalm 22 gives a graphic description of crucifixion 700 years before it was invented by the romans.

 

"I am poured out like water, all my bones are out of joint, my heart is like wax, it has melted within me...My tongue clings to the roof of my mouth.. They pierced my hands and my feet.. They divide my garments among them and for my clothing they cast lots". Psalm 22:14-16,18

 

Finally, in the book of Zechariah 12:10 the Messiah states that when he comes to set up his kingdom in the last days they will mourn when they see me whom they have pierced.

 

Again, ancient Rabbinical writings from the Talmud and Mishna written prior to Jesus' life have shown that there was no doubt that they knew these were all Messianic prophecies.(9)

 

Why did they reject him? Again, writings from before the time of Jesus indicated that they expected the Messiah to be a mighty warrior who would wipe out the Roman empire and set up God's kingdom. Jesus of Nazareth taught them to love their enemies, do good to those who hate you, turn the other cheek, he ate with sinners and he was also highly critical of the Jewish religious leaders, calling them hypocritical, selfish, self-righteous, white washed sepulchers (a real insult 2000 years ago). So they began to conspire to kill him.

 

On April 6th 32 AD As Jesus rode near to the city of Jerusalem he stopped and wept, saying:

 

"If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace. But now they are hid from your eyes." Luke 19:42

Edited May 25, 2006 by banshee04le

[helldriver]

and this is a better one god says its ok to murder and rape in your so called good book

 

Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

 

 

 

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

 

 

 

What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

 

you bible pushers seam to always "skip" over the real bible and just look at parts of it

Edited May 25, 2006 by helldriver

[Brooke]

and this is a better one god says its ok to murder  and rape in your so called good book

 

What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

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how many fucking times are you gonna ask that same question???? you know, they arent waiting for you to hit a magic number before they reply.

 

GET OVER IT

[helldriver]

^^I knew you would respondd to me.. again

 

 

and i will keep askiing until i get a answer,, they quote shit over and over agin,, so now its my turn

Edited May 25, 2006 by helldriver

[Brooke]

^^I knew you would respondd to me.. again

and i will keep  askiing until i get a answer,,  they  quote shit over and over agin,, so now its my turn

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i know, in your head, me responding to you means i want you or something, but it really doesnt. nor do i want your attention. you are nothing but another moron who isnt aware of how moronic he is being. i think of you as an annoying poodle, yapping for attention and/or just to hear yourself yap, and i find joy in hitting you with a stick at every opportunity i get.

 

if there is a god, i pray that you havent yet and will never procreate. the last thing this world needs is more idiots.

[rocketboy]

and this is a better one god says its ok to murder  and rape in your so called good book

 

Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

 

 

 

    As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

 

 

 

What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

 

you bible pushers seam to always "skip" over the real bible and just look at parts of it

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are you high? thats not what duetoronmy says... i have a bible in my lap that is compelete fabrication and twisting of scripture ,10-14 shows when barbaric anti christians try to kill yo u they and their city will die by the sword ,it is way to explain self defense toward the enemy

[helldriver]

umm i also have a bible here,, and that is excatley what it says,, ia slo have another fo spare toliet paper

 

as this quote is also in the bible

 

Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

god allows ex slaves

 

 

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

 

and this one is a good one

 

God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

 

 

 

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB

Edited May 25, 2006 by helldriver