banshee04le Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Like Ali G said. "why doesnt god flex his powers" The god guy never puts on any display of his powers... ever... he never shows up anywhere..... there's hundreds of gods out there that people are worshipping, why doens the real god show up one day and say "hey man, I'm the real deal" Wow you haven't been keeping up very well. Here, I'll help you catch up. Free will seperates us from robots and nothing else. I could build a robot. God "flexing his powers" would affect free will. Over 2/3 of the bible is prophecy and most has already been fulfilled. A lot of people believe that the stage very well may be set in this world for the rest of it to come to pass. A little off subject, but how long do you think the available resources in this world could continue to support our lifestyle demands at the current rate of population growth? Surely you don't think the answer is indefinitely, do you? What solutions do you propose for the inevitable decline of our society? Study much history? What do you think about quantum science and it's implications? What do you think about time as a relative dimension? Do you think that we are one small evolutionary step above monkeys yet at the same time you believe that there is no greater intelligence in the known or unknown universe? What about faith? If you believe that last statement to be true, you base it on faith, because you don't know. What about that? I'm ok, your ok. How's that sound? Lastly, don't you have anything that needs polishing? :biggrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helldriver Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 he Christians' objection to this argument involves freewill. They say that a being must have freewill to be happy. The omnibenevolent God did not wish to create robots, so he gave humans freewill to enable them to experience love and happiness. But the humans used this freewill to choose evil, and introduced imperfection into God's originally perfect universe. God had no control over this decision, so the blame for our imperfect universe is on the humans, not God. Here is why the argument is weak. First, if God is omnipotent, then the assumption that freewill is necessary for happiness is false. If God could make it a rule that only beings with freewill may experience happiness, then he could just as easily have made it a rule that only robots may experience happiness. The latter option is clearly superior, since perfect robots will never make decisions which could render them or their creator unhappy, whereas beings with freewill could. A perfect and omnipotent God who creates beings capable of ruining their own happiness is impossible. Second, even if we were to allow the necessity of freewill for happiness, God could have created humans with freewill who did not have the ability to choose evil, but to choose between several good options. Third, God supposedly has freewill, and yet he does not make imperfect decisions. If humans are miniature images of God, our decisions should likewise be perfect. Also, the occupants of heaven, who presumably must have freewill to be happy, will never use that freewill to make imperfect decisions. Why would the originally perfect humans do differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 You already posted that numbnuts. Great, we'll post the same shit over and over again. :shrug: First, if God is omnipotent, then the assumption that freewill is necessary for happiness is false. If God could make it a rule that only beings with freewill may experience happiness, then he could just as easily have made it a rule that only robots may experience happiness. Who said this is the plane of perfect happiness? Perhaps this is just a spiritual training ground. Just like you failed to finish your scholastic endeavors (flunky), perhaps not everyone makes it to the next grade. Second, even if we were to allow the necessity of freewill for happiness, God could have created humans with freewill who did not have the ability to choose evil, but to choose between several good options. That does not coincide with what we know about the PHYSICAL universe and the laws of opposing forces, now does it? Third, God supposedly has freewill, and yet he does not make imperfect decisions. If humans are miniature images of God, our decisions should likewise be perfect. Also, the occupants of heaven, who presumably must have freewill to be happy, will never use that freewill to make imperfect decisions. Why would the originally perfect humans do differently? Because this is the physical plane of existance where everything is held in balance by opposing forces. Perfect happiness is not possible here because you live and you die, but who is to say that it is not possible on another plane of existance? Current scientific theory does not negate the concept of other planes of existance, in fact it further supports it as a precept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helldriver Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 (edited) It is also written that I was given free will with which to choose if I will go to hell or not. How can you possibly deem something free when you must fear consequences? That completely conflicts with the definition of free. If I were to hold a gun to your head and say Edited October 23, 2006 by helldriver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 the sheep? youre awfully condescending. im disappointed. brooke i knew you would say that :laugh: I thought the religous folk call themselves "sheep". Ya know, "the flock" and "jesus the shepard" along those lines. Fuck man, I even wrote something like "im not trying to be condescending" but decided not to say\type it. In my little mind, I thought.... "no the sheep reference shouldnt offend the religous.... but damn I'll bet Brooke says something about it". :biggrin: sure enough... You called me out before when I replied in this thread as being condescending. But I find it hard to talk about this god stuff and not sound sarcastic. fuck you, Im not being coy either. :laugh: I let HellDriver write back the good long replies like the last one he wrote to 04Le. I just wanna throw out the occasional stupid question like..... "did god create bacteria?" "Did god create the AIDS virus?" I never get an answer to those questions. NEVER. I get mumbo jumbo, but NEVER a factual answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 All it takes, according to Scripture, is knowing about Jesus and not accepting him as Savior. It doesn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helldriver Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 so 04 le, WHY did god flex his muscles when he flodded the earth,m {noahs ark} or when he wiped out sodom and gamorah YET he wont do it now??? maybe becduse he never did those things to begin with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 the sheep? youre awfully condescending. im disappointed. you dont have to be religious to be a conservative. how is it that ive turned into a more tolerant, respectful person and youve gone in the opposite direction? Amen to that! And Meat, you are ALWAYS coy. Meat Posted Today, 12:26 AM fuck you, Im not being coy either. :laugh: ^^^Even THAT is coy. I let HellDriver write back the good long replies like the last one he wrote to 04Le. ^^^And THAT is just you fanning the flames. He copies and pastes everything from satanic websites. He can hardly spell his own name right. I think coy people are pussies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helldriver Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 a picture of the truth :yelrotflmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 o4le your going to hell. If there's a god.... your going to hell. no doubt, straight to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 (edited) Well I have no fear of that, unlike helldriver. Until now, helldriver was the only person in this thread who told anyone that they are going to hell. :shrug: how is it that ive turned into a more tolerant, respectful person and youve gone in the opposite direction? ^^^Aren't you going to answer Brookes question? Edited October 23, 2006 by banshee04le Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helldriver Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 (edited) o4le your going to hell. If there's a god.... your going to hell. no doubt, straight to hell. oh of coarse he is,, he dosent not follow anything that jesus says, as a matter of fact, he delibertly goes against god he preaches, yet dosent follow ONe thing he preaches,, he is VERY satanic god knows hes doomed to hell ahahaha Edited October 23, 2006 by helldriver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 o4le you fuckin POS. I don't say fuckin anything to you for months and when I throw my 2 cents in the argument I get bullshit replies back from you. You say your religious, but your so evil, I can see right through you. There is no way I can debate someone, when their reply to me is a personal attack. you don't know for sure if Im being coy, your judging... just like the religious always do..... and for that.... you'll be going to your hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 o4le you fuckin POS. I don't say fuckin anything to you for months and when I throw my 2 cents in the argument I get bullshit replies back from you. You say your religious, but your so evil, I can see right through you. There is no way I can debate someone, when their reply to me is a personal attack. you don't know for sure if Im being coy, your judging... just like the religious always do..... and for that.... you'll be going to your hell. :yelrotflmao: I expected more from you, but ok Meat. I'm allowed to judge people, just like you are. We both judge people every day and I think your reply is much more evil than anything I have posted. Oh well, have a good evening. :biggrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 QUOTEhow is it that ive turned into a more tolerant, respectful person and youve gone in the opposite direction? ^^^Aren't you going to answer Brookes question? Because Iv found religion and Brooke is still a non-beliver. <---- Coy :woot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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