helldriver Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 now its you and me lets git r done bible boy lets see what you got i just crave this attention come on
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 now its you and me lets git r done bible boy lets see what you got i just crave this attention come on Dance puppet everybody is watching.
helldriver Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 hey i thought you left glad your back bible boy sooo is that all you got???
anton Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 If someone were to come to you today and say, "I am God!", what would you do? Yes, you would immediately ask for proof. Of course you would. And you would not want goofy proof.You would want real, solid, tangible proof. No normal person, and I mean no one, would accept anything less than rock solid proof from a person who claims to be God. Why should it be any different with Jesus? Jesus was a man who claims to be God. If he is God, then he ought to be able to prove it in a real, inimitable way. If he cannot prove it then, quite clearly, he is not God. A Christian would say, "But Jesus HAS proven it! Just look at all of the miracles he did in the Bible! He healed the sick! He changed water into wine! That PROVES that Jesus is the Lord!" Does that make sense to you? Imagine that someone, today, were to come up to you and say, "I am God, and I will prove that I am God by healing the sick and turning water into wine!" What would you say? Be honest. You would not believe this person because: 1. Everyone has seen all sorts of "faith healers" who can "heal" the sick. And we all know that this sort of "healing" is quackery. If it were true, then we would not need doctors, hospitals or prescription medicines. 2. Turning water into wine... Doesn't that sound like something that a B-grade David-Copperfield-wannabe magician would do in a nightclub act? There are a dozen ways that you could stage things to make it look like water is turning into wine. There is no reason why a normal person would accept a magic trick as proof that someone is God. 3. Neither of these miracles can be scientifically tested today. Not one of Jesus' miracles left any tangible evidence for scientists to study. It is as simple as that. If someone claimed to be God today, you would never believe it if the evidence consisted of faith healing and magic tricks. Never. Yet billions of people claim that Jesus' faith healing and magic tricks prove that he is God. Let's imagine that Jesus truly is God. What might he have done to prove it? He could have started by taking one of his most famous quotes from the Bible and acting on it. In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says quite clearly: For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. To prove that he is God, Jesus would have moved a mountain. Especially since it is so easy. And Jesus would have written something down to explain himself. Here's what the first page of Jesus' book might have looked like: My name is Jesus, and I am God. I know there are a lot of people out there who will doubt that I am God, so let me start off by proving it to you. Take a look at Mount Sinai. Everyone knows that, until today, Mount Sinai stood near here. It is the mountain where God, my father, gave Moses the Ten Commandments. Mount Sinai vanished this morning, and what was left in its place was a perfectly smooth, polished stone base measuring four miles square. Hundreds of years from now, people will find that Mount Sinai landed near a place that will be called Newark, New Jersey. When scientists dig into the mountain, they will find that the bottom of the mountain is also completely smooth and polished, and that the bottom of the mountain in New Jersey perfectly matches the polished plain nearby. Scientists will be able to align the mountain and the plain, looking at it rock crystal by rock crystal at a microscopic level. I have said many times that, if you have faith, you can move mountains. I moved Mount Sinai to show how easy it is, and to prove that I am God. I know that that may not be enough, so let me offer a second proof. If you draw a circle, you know that there is distance across the circle. Let us call it the diameter of the circle. There is also a distance around the outside of the circle. Let us call it the circumference. If you divide the circumference by the diameter, you get another number. Let us call it Pi, and its first 6 digits are 3.14159. Pi is an irrational number. It is a number that is made up of an infinite number of non-repeating digits. There will come a day when machines called computers will calculate billions of digits of Pi. If you calculate Pi out to the millionth trillionth digit, here is what you will find: 9823456451237823492278583495083498745.... Now, having proven that I am God to any rational being, through my documentable movement of a mountain and through my foreknowledge of Pi at the millionth trillionth position, here is what I want to say to the human race as your creator, and as the creator of the universe... Wouldn't that be awesome and amazing? If we had such a book, and if Mount Sinai had actually moved, then there would be no questions about Jesus. We would all believe that he is God. How could we not? Imagine what such a book would say on the following pages. A book like that, I am sure, would leave all of us in awe. Why would Jesus not do that? God, supposedly, has already written a book called the Bible. And God, supposedly, has already done all sorts of things according to that book. God, supposedly, parted the Red Sea, carved the Ten Commandments into stone, went to the trouble to incarnate himself, etc. So why not have Jesus write a book, and leave behind real, tangible evidence for all of us to see? For any normal, rational person, the reason is obvious -- God is imaginary. We would not believe that anyone today is God without concrete proof. Jesus doesn't get a pass because he lived 2,000 years ago. Jesus, if he existed at all, was a human being just like you and me. All of the stories in the Bible are just that -- stories.
rkc Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 (edited) Alot of writing for nothing if you can't take on the laws of logic. anton; Did you even read my response to you on this same subject, post #2399? Don't you have the intellectual fortitude to take on real logic. Or are you just the hit and run type. Edited October 12, 2006 by rkc
helldriver Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 haha so reverned rkc,, in other words, he nailed it right ont he head and wHY do you have to insult him, when he NEVER insulted you?? again, reerned rkc, you prove the TRUE nature of the christian ahahaha
Brooke Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 Alot of writing for nothing if you can't take on the laws of logic. anton; Did you even read my response to you on this same subject, post #2399? Don't you have the intellectual fortitude to take on real logic. Or are you just the hit and run type. hes a copy/paste, no comprendo type just like helldriver.
helldriver Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 i know cause it takes alot to copy and paste bible quotes like the bible pushers do
rkc Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 hes a copy/paste, no comprendo type just like helldriver. Brooke long time no respond to. I hope your wrong. :shrug:
helldriver Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 (edited) whaTs FUNNY, IS THAT THE BIBLE pushers cant address what anton says, other than name calling funny Edited October 12, 2006 by helldriver
banshee04le Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 anton, Wouldn't your scenario have serious repercussions on a little thing called free will? Isn't free will what separates us from man made technology like robots and artificial intelligence? How many people do you think the limited resources of the earth can support and for how long? What do you think happened to other civilizations of the past that have left evidence of their advanced state of existence, from knowledge of stellar precession to unfathomable feats of engineering that rival even our own abilities in this day and age? What do you think about the iceberg that is the human mind and all that lies beneath the surface? The bible says that this is not the first go around for the opposing forces of human nature. If God says that faith is what pleases him because it maintains the free will of his creation, who are you to say otherwise? How is it that the bible warns of destruction by means and on a scale that would have been inconceivable before the advent of thermonuclear weapons? 6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. What would you think if someday Russia and China decide to come against Israel and the US with North Korea or Iran as a catalyst, or any of a number of other scenarios? We are pushing hard for globalization and world peace but the fact is that we are very far from it. What if you do hear the noise and see the flash? Let's all hope for the best, but are Christians bothering you in any way? Why don't you just live your life and steer clear of the haters like HD? How'd dat be? It only takes faith the size of a grain of sand. Nothing but love for you here bro.
helldriver Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 (edited) i'm hater?? only when provoked hmm well i only responded to you with hate , beacuse that what you gave me FIRST! the christains are always starting shit, than point the finger somewhere else 04le, why dont you be a man, and stand up for yourself! Edited October 12, 2006 by helldriver
rkc Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 haha so reverned rkc,, in other words, he nailed it right ont he head and wHY do you have to insult him, when he NEVER insulted you?? again, reerned rkc, you prove the TRUE nature of the christian ahahaha You idiot it's only an insult if he doesn't respond to the challenge. Unlike what I did to you. Does everything go over your head! :yelrotflmao:
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