RNBRAD Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Who was that guy back in the late 60's that went around preaching that God was dead? I remember the story where they said he left out in the desert confused and his bones were found some time later. And what about Madalyn Murray O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilDaKid Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Rocketboy. Carbon dating is a proven science. If you are trying to play it off as a tool the evil evolutionists are using to disprove religion you're crazy. You say evolution is based on a book written by a man in the 1800's. Yes, Darwin was the first to "discover" evolution. However it was a detailed, factual based book he wrote in the name of science, not in the face of christianity. The bible is a book written by many men. translated many times, rewritten several times, and this was thousands of years ago, not a couple hundred. As for all the supporting writtings by the romans, babylonians and such. There are many many others completely disproving them. Why didn't you mention them? The only people who argue against evolution are religious people who feel threatened by it. It is a fact that Earth is 4.5 billion years( +- 1%). They get this number by measureing the nuclear decomposition of some isotopes of lead. This is FACT rocketboy, not theory based of a book or stories passed through the ages. If your religion makes your life better because of the morals and values it instills in you and your family then Amen praise the lord, it's a great thing. However, don't close your mind off to fact and truth just because it challenges your normal way of thinking. We don't have concrete proof that any religion is correct or incorrect. We can't prove god exists or doesn't exist. But we can prove that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, we can prove that some form of evolution has and is happening, and some events told to be fact in the bible we know are physically impossible. If you choose to believe that Jesus actually walked on water, made the blind see, turned water into wine and such, then good for you. Honestly though, you can't expect everyone to believe something which not only has no proof supporting it, but has significant amounts of proof disproving it. I've always tried to be openminded about things, maybe you should try that sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Rocketboy. Carbon dating is a proven science. If you are trying to play it off as a tool the evil evolutionists are using to disprove religion you're crazy. You say evolution is based on a book written by a man in the 1800's. Yes, Darwin was the first to "discover" evolution. However it was a detailed, factual based book he wrote in the name of science, not in the face of christianity. The bible is a book written by many men. translated many times, rewritten several times, and this was thousands of years ago, not a couple hundred. As for all the supporting writtings by the romans, babylonians and such. There are many many others completely disproving them. Why didn't you mention them? The only people who argue against evolution are religious people who feel threatened by it. It is a fact that Earth is 4.5 billion years( +- 1%). They get this number by measureing the nuclear decomposition of some isotopes of lead. This is FACT rocketboy, not theory based of a book or stories passed through the ages. If your religion makes your life better because of the morals and values it instills in you and your family then Amen praise the lord, it's a great thing. However, don't close your mind off to fact and truth just because it challenges your normal way of thinking. We don't have concrete proof that any religion is correct or incorrect. We can't prove god exists or doesn't exist. But we can prove that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, we can prove that some form of evolution has and is happening, and some events told to be fact in the bible we know are physically impossible. If you choose to believe that Jesus actually walked on water, made the blind see, turned water into wine and such, then good for you. Honestly though, you can't expect everyone to believe something which not only has no proof supporting it, but has significant amounts of proof disproving it. I've always tried to be openminded about things, maybe you should try that sometime. 520122[/snapback] Can you disprove the fact that if God created Earth, which is not a small feat at all, that he could have created it in a way that it seemed old? Let's use a Chia pet as an example if I were to buy one I'd spread the seed and spend days watching it grow, right? Now if I were God I'd just create a fully grown Chia pet in an instant, now if you were to come look at my Chia pet you would probably think it was weeks old when in reality it's a new creation. You seemingly forget the fact that God can create fossils, isotopes, dinosaurs and whatever. God can be kicking it up in Heaven watching how much time people are spending trying to figure out where a fossilized Dinosaur dick came from and laughing his ass off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwgn Posted May 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 can you disprove it was aliens and not god that did the same thing, and that there really is no god but some advanced race of beings just running an experiment?? I would rather deal with the physical facts we can prove than speculation and opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 I would rather deal with the physical facts we can prove than speculation and opinion. 520126[/snapback] Wait, wait, wait I thought you had physical facts that proved evolution and now you're back on the alien thing? For all you know we are living in some creatures ant farm that the creature put together in it's time yesterday but to us it was 4.5 Billion years ago. Here's the reality you can't prove evolution any better than you can disprove any of the other things I through out but yet you're getting your jollies off by trying to have people say you're right and they're wrong, it isn't going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilDaKid Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 I was only stating the age of the world because rocketboy said that carbon dating was inaccurate. Yes, I understand that if God created the world, he could do it in any way he wishes. He could even started the world with a big bang and then both could be right, believers and evolution. My whole problem, i guess you could say, is that religion is an institution to control people. It always has been, from the egyptians, to the greeks and romans, to the christians. Having said that, i beleive religion has nothing to do with one's spirituality. Religion asks too much from people. To believe in something their way, acknowledge that the other religions are wrong, and do so with no real proof, "just have faith". Sorry, that's not enough for me. And I don't think it's enough for most people. However, science and spirituality can coexist. Religious groups that attack a movie(fictional) because it questions their basic beliefs are outrageous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwgn Posted May 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Wait, wait, wait I thought you had physical facts that proved evolution and now you're back on the alien thing? For all you know we are living in some creatures ant farm that the creature put together in it's time yesterday but to us it was 4.5 Billion years ago. Here's the reality you can't prove evolution any better than you can disprove any of the other things I through out but yet you're getting your jollies off by trying to have people say you're right and they're wrong, it isn't going to happen. 520138[/snapback] nice try but read my post again, it shows how anything is possible if you cant disprove it which is what you are basing your whole argument on, not the fact you have no proof but that we cant disprove your claims. In science the one making the claim has the burden of proof. We say evolution and the big bang is the most likely thing based on the gatherd information and physical evidence and laws of physics, then we show the collected evidenve as proof of our claims. Creationist say we are wrong and it has to be god, but they offer no proof or real evidence to support the claim. Provide the burden of proof for your claims and that doesnt mean trying to dis prove our methods or evidence just to leave a void thats says it must be god. It means show proof of your claim that can be proven in the real world, and repeated as proof. Thats what science does we say here it is, this is why, this is the evidence, this is how we got the results, this is what verifys the results, now have someone else do the same thing to make sure i did it right. SO the burden of proof is on you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 SO the burden of proof is on you!! 520149[/snapback] You aren't a scientist are you? In science you do repeated testing of a series of variables eliminating them and replacing them with a known so on and so forth until all variables have been solved and the experiment can be recreated time and time again under the same conditions without fault. The fact you seem to ignore is that they have been trying for many many years to re-create the big bang and in addition to create life from simple elements and it has never been done. If you'd read the quote I posted from Science Digest you'd have read that over time most sciences have been leading towards the conclusion that evolution alone is not a feasible solution to the scientific unkowns of our universe. Get yourself a subscription it's quite fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odaen Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Does carbon dating prove the Earth is millions of years old? Author: Dr. Kent Hovind Whenever the worldview of evolution is questioned, this topic always comes up. Let me first explain how carbon dating works and then show you the assumptions it is based on. Radiation from the sun strikes the atmosphere of the earth all day long. This energy converts about 21 pounds of nitrogen into radioactive carbon 14. This radioactive carbon 14 slowly decays back into normal, stable nitrogen. Extensive laboratory testing has shown that about half of the C-14 molecules will decay in 5730 years. This is called the half-life. After another 5730 years half of the remaining C-14 will decay leaving only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Does carbon dating prove the Earth is millions of years old? 520160[/snapback] I wondered about that but didn't want to say anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwgn Posted May 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Provide the burden of proof for your claims and that doesnt mean trying to dis prove our methods or evidence just to leave a void thats says it must be god. 520149[/snapback] I guess you missed that part, I am still waiting on your proof??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwgn Posted May 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 (edited) you are wrong on dating the earth try that link for how it's really done!! The most direct means for calculating the Earth's age is a Pb/Pb isochron age, derived from samples of the Earth and meteorites. This involves measurement of three isotopes of lead (Pb-206, Pb-207, and either Pb-208 or Pb-204). A plot is constructed of Pb-206/Pb-204 versus Pb-207/Pb-204. here is an even better link that explains it in great detail......CLICK ME Edited May 24, 2006 by warwgn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwgn Posted May 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 some more info All the major continents contain a core of very old rocks fringed by younger rocks. These cores, called Precambrian shields, are all that remain of the Earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwgn Posted May 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 The fact you seem to ignore is that they have been trying for many many years to re-create the big bang and in addition to create life from simple elements and it has never been done. 520155[/snapback] I ignore it since it is not fact, I have not seen nor heard of anybody trying to re-create the big bang, I think that is just a tad beyond our scope to re produce under controlled conditions. If you really want I can find information on that subject like I did for dating the earth. I would rather have you provide your proof of your claims though, still havent seen any evidence yet!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 I would rather have you provide your proof of your claims though, still havent seen any evidence yet!! 520184[/snapback] Faith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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