banshee04le Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 I'm curious...so we co existed with dinosouars? or were ther no dinosouars? Hello!!! Fred, Barney, Wilma, Betty, Pebbles, Bam-Bam....come on man.
rkc Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 What's magic is that something came from nothing. It takes more faith to be an atheist. Always has always will. Thanks to everyone (almost) for a pretty civil couple of pages!
Shee-Male Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 Hello!!! Fred, Barney, Wilma, Betty, Pebbles, Bam-Bam....come on man. well if earth is only 6000 years old.............
banshee04le Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 well if earth is only 6000 years old............. The bible does not say that the earth is 6000 years old. What is your age Shee-Male? Never mind. The apostle Paul says that 1 day is to God as a thousand years is to us. Like I already pointed out, the first verse of the Bible says "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form and void." THEN comes the 6 "days" of creation. The dinasours came BEFORE the 6 "days" of creation imo.
rjvoight Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 (edited) And if God is creating all of this and there is no one to write it down, how was it recorded?...oh God just said so later...ah I see. Did you know I can leap tall buildings in a single bound, or that I'm bullet proof?...just ask me I'll tell ya so, and be sure to take notes and spread the word of the Almighty RAY!! How old is the earth 04le??.....even if you had to guess. Here is a problem we will not be able to overcome. A fundamental belief is that the Bible is the actual word of God. Yes it was written by men but 100% inspired by God. The men that wrote the Bible were not writing their own words but the words of God himself. That is why the Bible is often called "the word of God". Yes the authors of the Old testament wrote things they did not necessarily witness, but it does not matter because the perfect all knowing creator provided the knowledge. So if a person has that belief nothing you say can change there minds. Just like if you don't believe that we can not change your mind. If the Bible is the word of God which I believe it is, and God is perfect, which he is, and holy and just and rightous then the book containing his words must be the same as Him. I am not trying to convince you of anything, I am simply trying to explain why I and many others think the way we do. I am not even trying to make you understand why we believe it just that we do. RJV Edited August 24, 2006 by rjvoight
helldriver Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 the bible is so full of shit, Plants are made on the third day (Genesis 1:11) before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (Genesis 1:14-19).
rkc Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 (edited) The Bible is not a science book never has been, never will be. Why treat it as such? Just because! As a kid my parents told me never to jump to conclusions. If your not sure what the bible says you might want to try reading it. Don't beat a dead horse.....so what if macro evolution might be true.It still does not negate God by probablity & faith For now though its still theory. For all the proponents here can you tell me why it's still theory? Don't be foolish and say that it's fact it does not follow scientific criterion (yet)! Edited August 24, 2006 by rkc
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 Again this post gets interesting. I've got a question for everybody, can science prove that dinosaurs were alive and roamed the earth? Or can science only say since we found bones they must be from an animal and we assume that they used to roam the earth. As I said before if God created everything he may have created fossils also, from my understanding when he created Adam and Eve they weren't created as babies so why would you assume that he didn't create a world that seemed to be older than it really was?
banshee04le Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 What's magic is that something came from nothing. It takes more faith to be an atheist. Always has always will. Thanks to everyone (almost) for a pretty civil couple of pages! Good point. Here is a short excerpt showing some holes in atheistic theory. Atheism Hits a Brick Wall: The First Law of Thermodynamics By Chuck Missler (From his Book "The Creator Beyond Time and Space") The First Law of Thermodynamics asserts that matter or its energy equivalent can neither be created nor destroyed under natural circumstances.1 One of the logical outcomes of this law is that there is no new matter or energy appearing anywhere in the universe, nor is there any matter being annihilated. All matter and energy in the universe is conserved. Consequently, this law is often referred to as the Law of Conservation of Mass and Energy. Although matter can neither be created nor destroyed, it can be converted from one state to another, i.e. from a liquid to a gas, liquid to solid, solid to gas. The overwhelming experience of experimental physics confirms this First Law to be a fact. As we shall see, this law has enormous implications regarding the origin of matter in our universe. Proton Decay Protons are positively charged particles which reside in the nucleus of every atom. Each proton consists of a least three quarks. For decades it was assumed that protons were eternally stable. However, physicists now believe that quarks decay into antiquarks, pions and positive electrons, and electromagnetic radiation.2 This decay process occurs at a rate of only once per proton per 10^32 years. Consequently, since this process is irreversible, all the atoms in the universe will eventually decay into irretrievable matter. Even though this process of decay will take an enormously long period of time, it is not infinite. Cosmic Evolution and the First Law Skeptics often scoff at the biblical creation account because it invokes a supernatural event for the origin of time, space, and matter. Yet, if we search the field of cosmology in the last one hundred years we find that the theories on the "natural" (as opposed to supernatural) origin of matter are few and far between. There are only two options for the origin of matter: it is either eternal or it appeared at a finite point in the past. With the elucidation of the First Law of Thermodynamics the implications of this debate, as we will see, have been clearly defined. Faced with the evidence of a finite, expanding universe, cosmologists began to look for a way to salvage the existence of an eternal universe. In the 1940's Hermann Bondi, Thomas Gold and Fred Hoyle proposed a mechanism that would allow the expanding universe to still be infinitely old3,4 This model for the universe, called the "Steady State Model," asserts that as the universe expands, hydrogen atoms arise spontaneously from nothing in the deep recesses of space. The result is that the universe appears about the same (in a "steady state") in all ages. In the last forty years this model for the universe has been discredited by a number of scientific discoveries. The first of these has to do with the age of the galaxies. If the universe is infinitely old then we should expect to find galaxies of all ages. However decades of observations reveal that all the visible galaxies in our universe are "middle aged." Secondly, there is no physical (natural) mechanism for the spontaneous origin of hydrogen atoms. In fact, hydrogen atoms have never been observed to appear spontaneously anywhere in the universe.5 Thirdly, Isaac Newton's Law of Inertia declares that a body at rest will remain at rest unless acted upon by an outside force. In the Steady State Model there is no mechanism to explain the motion of the galaxies. The First Law of Thermodynamics is called a "law" because within the bounds of scientific observation it has been proven true beyond all reasonable doubt. In effect, the First Law states that you and I can neither create nor destroy matter. Therefore, it follows that if something which exists (you and I) cannot create matter, then something which doesn't exist cannot create it either! Matter cannot create itself and, in the real world, cannot arise from nothing. Within the bounds of natural law all effects must have a cause.6 Because of this fact, the spontaneous appearance of hydrogen atoms out of nothing (ex nihilo creation) is a definite breach of the First Law of Thermodynamics which asserts that matter, under natural circumstances, can neither be created nor destroyed. Therefore, since it is not a natural event, it is by definition a supernatural event-a miracle! This is, we believe, a rather weak starting point for a materialistic scenario to begin. To avoid this conclusion, a number of physicists have proposed that the laws of physics are different elsewhere in the universe.7 However, this assertion is not supported by even a shred of scientific evidence. Such appeals reveal the lengths that some will go to avoid a finite beginning for the universe. Since matter is not eternal, we are left with only one option- it arose out of nothing at a finite point in the past! Ironically, the scientific materialist who argues that all matter in the universe arose out of nothing is in agreement with the biblical creationist. However, biblical creationists readily admit that the appearance of matter out of nothing was a miracle, performed by a "First Cause" that transcends the physical universe. The scientific materialist, who believes, as Carl Sagan does, that "the Cosmos is all that is, or ever was, or ever will be," is forced to conclude that the Cosmic egg arose from nothingness apart from any causal agent. The atheist immediately protests, "If God made the universe then who made God?" The Bible indicates that God is an eternal, transcendent Spirit.8 Consequently, because time is itself a physical property of the universe which God created, then questions about God's origin are meaningless. This is because God existed before time and He is, therefore, not subject to time-bound concepts such as birth and death. He is outside of time! Furthermore, because God always existed prior to the creation of the universe and the laws by which it is governed, He is not subject to them either. This means that God was never "young" nor is He aging as dictated by the Second Law. He is outside of our space-time domain and outside of the aging effects altogether. At the beginning of the atheist's scenario, there is an equally difficult question. "Who or what made that ball of matter that exploded in the Big Bang?" The answer is that the Cosmic Egg made itself, which is impossible on the basis of natural law. So at the beginning of each model of origins we have unanswerable questions. Atheists may then argue that they are equal starting points. But are they? The creationist's model begins with an infinitely intelligent, omnipotent, transcendent Creator who used intelligent design, expertise or know-how to create everything from the sub-atomic particles to giant redwood trees. Was it a miracle? Absolutely! "In the beginning (time), God created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter)." Genesis 1:1 The atheist's model begins with an even more impressive miracle - the appearance of all matter in the universe from nothing, by no one, and for no reason. A supernatural event. A miracle! However, the atheist does not believe in the outside or transcendent "First Cause" we call God. Therefore, the atheist has no "natural explanation" nor "supernatural explanation" for the origin of space-time and matter. Consequently, the atheistic scenario on the origin of the universe leaves us hanging in a totally dissatisfying position. He begins his model with a supernatural event. This supernatural event, however, is accomplished without a supernatural agent to perform it. Atheism Hits a Second Brick Wall: The Second Law of Thermodynamics
helldriver Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 (edited) i love kit the bible assholes think just cause a book says so, it must be true!!! lol again 04le -loser,, you are going on " scripture says, jesus tells us, the bible says" type shit so i guess every book that was written must be true there are NO evidence to back any of that up and again 04le-loser is using the OT as proof, when he himself said it was to be ingnored,, OR was it just the parts that you dont like??? :yelrotflmao: stupid idiot an i never said i was a athiest anyways Edited August 24, 2006 by helldriver
banshee04le Posted August 24, 2006 Report Posted August 24, 2006 i love kit an i never said i was a athiest anyways I knew you were a fan of David Hasselhof. On the last part, God bless you. Amen.
helldriver Posted August 25, 2006 Report Posted August 25, 2006 (edited) come on 04le-loser,, is that all you got ? i know i can get you to start with your non christain posting, name calling etc,, just like the fake reverned RKC :yelrotflmao: than the next day you wil be talking about how you dont do that stuff Edited August 25, 2006 by helldriver
banshee04le Posted August 25, 2006 Report Posted August 25, 2006 You got me pegged girlfriend. Errr EEE!!! Err
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