Da Vinci Code

[helldriver]

jesus you just confirmed the fact that your a fucking moron, at 37 unless your making 7 figures, at best your fucking some goddamm hag, or what ever you can scrounge up chattin on AOL, yeah torture kill all right, sick vocals on that song, the fucking guy is three keys outta pitch you fucking idiot, your taste in music reflects your knowledge of religion........

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im sorry to hear that you rock out with your cock out to micheal bolton

pussy guy for pussy music

[yfzut]

you know, to want to listen to this kind of music, you first have to think along these lines of a lack of god or say a hate for the church. so you couldnt possibly understand the feeling you get listening to such bands. whatever it is you listen to, you are drawn to it for a reason.

Edited May 23, 2006 by yfzut

[banshee04le]

...you are drawn to it for a reason.

...just not willing to look at the other possibility because of fear of going to hell.

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10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all , specially of those that believe.

1Timothy 4:10

 

6Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: where unto also they were appointed.

1Peter 2:6-8

 

11For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. 12Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brothers righteous. 13Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you. 14We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. 15Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

1John 3:11-15

[Wallrat]

I'd definately agree that the world is a better place because of religious faith. Yes, more wars have been fought and more people killed over religion than any other reason but then there's also countless crimes that weren't commited due to the fear/respect/promise/etc. of a higher power.

 

Enjoy whatever religion (or lack of) that you cling to. But both sides need to "keep thine religion to thineselves!"

[helldriver]

yup the world is better with religion, and for banhee04le, the stupid retard,, here are some bible quotes,, as he likes to quote it

 

this is the real bible

 

real good huh?

 

 

 

2) God's Murders for Stupid Reasons:

 

 

 

Kill Brats

 

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

 

 

 

God Kills the Curious

 

And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

 

 

 

Killed by a Lion

 

Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

 

 

 

Killing the Good Samaritan

 

The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.

 

When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)

 

 

and hees a good one, remember the 10 comandments? thou shall nor covet thhy neighbors wife? well than explaion this?

 

more christian hyprocsy!!!!!! and they approve of baby killing!!!!!

) David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

 

 

 

Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'

 

Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.]

 

 

 

most christians really dont know anything about the bible yet the claim it to bne the golden rule

 

really funny

Edited May 23, 2006 by helldriver

[helldriver]

whatever it is you listen to, you are drawn to it for a reason.

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are we all know why Blue Douche listens to the village people,, he likes to dress up as the cowboy, think hes part of broke back mountian and do the YMCA dance

 

 

[PUSH THE THROTTLE]

i dont practice any form of religion.  i have a good way of life , i have 2 good kids and a wife. only becuase thats what i want. but god did not do this for me, i did.

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Where did you get married and by what?

[warwgn]

Funny thing is sometimes you get different colors from animals for instance my family farm raises purebred cattle my grandfather had black ones and occasionally they'd produce a red one. He kept the red ones seperate and they'd produce more red ones. If you breed the red one back to a black you get either black, red, gray. Genes just do things over time.

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your comparing cows to humans!!! how many black people just suddenly pop out a red or white kid?? not unless the milkman had something to do with it.

 

So the big things that debunk the bible creation story for me:

 

1) All the people of color and different genetics came from just adam and eve?

(oh yeah they had super genes)

 

2) Noahs ark was a massive wooden boat able to hold 2 of every animal, plus all the food, plus enough water, plus enough people to clean and feed all of them, then still have the capacity to stay afloat with all that weight. All of that for 40 days and nights then how long untill the water went down enough to let them all out. This massive ship that was so incredibly built to withstand all that weight and hold all that stuff and it just disappeared off the face of the earth with out so much as a single refrence ever again??

 

3) Why didnt all the chinese and japanese drown, did they build boats too, they have written history accounts that date back further than the bible. And we see no proof of any of this in other places?

 

4) The bible dont say shit about dinosaurs ruling the earth for millions of years, but we have bones to prove that was the case. And for that matter all the factual evidence of man and civilazations before the times of the bibles all together.

 

The reason the bible is so screwed up and doesent make sence is it was written by men of long ago who didnt know shit about the world or the universe, or technology. So it fooled people then and perfect sence, but if you still belive it as fact and cant see through it completly you are a fool. The message and intent of the bible may all be good and spirtual, I have no idea, but if you take it as fact thats crazy. Belive the ideals and the message or the teachings if it makes you feel better, thats the important part anyway I guess. But dont try and make up some bullshit to try and pass it off as fact.

 

And people keep saying evolution and the big bang is impossible since everything would have to be perfect for that to occur. It is all just a lucky shot, there is no reason for it we are all here and alive just because it happened, no reason for it. Thats why we still havent found any other planet like earth yet because it is so rare, it's not like we are 1 out of 10. Do some real research, it is easy, you dont have to interpret the meanings of it, you dont have to have faith in it, you dont have to belive it to see it. It's all in black and white, and can be proven in several other sources. If you want proof go look in any physics book for refrence!!!!!

[PUSH THE THROTTLE]

I was trying to explain that genes do some funky things sometimes. I'm not saying that cows and humans are equal I was simply giving an example.

 

Here's my question to you though, if evolution was working how come there are so many different animals and fish? Evolution is based on the fact that things adapt to their environment but how does it explain why we have cats, dogs, cows, snakes, humans, spiders, birds... how does it explin why there are mammals, fish, reptiles... why do chickens lay eggs, kangaroos have pouches and women have a uterus? Seems like a pretty complex system to come from the same single cell doesn't it.

[warwgn]

everything didnt come from the same cell, your thinking of adam and eve shit.

 

The reason for all the different life is just that, stuff evolved all over the planet at different times and in different conditions from different "cells" to make it simple. Bible thumpers try to equate science like the bible, and make it seem like it comes from one point, which is impossible(adam and eve), eveolution is about adapting to your envionment where ever that is.

[Brooke]

in other words brooke i think he's trying to tell you, he masterbates frequently and is not currently getting any ass, unless he's making some bank........ i think if he does see some ass its over forty, and is nothing to write home about..........

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jesus you just confirmed the fact that your a fucking moron, at 37 unless your making 7 figures, at best your fucking some goddamm hag, or what ever you can scrounge up chattin on AOL, yeah torture kill all right, sick vocals on that song, the fucking guy is three keys outta pitch you fucking idiot, your taste in music reflects your knowledge of religion........

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blue strikes again and hits the nail on the head.

[PUSH THE THROTTLE]

everything didnt come from the same cell, your thinking of adam and eve shit.

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So where did the cells that you think just started popping up all over come from? Or better yet what started the system to create this life? I'm yet to see somthing come to life from nothing.

[warwgn]

So where did the cells that you think just started popping up all over come from? Or better yet what started the system to create this life? I'm yet to see somthing come to life from nothing.

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evolution 1

 

evolution 2

 

here is what the last one says, if you still need more explination I will post more links if your too stupid to find it yourself. Like I said this information is not like the bible and told in bullshit stories with hidden meanings, it's black and white easy to see.

 

hen non-biologists talk about biological evolution they often confuse two different aspects of the definition. On the one hand there is the question of whether or not modern organisms have evolved from older ancestral organisms or whether modern species are continuing to change over time. On the other hand there are questions about the mechanism of the observed changes... how did evolution occur? Biologists consider the existence of biological evolution to be a fact. It can be demonstrated today and the historical evidence for its occurrence in the past is overwhelming. However, biologists readily admit that they are less certain of the exact mechanism of evolution; there are several theories of the mechanism of evolution. Stephen J. Gould has put this as well as anyone else:

 

In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact"--part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess. Thus the power of the creationist argument: evolution is "only" a theory and intense debate now rages about many aspects of the theory. If evolution is worse than a fact, and scientists can't even make up their minds about the theory, then what confidence can we have in it? Indeed, President Reagan echoed this argument before an evangelical group in Dallas when he said (in what I devoutly hope was campaign rhetoric): "Well, it is a theory. It is a scientific theory only, and it has in recent years been challenged in the world of science--that is, not believed in the scientific community to be as infallible as it once was."

Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.

 

Moreover, "fact" doesn't mean "absolute certainty"; there ain't no such animal in an exciting and complex world. The final proofs of logic and mathematics flow deductively from stated premises and achieve certainty only because they are not about the empirical world. Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do (and then attack us falsely for a style of argument that they themselves favor). In science "fact" can only mean "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent." I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms.

 

Evolutionists have been very clear about this distinction of fact and theory from the very beginning, if only because we have always acknowledged how far we are from completely understanding the mechanisms (theory) by which evolution (fact) occurred. Darwin continually emphasized the difference between his two great and separate accomplishments: establishing the fact of evolution, and proposing a theory--natural selection--to explain the mechanism of evolution.

 

- Stephen J. Gould, " Evolution as Fact and Theory"; Discover, May 1981

 

Gould is stating the prevailing view of the scientific community. In other words, the experts on evolution consider it to be a fact. This is not an idea that originated with Gould as the following quotations indicate:

Let me try to make crystal clear what is established beyond reasonable doubt, and what needs further study, about evolution. Evolution as a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant of the evidence or are resistant to evidence, owing to emotional blocks or to plain bigotry. By contrast, the mechanisms that bring evolution about certainly need study and clarification. There are no alternatives to evolution as history that can withstand critical examination. Yet we are constantly learning new and important facts about evolutionary mechanisms.

- Theodosius Dobzhansky "Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution", American Biology Teacher vol. 35 (March 1973) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism, J. Peter Zetterberg ed., ORYX Press, Phoenix AZ 1983

 

Also:

It is time for students of the evolutionary process, especially those who have been misquoted and used by the creationists, to state clearly that evolution is a fact, not theory, and that what is at issue within biology are questions of details of the process and the relative importance of different mechanisms of evolution. It is a fact that the earth with liquid water, is more than 3.6 billion years old. It is a fact that cellular life has been around for at least half of that period and that organized multicellular life is at least 800 million years old. It is a fact that major life forms now on earth were not at all represented in the past. There were no birds or mammals 250 million years ago. It is a fact that major life forms of the past are no longer living. There used to be dinosaurs and Pithecanthropus, and there are none now. It is a fact that all living forms come from previous living forms. Therefore, all present forms of life arose from ancestral forms that were different. Birds arose from nonbirds and humans from nonhumans. No person who pretends to any understanding of the natural world can deny these facts any more than she or he can deny that the earth is round, rotates on its axis, and revolves around the sun.

The controversies about evolution lie in the realm of the relative importance of various forces in molding evolution.

 

- R. C. Lewontin "Evolution/Creation Debate: A Time for Truth" Bioscience 31, 559 (1981) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism, op cit.

 

This concept is also explained in introductory biology books that are used in colleges and universities (and in some of the better high schools). For example, in some of the best such textbooks we find:

Today, nearly all biologists acknowledge that evolution is a fact. The term theory is no longer appropriate except when referring to the various models that attempt to explain how life evolves... it is important to understand that the current questions about how life evolves in no way implies any disagreement over the fact of evolution.

- Neil A. Campbell, Biology 2nd ed., 1990, Benjamin/Cummings, p. 434

 

Also:

Since Darwin's time, massive additional evidence has accumulated supporting the fact of evolution--that all living organisms present on earth today have arisen from earlier forms in the course of earth's long history. Indeed, all of modern biology is an affirmation of this relatedness of the many species of living things and of their gradual divergence from one another over the course of time. Since the publication of The Origin of Species, the important question, scientifically speaking, about evolution has not been whether it has taken place. That is no longer an issue among the vast majority of modern biologists. Today, the central and still fascinating questions for biologists concern the mechanisms by which evolution occurs.

- Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology 5th ed. 1989, Worth Publishers, p. 972

 

One of the best introductory books on evolution (as opposed to introductory biology) is that by Douglas J. Futuyma, and he makes the following comment:

A few words need to be said about the "theory of evolution," which most people take to mean the proposition that organisms have evolved from common ancestors. In everyday speech, "theory" often means a hypothesis or even a mere speculation. But in science, "theory" means "a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles, or causes of something known or observed." as the Oxford English Dictionary defines it. The theory of evolution is a body of interconnected statements about natural selection and the other processes that are thought to cause evolution, just as the atomic theory of chemistry and the Newtonian theory of mechanics are bodies of statements that describe causes of chemical and physical phenomena. In contrast, the statement that organisms have descended with modifications from common ancestors--the historical reality of evolution--is not a theory. It is a fact, as fully as the fact of the earth's revolution about the sun. Like the heliocentric solar system, evolution began as a hypothesis, and achieved "facthood" as the evidence in its favor became so strong that no knowledgeable and unbiased person could deny its reality. No biologist today would think of submitting a paper entitled "New evidence for evolution;" it simply has not been an issue for a century.

- Douglas J. Futuyma, Evolutionary Biology, 2nd ed., 1986, Sinauer Associates, p. 15

 

There are readers of these newsgroups who reject evolution for religious reasons. In general these readers oppose both the fact of evolution and theories of mechanisms, although some anti-evolutionists have come to realize that there is a difference between the two concepts. That is why we see some leading anti-evolutionists admitting to the fact of "microevolution"--they know that evolution can be demonstrated. These readers will not be convinced of the "facthood" of (macro)evolution by any logical argument and it is a waste of time to make the attempt. The best that we can hope for is that they understand the argument that they oppose. Even this simple hope is rarely fulfilled.

There are some readers who are not anti-evolutionist but still claim that evolution is "only" a theory which can't be proven. This group needs to distinguish between the fact that evolution occurs and the theory of the mechanism of evolution.

 

We also need to distinguish between facts that are easy to demonstrate and those that are more circumstantial. Examples of evolution that are readily apparent include the fact that modern populations are evolving and the fact that two closely related species share a common ancestor. The evidence that Homo sapiens and chimpanzees share a recent common ancestor falls into this category. There is so much evidence in support of this aspect of primate evolution that it qualifies as a fact by any common definition of the word "fact."

 

In other cases the available evidence is less strong. For example, the relationships of some of the major phyla are still being worked out. Also, the statement that all organisms have descended from a single common ancestor is strongly supported by the available evidence, and there is no opposing evidence. However, it is not yet appropriate to call this a "fact" since there are reasonable alternatives.

 

Finally, there is an epistemological argument against evolution as fact. Some readers of these newsgroups point out that nothing in science can ever be "proven" and this includes evolution. According to this argument, the probability that evolution is the correct explanation of life as we know it may approach 99.9999...9% but it will never be 100%. Thus evolution cannot be a fact. This kind of argument might be appropriate in a philosophy class (it is essentially correct) but it won't do in the real world. A "fact," as Stephen J. Gould pointed out (see above), means something that is so highly probable that it would be silly not to accept it. This point has also been made by others who contest the nit-picking epistemologists.

 

The honest scientist, like the philosopher, will tell you that nothing whatever can be or has been proved with fully 100% certainty, not even that you or I exist, nor anyone except himself, since he might be dreaming the whole thing. Thus there is no sharp line between speculation, hypothesis, theory, principle, and fact, but only a difference along a sliding scale, in the degree of probability of the idea. When we say a thing is a fact, then, we only mean that its probability is an extremely high one: so high that we are not bothered by doubt about it and are ready to act accordingly. Now in this use of the term fact, the only proper one, evolution is a fact. For the evidence in favor of it is as voluminous, diverse, and convincing as in the case of any other well established fact of science concerning the existence of things that cannot be directly seen, such as atoms, neutrons, or solar gravitation ....

So enormous, ramifying, and consistent has the evidence for evolution become that if anyone could now disprove it, I should have my conception of the orderliness of the universe so shaken as to lead me to doubt even my own existence. If you like, then, I will grant you that in an absolute sense evolution is not a fact, or rather, that it is no more a fact than that you are hearing or reading these words.

 

- H. J. Muller, "One Hundred Years Without Darwin Are Enough" School Science and Mathematics 59, 304-305. (1959) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism op cit.

 

In any meaningful sense evolution is a fact, but there are various theories concerning the mechanism of evolution.

 

 

does that help????? now lets see some information with real facts backing up you bible!!!!!!

[warwgn]

here's some more

 

It is time for students of the evolutionary process, especially those who have been misquoted and used by the creationists, to state clearly that evolution is a fact, not theory, and that what is at issue within biology are questions of details of the process and the relative importance of different mechanisms of evolution. It is a fact that the earth with liquid water, is more than 3.6 billion years old. It is a fact that cellular life has been around for at least half of that period and that organized multicellular life is at least 800 million years old. It is a fact that major life forms now on earth were not at all represented in the past. There were no birds or mammals 250 million years ago. It is a fact that major life forms of the past are no longer living. There used to be dinosaurs and Pithecanthropus, and there are none now. It is a fact that all living forms come from previous living forms. Therefore, all present forms of life arose from ancestral forms that were different. Birds arose from nonbirds and humans from nonhumans. No person who pretends to any understanding of the natural world can deny these facts any more than she or he can deny that the earth is round, rotates on its axis, and revolves around the sun.

The controversies about evolution lie in the realm of the relative importance of various forces in molding evolution.

 

- R. C. Lewontin "Evolution/Creation Debate: A Time for Truth" Bioscience 31, 559 (1981) reprinted in Evolution versus

[PUSH THE THROTTLE]

What did Darwin believe when he died?