Jetting w/ pipes,reeds.k&N

[dajogejr]

Oh...I'm sorry. He's at 2300 feet, even less compression with 22cc domes.

But...don't take my word for it, take Dave Noss' word for it.

 

http://www.nossmachine.com/banshee_heads.htm

 

But...even then, you probably know more than him, too. He's only been doing it for years...so what does he know. No way he can match your wit and knowledge...this being your first banshee, and first serious dealings with a two stroke.

 

Hell...if that user is at 118 to 115PSI, he can probably advance the timing +4 AND run 89 octane gas...

 

Unless his jetting is seriously off....he'll be just fine with pump 91 octane gas and +4 or +5 timing.

Again, go back to your car fourms...leave the toys to the big boys...

[ojcool]

Oh...I'm sorry. He's at 2300 feet, even less compression with 22cc domes.

But...don't take my word for it, take Dave Noss' word for it.

 

http://www.nossmachine.com/banshee_heads.htm

 

But...even then, you probably know more than him, too. He's only been doing it for years...so what does he know. No way he can match your wit and knowledge...this being your first banshee, and first serious dealings with a two stroke.

 

Hell...if that user is at 118 to 115PSI, he can probably advance the timing +4 AND run 89 octane gas...

 

Unless his jetting is seriously off....he'll be just fine with pump 91 octane gas and +4 or +5 timing.

Again, go back to your car fourms...leave the toys to the big boys...

No margin for error... I love how you tell people to tune their bikes on the edge all day long. Only a complete dumbass would take advice from you. You know while you sit in your parents basement all day typing on this forum other people are out there actually working for a living. You think your post count indicates some level of mechanical knowledge. When in reality all it indicates is that you have waaaaaaay too much time on your hands.

The thesis of your argument is always "It's not totally unsafe, just not reccomended".. Don't you think when your giving people advice you should err on the side of caution?

 

Your 29 years old (according to you) and what have you accomplished with your life; other than severe engine damage due to detonation?

 

I have worked part time at a dyno shop for the last two years of my life. You so F'ing stupid that letws see, how you put it. "the a/f ratio changes as the engine revs"........ Well genius people spend thousands of dollars on the dyno trying to prevent as much of that as humanly possible, so once again, You don't understand simple engine mechanics but you feel qualified to give eveyone advice.

And yes, I own a A/F meter, but once again showing how idiotic you are you forget to mention that a Meter by itself can do nothing.... First you need an 02 sensor, and then it also needs to be a wide band sensor, not the kind you find on your moms stationwagon. And then to really tune properly you need to use a data aquisition system to collect the readings and plot them on a chart where you can see the A/F ratio VS RPM. So you can acutally tune the engine. See you have NO IDEA how REAL tuning is done.. You ride around tuning by feel and looking at plugs. Guess what genius PLUGS CAN LIE, I see cars all the time that are running lean on the bottom and rich on the top, when you look at the plugs..... guess what, they look rich as hell but the EGT's (thats Exhaust Gas Temperature genius) are dangerously high.... But that's not important to a guy like you, because so and so said once that this is ok than thats the end all be all for you... Your a one source Historian. Oh and we are not talking about cars right, we're talking about two strokes... Apparently thats the extent of your expertise.

 

You are unbelieveable, you spend hours searching for data to back up your idiotic posts in a pathetic attempt to discredit me. I have been 100% honest about what I do and don't know about 2 stroke engines...

 

So lets review, since the beginning of this thread we have determined that

1) you back up all your statements with links to other peoples web pages

2) you clearly don't have any understanding about how compression ratios work because you think that the ratio changes if the altitude changes (wrong again dumbass)

3) you have no clue how an A/F meter works or what it acutually measures (not to mention what a safe A/F ratio might be)

4) You live in your parents basement and are currently unemployed because you are on this forum basically 24hrs a day.

[dajogejr]

Funny...good stuff.

Allow me to retort...

 

I've been on my own since 17...own my own home, have a good job, etc.

Just because you've been on a dyno before doesn't translate to shit...obviously.

 

If you had a clue, you'd realize you CAN use an air fuel reading on a two stroke.

You CAN'T use an O2 sensor on one? I'm sure you're smart enough to know that the reason for that is because of premix...but, doubt it.

 

I work with computers for a living, securing networks, setting up servers, etc. So...basically while I'm babysitting (how ironic...idiots like you...)...I have time to be on the Internet... It's feast or famine with my job. Bored as hell, or busy as hell. Like I said, correcting you seems to be a much more promising career...it would be busy all the time.

 

1. I backed up my statement with a link to a well respected member of the HQ, who has been doing this for years. I don't need to discredit you...you've already shown you don't know shit.

2. Are you talking about Compression ratio or static compression? You know there is a difference, right? So...let me get this straight...and these are your words. Elevation changes DO NOT change compression? Please tell me that is what you are saying...oh, wait, you already did. That satement right there, ladies and gentlemen, prove what a total tool you are...

3. Do I know what an air/fuel meter is? Yep, sure do. Do I know what it measures? Well...I"m gonna go on a long shot, and say it measures air/fuel mixture spent out the exhaust... Do I get a cookie? Am I close? Since you're the expert...yet didn't know you can run an A/F meter on a two stroke, why don't you tell us the ideal AF measurement for idle, acceleration, and deceleration.

If you knew shit...you'd realize those numbers can not and will not ever be the same.

4. Covered that...

 

My mom's station wagon...good one. Aside from changing careers for myself, I'm going to tell her to drive a short bus, seems picking you up and dropping you off will be a long term position as well.

 

Don't worry...I'll let you dyno the bus...

 

Find another member to chime in that can say I've told someone to tune on the edge...that is my challenge to you.

 

OH...by the way, smart guy...riding and wrenching since I was 7...have yet to blow one up or detonate a motor...

 

You need to stop applying and thinking your "Car" knowledge means shit here...clearly it doesn't.

Part time, huh? I guess sweeping up the shop and cleaning windows didn't gain you much knowledge...huh?

 

Since I've been working on shit for years...I don't have to "research for hours..."...I've actually done the work...

 

Face it...you're losing. This is not a car forum...what knowledge you "think" you have doesn't amount to shit here...and everyone is STILL laughing at you...

 

Go play with an O2 sensor...will ya?

 

Oh, and one more thing...so we are both 100% clear.

 

POST Count has 100% NOTHING to do with one's knowlege... Because I have over 1000 posts doesn't mean jack shit...and I've never said otherwise.

 

Ok...I'm wrong. In your case...your post count just about directly relates to your IQ...my bad...

 

:yankyank:

Edited June 10, 2006 by dajogejr

[ojcool]

Funny...good stuff.

Allow me to retort...

 

I've been on my own since 17...own my own home, have a good job, etc.

Just because you've been on a dyno before doesn't translate to shit...obviously.

 

If you had a clue, you'd realize you CAN use an air fuel reading on a two stroke.

You CAN'T use an O2 sensor on one? I'm sure you're smart enough to know that the reason for that is because of premix...but, doubt it.

 

I work with computers for a living, securing networks, setting up servers, etc. So...basically while I'm babysitting (how ironic...idiots like you...)...I have time to be on the Internet... It's feast or famine with my job. Bored as hell, or busy as hell. Like I said, correcting you seems to be a much more promising career...it would be busy all the time.

 

1. I backed up my statement with a link to a well respected member of the HQ, who has been doing this for years. I don't need to discredit you...you've already shown you don't know shit.

2. Are you talking about Compression ratio or static compression? You know there is a difference, right? So...let me get this straight...and these are your words. Elevation changes DO NOT change compression? Please tell me that is what you are saying...oh, wait, you already did. That satement right there, ladies and gentlemen, prove what a total tool you are...

3. Do I know what an air/fuel meter is? Yep, sure do. Do I know what it measures? Well...I"m gonna go on a long shot, and say it measures air/fuel mixture spent out the exhaust... Do I get a cookie? Am I close? Since you're the expert...yet didn't know you can run an A/F meter on a two stroke, why don't you tell us the ideal AF measurement for idle, acceleration, and deceleration.

If you knew shit...you'd realize those numbers can not and will not ever be the same.

4. Covered that...

 

My mom's station wagon...good one. Aside from changing careers for myself, I'm going to tell her to drive a short bus, seems picking you up and dropping you off will be a long term position as well.

 

Don't worry...I'll let you dyno the bus...

 

Find another member to chime in that can say I've told someone to tune on the edge...that is my challenge to you.

 

OH...by the way, smart guy...riding and wrenching since I was 7...have yet to blow one up or detonate a motor...

 

You need to stop applying and thinking your "Car" knowledge means shit here...clearly it doesn't.

Part time, huh? I guess sweeping up the shop and cleaning windows didn't gain you much knowledge...huh?

 

Since I've been working on shit for years...I don't have to "research for hours..."...I've actually done the work...

 

Face it...you're losing. This is not a car forum...what knowledge you "think" you have doesn't amount to shit here...and everyone is STILL laughing at you...

 

Go play with an O2 sensor...will ya?

 

Oh, and one more thing...so we are both 100% clear.

 

POST Count has 100% NOTHING to do with one's knowlege... Because I have over 1000 posts doesn't mean jack shit...and I've never said otherwise.

 

Ok...I'm wrong. In your case...your post count just about directly relates to your IQ...my bad...

 

:yankyank:

 

 

Nope, Once again your wrong.. an A/F meter is acually measuring how much oxygen is in the exhaust stream. Typical, you type a long winded post with false information. Your A+ certification is NOT the equivalent of a college degree. You really are funny.

 

A/F ratios? Well that really depends on what your doing. Typically I would send out a turbocharged car with a 11:1 A/F ratio with confidence even with a non forged piston, but I have tuned my car to as lean as 12:1 down low to spool the turbo harder. 12:1 would be considered on the edge in my opinion at the top. I would tune a natrually aspirated enegine at 13:1 all day safely even with a cast piston. Supercharged, well that depends greatly on air inlet temperature (intercooled via air to air or chemically) and of course how much timing and what fuel we are tuning with. Of course you don't seem to think timing is an important tuning factor. You may be surprised to see what effect a degree of timing (advanced or retarded) has on A/F ratios through the entire powerband.

 

I noticed Zeitronix says that use with two stroke engines will significantly reduce sensor life. Yeah, oxygen sensor, cause that's what a real A/F ratio meter uses. According to you there is some magic sensor that reads A/F ratios being made somewhere. Unless your talking about tailpipe sniffers which are completly inaccurate useless junk. And I would bet (heres the difference between you an me, I'm not going to ASSUME anything) that they use an 02 sensor anyway but I have never taken the time to investigate that since they are useless junk IMO.

 

A/F at load, I answered, A/F at cruise.... Well if you knew anything you would know that it's competly normal to see ratios as lean as 15:1 to 18:1 at cruise (or decel) on fuel injected engines.

 

Now, explain to your supposed audiance where I have posted ANYTHING that is not completly factual.

You however have been caught more than once saying things that are COMPLETLY FALSE.

You truely are a total asshat.

 

All I have ever said is that you should not give advice unless you know EXACTLY what your talking about... Thats it. Thats what your arguing about. You disagree? Well obviously you do since you have spend so much time posting in this thread.

 

Your humble servent,

 

stu

 

Oh, BTW I like how your little buddy posted that I was a dumbass for running my pilots at 1 1/2 turns out...... Hmmmmm sounds like he knows what he's talking about. If thats your audiance I can't think of a more textbook example of "the blind leading the blind".

 

Nope, Once again your wrong.. an A/F meter is acually measuring how much oxygen is in the exhaust stream. Typical, you type a long winded post with false information. Your A+ certification is NOT the equivalent of a college degree. You really are funny.

 

A/F ratios? Well that really depends on what your doing. Typically I would send out a turbocharged car with a 11:1 A/F ratio with confidence even with a non forged piston, but I have tuned my car to as lean as 12:1 down low to spool the turbo harder. 12:1 would be considered on the edge in my opinion at the top. I would tune a natrually aspirated enegine at 13:1 all day safely even with a cast piston. Supercharged, well that depends greatly on air inlet temperature (intercooled via air to air or chemically) and of course how much timing and what fuel we are tuning with. Of course you don't seem to think timing is an important tuning factor. You may be surprised to see what effect a degree of timing (advanced or retarded) has on A/F ratios through the entire powerband.

 

I noticed Zeitronix says that use with two stroke engines will significantly reduce sensor life. Yeah, oxygen sensor, cause that's what a real A/F ratio meter uses. According to you there is some magic sensor that reads A/F ratios being made somewhere. Unless your talking about tailpipe sniffers which are completly inaccurate useless junk. And I would bet (heres the difference between you an me, I'm not going to ASSUME anything) that they use an 02 sensor anyway but I have never taken the time to investigate that since they are useless junk IMO.

 

A/F at load, I answered, A/F at cruise.... Well if you knew anything you would know that it's competly normal to see ratios as lean as 15:1 to 18:1 at cruise (or decel) on fuel injected engines.

 

Now, explain to your supposed audiance where I have posted ANYTHING that is not completly factual.

You however have been caught more than once saying things that are COMPLETLY FALSE.

You truely are a total asshat.

 

All I have ever said is that you should not give advice unless you know EXACTLY what your talking about... Thats it. Thats what your arguing about. You disagree? Well obviously you do since you have spend so much time posting in this thread.

 

Your humble servent,

 

stu

 

Oh, BTW I like how your little buddy posted that I was a dumbass for running my pilots at 1 1/2 turns out...... Hmmmmm sounds like he knows what he's talking about. If thats your audiance I can't think of a more textbook example of "the blind leading the blind".

 

Also, nice try, I said the compression RATIO is not affected by altitude, but since your grasping at straws you need to feel like your making some progress. Once again, you cannot say ANYTHING I have posted is false.

[dajogejr]

Christ...I've had a few beers...so, I think I'm only 4 times as smart as you now.

 

Honestly, Stu...I'd appreciate it if you started making quad, 3 wheeler or dirt bike references in your posts.

 

This is not a car forum...which you still can't get over. Your post is riddled with car info..dyno info for cars..etc.

 

Yet...you still lack basic knowledge and smarts that it takes to tune a quad/bike.

I...nor can you...give 100% accurate information. Only educated guesses and advice based on one's own findings and experiences. Clearly...you have none.

 

Where did I say an O2 sensor is the only thing an A/F gets it's reading from? Oh...I didn't.

I know you can't work on small engines, but I at least thought you could read...

 

What I said is you can't use an O2 on twostrokes. re-read my post...

 

I'm sure you've posted something factual...somewhere along the lines...about CARS!!

 

Do you lack the basic knowledge to realize this is BansheeHQ...and you know banshees are 2 strokes, and they're 2 stroke ATVs, Quads, fourwheelers...whatever you want to call them?

 

I'm still waiting for you to post something pertinent about a quad, two stroke...or any ATV knowledge at all here.

 

Oh...that's right...you still can't. You still don't even know (to the best of your knowledge) if you can use an A/F on a two stroke.

 

Timing...is an important tuning factor...the poster that told his specs, elevation, motor mods, etc., was perfectly safe to run the timing I suggested given the infomation he gave.

 

If you're such a smart guy...why don't you post something useful about our sport, period?

Instead...you ask basic questions...which normally, I'd be happy to help best I can.

 

However, since you've proved to all you're such an ass clown, and continue to spout off about car/car dyno information that really hasn't helped anyone, except for them to realize you don't have a clue about our sport...I wouldn't help you gap a spark plug.

 

As I said in one of my original posts...go back to your little gay car forums you're so fond of.

 

STILL...you obviously don't know shit about our two strokes or small engines in general...

 

You're really just wasting my time at this point...

[CMAC]

I used to live in lower Wi. Now i live on the Wi. UP MI border. There is a difference in elevetion but usually the rule of thumb is to jet a little richer even though your gaining elevation, the air is usually 10 to 20 degrees colder(meaning the air is more dense, hense more o2 in it) Got this from friends that are engine builders and just thought i would share it.

[ojcool]

Nope.

 

Air is thinner up there...therefore it flows easier, and more fuel (richer jets) must be used to compensate for it...

Wow Really?