BansheeGuy_IV Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I don't discredit your builder's information. Seeing is believing. If your builder provides you with dyno data and you post it... That'll be a start. I am really a firm believer in evidenced based practice. In order for something to be considered efficacious (or lack thereof) it must meet several criteria. There must be enough data to show statistical difference. This data must be collected and calculated in such a way as to have an acceptable level of confidence. (A low p. value) The results should be pertinent and they should provide an explanation for the hypothesis. Most importantly, the data and results should be reproduceable, ie. stand the test of time. I'm not suggesting we design a double-blinded research experiment to test Nology coils. Don't get me wrong, that'd be cool as heck. In reality it isn't feasible without alot of financial support. (:-p). What I am suggesting is that we can at least adhere to some of the principles of evidenced based practice. In order to do this, we at least need to start with some reliable data -- Not word of mouth. BG I agree with your point(s). But I think you missed this part:Yes, he has dyno'd them himself and told me almost verbatim what Dave said in that email. I have 2 motors done by him now, and have yet to find any reason to doubt or discredit him. I don't plan to start now. Peace 487437[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeBrian Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I don't discredit your builder's information. Seeing is believing. If your builder provides you with dyno data and you post it... That'll be a start. I am really a firm believer in evidenced based practice. In order for something to be considered efficacious (or lack thereof) it must meet several criteria. There must be enough data to show statistical difference. This data must be collected and calculated in such a way as to have an acceptable level of confidence. (A low p. value) The results should be pertinent and they should provide an explanation for the hypothesis. Most importantly, the data and results should be reproduceable, ie. stand the test of time. I'm not suggesting we design a double-blinded research experiment to test Nology coils. Don't get me wrong, that'd be cool as heck. In reality it isn't feasible without alot of financial support. (:-p). What I am suggesting is that we can at least adhere to some of the principles of evidenced based practice. In order to do this, we at least need to start with some reliable data -- Not word of mouth. BG 487500[/snapback] Phew!I'm happy i didn't tell you the moon's made of cheeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotts96fast Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Wow...I'm sure someday there will be dyno runs on different setups.To tell the truth.For now we have opinions........Anyways I just ordered one from FAST and will install after I get the shee out for a good ride and see the difference myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNBRAD Posted March 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 And so the same old story go's on...... Boost bottle's Lightened flywheels reeds pipes pistons oil coolant clutches heads spark plugs chains/sprockets I guess coils are no exception as history tends to repeat itself. I sure wouldn't discredit numerous personal experiences based on one builders second hand experience. Now if several builders were coming forward, then yea I would question the product. This is not happening. There's several of the big name builders that recommend and run them on everything they build.Then again not everything works the same on every banshee. A lot of things are trial and error. We know that. There's not a part on my bike that hasn't failed someone out there at some point. Doesn't make it a bad product does it? The key is there is a bigger picture to look at when you want to know about a products performance and reliability. I would never base this solely on one person's view, and discredit everything else I've heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradrs Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 rumor has it dyna recamends the nology coil when you buy one of there ignitions 486585[/snapback] That would be a completely false rumor. Dyna recommends the stock coil, it even says so in the instructions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketboy Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 i think it is like alot of 2 stroke mods they are dependant on each other ,and this hotter coil would be no exception iMO .i can see that some guys have a setup that makes it much less noticable in gains or eve nloss some hp or torque ,while another guy whos engine parameters favor a hotter spark would realize good gains ,theres jus t so many variables to consider for each application . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNBRAD Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 That would be a completely false rumor. Dyna recommends the stock coil, it even says so in the instructions. 489211[/snapback] I recon they recommend the stock coil because Dyna fs was designed and tested for the stock electrical components and hasn't been tested with anything else, by them that is. That also includes the stock stator as well. How many of us use the stock stator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradrs Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 I recon they recommend the stock coil because Dyna fs was designed and tested for the stock electrical components and hasn't been tested with anything else, by them that is. That also includes the stock stator as well. How many of us use the stock stator? Dyna has tested with aftermarket stators, and in several cases works with the manufacturers of those stators to make sure the parts work together well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNBRAD Posted March 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Dyna has tested with aftermarket stators, and in several cases works with the manufacturers of those stators to make sure the parts work together well. 489597[/snapback] Where do they make this statement as to inform prospective customers? Their web site mentioned it had only been tested with the stock electrical components, including the stator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboybanshee Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Just wanted to throw my .02 in since I recently purchased and installed one of these coils. Since I put this coil on, my banshee starts easier, runs smoother, and does accelerate quicker. I can't go as far as saying you'll gain "x" amount of HP with one, but I have noticed a positive change in how my bike performs. I won't know if or how much HP gain I received from it, simply because I don't have any dyno time before the coil....with the results that I have first handedly experienced, I cannot imagine losing any HP with this coil. You may not gain much or anything, but I simply cannot fathom taking a loss. I'm by far no expert, but I can vouch from first hand experience that this coil did improve the performance of my bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23champ Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 LOL Tell ya what, grab your stock coil wire and kick it over then grab a NOLOGY one and let us now which one knocks your dick in the dirt! 487044[/snapback] I don't know about the NOLOGY coil, but believe me.....the stock one does ONE HELL OF A JOB OF IT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradrs Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Where do they make this statement as to inform prospective customers? Their web site mentioned it had only been tested with the stock electrical components, including the stator. 489818[/snapback] Call them and ask. The instructions state for best results, use the stock stuff, because that was what Dynatek designed it to work with. But if people start reporting issues using it with other parts, then Dyna will usually do some research to figure out the problem, and any possible solutions. The guy who designed the banshee ignition, Brad, could probably tell you off the top of his head. Actually, he just did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 The guy who designed the banshee ignition, Brad, could probably tell you off the top of his head. Actually, he just did. 489883[/snapback] Well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justintoxicated Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 I thgouth this sounded great at first but i will no longer be getting one. I would imagine most problems from the stock ignition are from bad coil wires, not the ignition itself. When it Talked to the Nology guys at the Sand Sports Super Show they informed me that this mod will help if I am running racing fuel, followed by telling me that Racing fuel will make your bike run HOTTER, and the nology coil will prevent it from getting too hot! I just said ok thank you and walked away... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotts96fast Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 I just fired the shee up after installing the nology coil with hotwires and still have the stock CDI.All I can say it was worth IT!!!I didn't even get the shee out of the garage and it's a stronger smoother running motor!! I'm running the be8gv's plugs. A++++++++ and than some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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