Speedie Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 I'm looking to building a new Banshee. I don't want a MX or Drag specific bike. My I idea was to take a dune bike and built it up more, but still be able to run cool and ride trails/woods. Here's what I had in mind a Cub with a 4 or 7mm stroker. With a 4 to 6 inch extended swing arm. Maybe Elkas up front with stock length swing arms(don't want to go wider, because it's going to be longer and It would be to big for trails than). I want something I can ride in the woods and drag race well on pavement. I want it to be a better drag racer than MX'er. Can you guys give me more ideas? Would a long rod help? Or do I need to have one anyway, because of the stroker crank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjfizzle51 Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 (edited) i would hate to say this but it might be cheaper to just get a used 450 if you want all around if you want a duner that ripps ass get a shee for sure Edited January 28, 2006 by jjfizzle51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Seems as though you'd be best off making a woods/MX machine with say 60-70 HP so that you can still drag. Get the -2 swinger +1 forward arms and you'll learn to keep the front down so that you can drag most other bikes. The only thing that would beat you is a faster Shee. I'm not seeing a +4 swinger on trails as being fun at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedie Posted January 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 i would hate to say this but it might be cheaper to just get a used 450 if you want all around if you want a duner that ripps ass get a shee for sure 465346[/snapback] Your ban from any more of my post!!! JK. My choices were to take a duner and built up the motor or take a mx'er and built it up. I'm getting the duner for sure and maybe an mx'er I thinking about using parts off the mx'er and building the duner up more. Then I could take the parts left over and build another bike and sell it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton eyed Joe Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 I'm not seeing a +4 swinger on trails as being fun at all. 465356[/snapback] So what you're saying is a +4 wouldn't be trail friendly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 So what you're saying is a +4 wouldn't be trail friendly? 465359[/snapback] Yep, you pretty much hit the whore in the hole on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helldriver Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 i run a +2 and run hills, sand, and wooded trails and have no problems but a +4 might be a handful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shee-Male Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Yep, you pretty much hit the whore in the hole on that one. 465361[/snapback] Thats funny!, I'm totally using that one! Maybee a stok length swinger would do the trick, a -2 would make it a mad wheely machine. You can make a lot of power with just the 350cc, maybee run a long rod and some CPI inframes, but no matter what it will come down to porting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedie Posted January 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Thats funny!, I'm totally using that one! Maybee a stok length swinger would do the trick, a -2 would make it a mad wheely machine. You can make a lot of power with just the 350cc, maybee run a long rod and some CPI inframes, but no matter what it will come down to porting! 465396[/snapback] So what would make more hp, a 68mm cub with a mild port or stock cylinders with a drag port? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIRST BANSHEE Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 So what would make more hp, a 68mm cub with a mild port or stock cylinders with a drag port? 465407[/snapback] I don't think cubs come with a mild port, think there balls to the wall out of the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 I don't think cubs come with a mild port, think there balls to the wall out of the box. 465410[/snapback] That's not completely correct you can "detune" a cub setup so that it will make about the same power as a portjob on your stock cylinders which would cost you about 1/5th the price of the cub setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton eyed Joe Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 That's not completely correct you can "detune" a cub setup so that it will make about the same power as a portjob on your stock cylinders which would cost you about 1/5th the price of the cub setup. 465470[/snapback] I think now would be the time to link to that 40 page argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 I think now would be the time to link to that 40 page argument. 465482[/snapback] haha yea. like ive said before. no sense in buyin a cub setup for the woods when you can spend about 250 bucks on a good woods port. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedie Posted January 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Why would anyone want to dedune a cub. That's like getting breast implants and going with an A-cup. So I know now that the cub will be the same as a stock cylinders with woods port. Right? But how would it do against a drag port? Haven't any of you cub guys race a drag ported stock cylinder or vice versa? Another question how would the club do with a 4mm stroker vs the drag ported stocker with a 7mm stroker. The type of woods riding I do I think I'd be okay with the 6 inch swinger already on the bike. We don't ride tight trails, mostly hills. I'm not going to be hitting trees or going around sharp corners. The group I ride with all ride Predators and Yfz's and when it come to all flat out speed thought the woods I'm usually the one in front and having to wait on them. I don't want to set this bike up for just woods. I ride long open fireroads, country roads(legal here in Indiana), extreme hills, large open fields and I'll drag race on pavement alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Why would anyone want to dedune a cub. That's like getting breast implants and going with an A-cup. So I know now that the cub will be the same as a stock cylinders with woods port. Right? cubs are nothing like stock cylinders. its gonna take a highly ported oem cylinder to keep up with a plain on cast only cub setup.. But how would it do against a drag port? Haven't any of you cub guys race a drag ported stock cylinder or vice versa? the cubs are killin most of the oem cylinder motors. oem stuff is old and outdated. the cubs are the thing to do now. oem shit takes a lot of porting and setup to do what cast only cubs are doing. Another question how would the club do with a 4mm stroker vs the drag ported stocker with a 7mm stroker. the 4mm cubs are gonna run awesome. theres a lot of guys here that have them. 7mm will make more power. depends on where u go. on a big ass sand hill the torque of the 7mm will prolly outshine the 4mm. on the track the 4mm are running as fast and faster than 7mm.. The type of woods riding I do I think I'd be okay with the 6 inch swinger already on the bike. We don't ride tight trails, mostly hills. I'm not going to be hitting trees or going around sharp corners. The group I ride with all ride Predators and Yfz's and when it come to all flat out speed thought the woods I'm usually the one in front and having to wait on them. if u get cubs you are really going to be waiting on them... I don't want to set this bike up for just woods. I ride long open fireroads, country roads(legal here in Indiana), extreme hills, large open fields and I'll drag race on pavement alot. 465516[/snapback] well then go with cubs. 4mm would prolly be your best bet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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