PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Definitely worth the $350 464889[/snapback] What ever trips your trigger. But I wouldn't buy a product from a company that keeps changing their name, you see how that warranty treats you next time they change their legal identity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazinOne Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 What ever trips your trigger. But I wouldn't buy a product from a company that keeps changing their name, you see how that warranty treats you next time they change their legal identity. 464890[/snapback] But you would buy a product from a guy who discredits his competion.That too is a no-no in business.Number one rule of thumb in owning a business is never talk bad about your competition.You can claim that you make a better product,but don't bash theirs. All your going by is word of mouth,I can tell you of 3 hard ridden banshees that still have their original full flights on them with no complaints.Anyone who's ever ran a business can tell you.You can please some of the people some of the time,but you can't please all of the people all of the time. I thought the G-Force axle was a pile too,until I bought one and spent all summer thrashing it.Best 200 i ever spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Gary was simply trying to keep us safe. Notice he was a member here long before he posted that. If you were here and heard all the problems with the ugly arms made by the same guy you'd understand. Gary didn't want anybody going out and getting hurt and I would hope all companies would do the same. There's other posts about how they are junk from people who bought them so I hardly think it's just word of mouth. Also Gary has some of the best welds I have ever seen and stands behind his products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazinOne Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Gary was simply trying to keep us safe. Notice he was a member here long before he posted that. If you were here and heard all the problems with the ugly arms made by the same guy you'd understand. Gary didn't want anybody going out and getting hurt and I would hope all companies would do the same. There's other posts about how they are junk from people who bought them so I hardly think it's just word of mouth. Also Gary has some of the best welds I have ever seen and stands behind his products. 464900[/snapback] No,gary was trying to sell his a-arms.If you spent some time doing a little research rather than copy and paste,you would see that the guy that made ugly is not the same guy who makes full flight.If you seen the a-arms in person you would not discredit their worthiness or weld quality.Im a welder by trade so i have some insight.Obviously gary is the type to bash his competitors,thats ok cause its his right,but knowing that,i wouldnt spend a dime on anything he has to offer.i used to think the same way until i had to choose between showing off all the money i spent or the next best thing.not all of our pockets are deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 No,gary was trying to sell his a-arms.If you spent some time doing a little research rather than copy and paste,you would see that the guy that made ugly is not the same guy who makes full flight.If you seen the a-arms in person you would not discredit their worthiness or weld quality.Im a welder by trade so i have some insight.Obviously gary is the type to bash his competitors,thats ok cause its his right,but knowing that,i wouldnt spend a dime on anything he has to offer.i used to think the same way until i had to choose between showing off all the money i spent or the next best thing.not all of our pockets are deep. 464905[/snapback] If your such a good welder and you needed arms you should have made them youself. You come on here with your 5 posts and talk about somebody who has sold suspension parts to many guys on here and I haven't heard one bad thing about them. I have a full Quicksand setup now and everytime I look at the product I'm very impressed, I work daily with weldments and have taken classes at Lincoln electric on weld quality his stuff is top notch. As I said before many people had lot's of problems with ugly arms and others have had problems with full flight. I respect the opinion of builders on the HQ as do many others wether it be Jim @ passion, Dan @ patriot, Jeff @ fast, Gary @ Quicksand they've earned the right to say what ever they wanted and especially when somebody is trying to help others in terms of money or safety there's nothing wrong with it. That's the great thing about the HQ if a business comes on and sells junk people will know and hopefully others won't have the same problem. I'm glad you like your arms that's great and hopefully you won't break them landing an 80' double. I posted the link to the review because I felt people should know there were problems if they have been fixed that's great but others who are considering them should atleast know there were problems in the past. When I bought my arms I considered Roll, Janssen, Quicksand, Denton, Lonestar and some others I looked at price, satisfaction and options Quicksand got my order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazinOne Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 If your such a good welder and you needed arms you should have made them youself. You come on here with your 5 posts and talk about somebody who has sold suspension parts to many guys on here and I haven't heard one bad thing about them. I have a full Quicksand setup now and everytime I look at the product I'm very impressed, I work daily with weldments and have taken classes at Lincoln electric on weld quality his stuff is top notch. As I said before many people had lot's of problems with ugly arms and others have had problems with full flight. I respect the opinion of builders on the HQ as do many others wether it be Jim @ passion, Dan @ patriot, Jeff @ fast, Gary @ Quicksand they've earned the right to say what ever they wanted and especially when somebody is trying to help others in terms of money or safety there's nothing wrong with it. That's the great thing about the HQ if a business comes on and sells junk people will know and hopefully others won't have the same problem. I'm glad you like your arms that's great and hopefully you won't break them landing an 80' double. I posted the link to the review because I felt people should know there were problems if they have been fixed that's great but others who are considering them should atleast know there were problems in the past. When I bought my arms I considered Roll, Janssen, Quicksand, Denton, Lonestar and some others I looked at price, satisfaction and options Quicksand got my order. 464918[/snapback] learn how to land 80 ft doubles and even the less popular brands you claim are junk will hold up.I never said garys products were no good.I know people with quicksand a-arms and they have no complaints.I just said he has no class if he bashes his competition.If his product was really that good,he would not have to downplay his competition.Any real business man will tell you that.Think about it.I'm just telling you my experience and the experience of a couple others who run those a-arms.You don't have to justify to me why you spent all that money on your a-arms.I'm justa guy with 6 measly posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CombatTalon2 Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 learn how to land 80 ft doubles and even the less popular brands you claim are junk will hold up.I never said garys products were no good.I know people with quicksand a-arms and they have no complaints.I just said he has no class if he bashes his competition.If his product was really that good,he would not have to downplay his competition.Any real business man will tell you that.Think about it.I'm just telling you my experience and the experience of a couple others who run those a-arms.You don't have to justify to me why you spent all that money on your a-arms.I'm justa guy with 6 measly posts 464939[/snapback] The only reason that gary said anything bad about Full Flight (Ugly) is because he personally had seen a few sets that had horrible welds. He concluded that they were a safety concerne to the people on this board. Gary builds banshee stuff because he is a rider. He produces a very high quality product and stands behind it 100%. Thats more than alot of people can say. He is most certainly not bashing another product to sell parts. He has more than enough work to keep him busy. I personally know gary and have spent alot of time with him in his shop and in the dunes. He is one of the most stand up guys I have ever met. I respect him as a machinist and as a person.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellison445 Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 Lets see some pics of your setup, since you such a great welder and A arm expert You come on here bashing a guy for looking out for fellow HQ members safety, yet you have 6 posts Tell US, what do you bring to the table? I clearly recall gary even telling people to buy any other brand beside the full flights, How is that pushing his product on someone else? You might want to introduce yourself to the search button before you go running your jibs learn how to land 80 ft doubles and even the less popular brands you claim are junk will hold up.I never said garys products were no good.I know people with quicksand a-arms and they have no complaints.I just said he has no class if he bashes his competition.If his product was really that good,he would not have to downplay his competition.Any real business man will tell you that.Think about it.I'm just telling you my experience and the experience of a couple others who run those a-arms.You don't have to justify to me why you spent all that money on your a-arms.I'm justa guy with 6 measly posts 464939[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shee-Male Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 My riding buddy just got his full flights last week and they look pretty decent but the PC (if it is even PC) is pretty poo, but the fact that they are so much thicker, and better quality material then stock makes them tough enough for most of us riders, I recently got my lonestar arms from MIAMIRIDER and they are a very nice peice I just wish they had grease zerks on the lowers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 No,gary was trying to sell his a-arms.464905[/snapback] I took the time to re-read Gary's post and not one time did he say anything about Quicksand. I don't see anywhere in there where he gave the address or phone number for his business either. Most people would not have known who that was. He did tell somebody to give him a call so he could help them out and that's it I see nothing drumming up business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazinOne Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 I took the time to re-read Gary's post and not one time did he say anything about Quicksand. I don't see anywhere in there where he gave the address or phone number for his business either. Most people would not have known who that was. He did tell somebody to give him a call so he could help them out and that's it I see nothing drumming up business. 465131[/snapback] Theres nothing wrong with trying pushing your product,but theres ways one should go about it. Lets take Rocket pipes for an example,I see some people are disgusted with them and feel they are cheap pieces of shit.Others say they are the best pipes around.Now I don't know the whole story behind rockets,but from what I can compile they are junk.this may be in part to the new ownership,i don't know the whole story.So i should just assume rockets are junk and invest in cpi?What happens if rockets change ownership again for the better.Shall we just assume its still the same shitty pipe builder. Call cpi and ask them how there pipe compares to rockets,i guarantee they will claim they make a better pipe,not claim that rockets are cheap POS.Understand were i'm coming from.In business theres a certain way you do things and certain ways you don't.I've got a brand new set of Fullflights for my raptor.i will try to take some pics and post up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVickroy Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Hey I'm a newb here but I am thinking of buying a new set of A-arms also. I see the lower end Full Flights are steel. Do you need chromoly? Are factory arms chromoly? If so, I think the Janssen's are $425(seems to be the best buy). What about the Jannsen product? Is it as good as these others you are talking about? Another question- Elka's come with and without rezzies on the front. Why would you need them? Shed some insight please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattw204 Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 it doesnt matter who said what, just get what you think will be good for you.The full flight a-arms that i own are pretty tuff. The welds are clean and stong and the tubing is thick. i personally havnt had a problem with my PCing. I say if your just a hardcore rec. rider then go with them.......if your a hardcore racer then go with something that makes you feel ''better'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbanshee8 Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 The Janssen a arms, require spindle reaming, before they can be installed. If you get the heavy duty tie rods, you will also have to ream the bottom of your steering stem. It's a lot of work, and you can never run any other a arms, unless they have the big ball joints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borracho424 Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Hey I'm a newb here but I am thinking of buying a new set of A-arms also. I see the lower end Full Flights are steel. Do you need chromoly? Are factory arms chromoly? If so, I think the Janssen's are $425(seems to be the best buy). What about the Jannsen product? Is it as good as these others you are talking about? Another question- Elka's come with and without rezzies on the front. Why would you need them? Shed some insight please. 465781[/snapback] Yo man, I have full flights on my 96. They are strong, much stornger than stock. I am a rec rider, who does some small jumps. I am not going to come in here like most and say I just 30-40 feet. I don't. 10-15 MAX. The full flights are strong enough for me. I jump and ride harder with these a-arms than I ever could with the stockers, and I went through two upper a-arms (stockers). I had a couple of questioms when I was mounting them. I called the guy, he called me back and squared me up. I have no complaints. Rezzies on shocks just hold more fluid, oil, notrogen, etc. whatever. They don't fade from heat as easily. I don't have rezzies on my works steelers, but have never noticed any fade or drop off. Buy Elka's or Works non-rezzies, you can upgrade them to rezzies later if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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