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BIG PROBLEM with banshee idle, maybe t.o.r.s?


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Hello,

 

This is my first post on this site so I am hoping for some good advice. It all started yesterday when I went for a ride.When I first started it up and warmed it up for a little bit, it would backfire right before it would hit the powerband. This has never happened before. It has very few hours on it so I dought the rings are bad. Things even got worse at the end of my ride. By the end of the ride the backfiring (a loud boom out the exhaust) went away but now there was a new problem. When in nuetral if I would push the throttle 1/4 of the way or less and the motor would redline and would continue to do this even when I let off the throttle. However, the most weird part is that when it would go full throttle by itself when I shut both the key and switch to off the motor would still run at full throttle :o I finally got it to come back down when i blirped the throttle. This is very weird, it is the first time it has happened to me and I would think when you would shut the ignition off that the motor would quit, but it doesn't! I have heard of many problems with the tors going bad so I was thinking this might be the problem. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Hello,

 

    This is my first post on this site so I am hoping for some good advice. It all started yesterday when I went for a ride.When I first started it up and warmed it up for a little bit, it would backfire right before it would hit the powerband. This has never happened before. It has very few hours on it so I dought the rings are bad. Things even got worse at the end of my ride. By the end of the ride the backfiring (a loud boom out the exhaust) went away but now there was a new problem. When in nuetral if I would push the throttle 1/4 of the way or less and the motor would redline and would continue to do this even when I let off the throttle. However, the most weird part is that when it would go full throttle by itself when I shut both the key and switch to off the motor would still run at full throttle :o  I finally got it to come back down when i blirped the throttle. This is very weird, it is the first time it has happened to me and I would think when you would shut the ignition off that the motor would quit, but it doesn't! I have heard of many problems with the tors going bad so I was thinking this might be the problem. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks

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unplug the tors at the carbs & unplug the wires going to the parking brake. this should eliminate any tors problems.

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Hello,

 

    This is my first post on this site so I am hoping for some good advice. It all started yesterday when I went for a ride.When I first started it up and warmed it up for a little bit, it would backfire right before it would hit the powerband. This has never happened before. It has very few hours on it so I dought the rings are bad. Things even got worse at the end of my ride. By the end of the ride the backfiring (a loud boom out the exhaust) went away but now there was a new problem. When in nuetral if I would push the throttle 1/4 of the way or less and the motor would redline and would continue to do this even when I let off the throttle. However, the most weird part is that when it would go full throttle by itself when I shut both the key and switch to off the motor would still run at full throttle :o  I finally got it to come back down when i blirped the throttle. This is very weird, it is the first time it has happened to me and I would think when you would shut the ignition off that the motor would quit, but it doesn't! I have heard of many problems with the tors going bad so I was thinking this might be the problem. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Sounds like an air leak to me. The back firing could be caused by a leaned condition due to an air leak, as well as the "runaway" idle problem. You are closing the carbs but due to the air leak it continues to suck in air. When you kill it with the key, there is a chance that the cylinder is so hot from running lean that the air fuel emulsion just detonates by itself. When you "blirped" the throttle, you allowed extra fuel to come into the cylinder causing it to cool off and die.

 

Anyone else on this one?

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I'm not an expert by any means, but I would say Cotton's theory sounds like the logical place to start. I'd deffinatly look for air leaks as your first step. Also I haven't heard of tors causing the engine to rev higher... only preventing you from being able to rev it higher. If you have an air leak you deffinatly don't want to be running it with out fixing that first.

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I've had troubles with the carbs sticken and the idle clibing, it would also backfire befor it warmed up, when its dry no probs?

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I'm with Cotton on this one. The TORS will not make the engine rpms "run away" like that. It's function is to do exactly the opposite and kill the engine if your carb slide(s) sticks when you let off the thumb throttle. What you are experiencing is an air leak. That air leak is causing a severe lean condition which results in all kinds of nasty things like backfires, high engine temps, stuck rings, detonation, and your seemingly possessed engine. It simply kept running because of exactly what Cotton described. Check the carb boots. They are either cracked or most likely torn right where the clamps are located. This usually happens because of over tightening the clamps. Also check to see if your carb tops are tight on the carb bodies.

 

A quick and easy way to check for air leaks is to start the engine and warm it up a little. Then let it sit there and idle. Next spray little shots of starting fluid around the carb boots and intake. If the engine rpm's increase when you spray it, then you've found your leak. ONLY SPRAY LITTLE SHOTS!! It doesn't take much.

 

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all simtem sound like tube be twene the carbs if its not of check for a hole in it had happen to me once but i would check your carbs out find out if its cable stickin throtel sticking can cause long term problems best thing get a nother set ov carbs yes you can run it un pluged onley thing is if throtel sticks it wont shut down when you let off

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Ok, So I snugged up all the boots going to the carb and one of the tops was loose on the carb so I tightened that up also. Then I also disconnected the tors system. I started it up and it ran perfectly. It would idle nice and start without the choke when hot, which it wouldn't do before. My question is can I run the quad with the tors just disconnected? or do i have to get a removal kit? Thanks alot

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