Ruko Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 These are wicked.... Elka 450 shocks and Sanddragon A-arms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruko Posted October 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 last one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanddragon2004 Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Are those triple rate Elkas on their? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruko Posted October 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 yup.... they were built for a 450... I think the Banshee ones are only double rate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justintoxicated Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 yup.... they were built for a 450... I think the Banshee ones are only double rate 429862[/snapback] I think you can get banshee elkas in tripple rate too but typical their dune eddition is dual rate, which is better for dune riding. Tripple rate wasts too much of the travel, but that depends what you are doing. So what exactly is the point in using 450 elkas instead of banshee elkas? looks good though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanddragon2004 Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 because banshee shocks are so much shorter, you dont really gain much plus the spring options available today dont allow triples to fit. he wanted a arms built to fit his banshee, he had shocks from a 450. So we built them to fit the 450 shocks since 450 shocks are longer, they allow you to run a triple spring shock. Not sure how much of an advantage you have over banshee shock of the same type, but im sure Ruko can give us his thoughts on how it performs? I have run this same setup on my banshee with 05 yfz shocks and it was about the most plush ride i have ever exp on a banshee. So i would imagine with custom built elkas would be even better. again, perhaps Ruko can enligthen us as to how it performs????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanddragon2004 Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 I think you can get banshee elkas in tripple rate too but typical their dune eddition is dual rate, which is better for dune riding. Tripple rate wasts too much of the travel, but that depends what you are doing. So what exactly is the point in using 450 elkas instead of banshee elkas? looks good though. 429919[/snapback] Per my catalogs and in speaking with elka, they do not make a banshee shock with a triple rate spring for stock or extended a arms unless you go long travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justintoxicated Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 (edited) This is a very interesting setup. so are the A-arms Semi Long travel then? or are they the same length as regular banshee +2 +1 arms? If they are the same then that would mean the shock mount is just in a different location to allow for a longer shock? but the same amount of travel on the banshee? So the shock would move more but the travel and geometry on the banshee remain the same? if so that is pretty cool, not sure what the difference would be over regular elka dual rate shocks on arms made for a banshee, but it definately sounds better than tripple rate shocks for a banshee on regular extended arms. Edited October 27, 2005 by Justintoxicated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 oh man, not the LT debate again. the shocks are longer, but the mounts are located further from the frame pivot to accomodate that. yess a small travel gain can be expected, as with any +2 a-arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruko Posted October 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 The reason I am using these shocks instead of Banshee length Elkas, is just because I got a good deal on them. I was originally looking for some stock 450 shocks and found these instead. Then I got the a-arms set up with the mounts moved out for the extra length, which I had planned to do even if I got stock 450 shocks anyway. Now how much of an advantage is this??? Well I'm not sure because I don't know anyone with stock length Elkas to compare it to. What I have compared to is of course my old stock suspension... which sucks ass... and not suprisingly it is an enormous improvement. Also I know someone with a 04 450 all stock and again it is a huge improvement. I also have a friend who has stock a-arms with... I think... Fox shocks on his Banshee and once again... night and day difference. I realize those are not really fair comparisons but that is all I have to compare to. Now as for travel... again I don't know what you get with stock length shocks but I am getting over 11 inches, almost 11.5. So if someone with a similar setup but stock Banshee length shocks can measure thiers and let us know then I will have something to compare to. Again the only one I have to compare to now is my buddy with stock a-arms and Fox shocks but he only has about 8 inches travel. All in all without getting into all the debates about geometry and bump steer and all that.... AGAIN... this setup saved me a bunch of money and it rides awesome. Does it ride as good as a full blown custom Axis all around long travel set up??? I have no idea...and I doubt it... but I am very happy with it and I would recommend it to anyone. Just to throw in another plug I also got my rear stock shock boby rebuilt by "Shane" as part of this setup and again I am very happy with it. So the whole deal is... Elka triple rate shocks off a 450 with Sanddragon +2 +1 a-arms set up for the longer shock, and my stock rear shock rebuilt by Shane with the Elka dual rate kit. It all works awesome together. It rides and handles great... hitting bumps and landing jumps is like riding on a pillow. It has soaked up everything I've thrown at it so far. So if anyone needs any suspension parts or upgrades I highly recommend both Sanddragon Motorsports and Shane aka Lobo Performance. Rob I guess this should almost go into the review section now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justintoxicated Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 (edited) thats cool man, I just thought it was interesting...so it's banshee A-arms then with longer shocks. It seems to me that is 450 shocks could be setup for banshee A-arms then it would allow for more adjustablilty since the shock is slightly longer wihtout giving you any issues of bumpsteer more than would be found with any other +2 arms.. I have the regular banshee elka elites and arms but I still have to breakem in and finsih installing them. Sounds like a pretty cool setup you have there though. I did not want to use tripple rates because they sag a bit too much on the regular arms but I have a feeling they would work well with your setup. Edited October 27, 2005 by Justintoxicated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruko Posted October 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 (edited) "I have the regular banshee elka elites and arms but I still have to breakem in and finsih installing them" When you get them all set up let me know what you get for travel... just to see if there is any diference. Edited October 27, 2005 by Ruko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanddragon2004 Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 (edited) oh man, not the LT debate again. the shocks are longer, but the mounts are located further from the frame pivot to accomodate that. yess a small travel gain can be expected, as with any +2 a-arm. 430223[/snapback] how do you figure? you dont move the shock out when you move to a plus 2 a arm. shock mount location is the same on standard a arms and +2 a arms. Edited November 2, 2005 by sanddragon2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odaen Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 how do you figure? you dont move the shock out when you move to a plus 2 a arm. shock mount location is the same on standard a arms and +2 a arms. you sure know alot about engineering for a 19 year old im impressed. lol jk. 432069[/snapback] I think what he's saying is that the LT arm has the shock mount moved out, which would require a longer shock body for the same travel. The +2 comment was separate and implied you would get longer travel from any +2 arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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