dadude Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 (edited) **just filled the tank after fighting with it this morning** banshee started right up last night when i bought it, got it home rode it some last night. Woke up this morning noticed the tank was getting really low so i goto crank it and fight with it for about 20-30mins finally get it to turn over and crank after tons of kicks. let it idle for a good while. Rode it some until it was pretty much out of gas shut it off and now I can't get it to crank. It doing the same thing it was doing this morning on kick. I'm hoping maybe it's flooded.. I don't see why though. When I drop it into gear it rolls then locks like it did before in neutral it rolls fine but will not start on kick makes no sound except for the kicker. If I push the gas in while I kick it, it does like it did this morning it kinda sounds like it wants to turn over start. Could something be low on fluid or what? is it better to hold the cluch in while in neutral and kick it to start it or dont hold the clutch and or break? What is the best method to crank it. it doesn't look like the oil stick near the kick is low it looks like it goes halfway up. it's doing the same thing it did this morning with a full tank it just will not kick start no matter what i'm letting it sit as i type this. please someone tell me it's something simple and if so how to fix it. When I even finally got it started this morning and gased it/idled it a bit and stayed idle even without any gas with the clutch in. Am I flooding it holding in the clutch or what? someone please help me, thanks! this is pizzing me off. Edited October 22, 2005 by dadude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nightmare Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Try changing your spark plugs. If they are fouled it is reel hard to start. Change the plugs, put it in neutral, pull the choke half way out and hold it ther (sometimes the choke won't stay out on its own), then kick it. that is the easiest way for me to start mine. If that does not work try push starting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midnite Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 (edited) Hate to tell you this but it sounds like it needs rings and pistons. When your rings are shot, it will start hard when cold, 45 to 75 kicks. When the motor warms up and every thing expands you get better compression so it will start with 1 or 2 kicks while warm. Check your compression. What probily happened was you told the guy you bought it from you was coming to look at it. He pull started it and had it all warmed up for you. When you got there it started with 1 or 2 kicks. As it cooled overnite, pistons/rings contracted, giving the motor poor compression. My 87 is going through this right now. Rebuild time for both of us. My 87's right cylinder has 110 psi, left cylinder 115 psi. Edited October 22, 2005 by midnite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003LimitedBanshee Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Holding/not holding the clutch won't have any effect on flooding or not. Did you switch your tank to reserve? At the break over point of normal to reserve you can usually get just enough gas to feed the right cylinder (this is due to the almost always sloped configuration of the stock fuel lines which will tend to "run downhill" to the right carb). I would try switching to reserve if you have not already, or just gas it up (no offense but you are running premix right?, you said you just got it so not sure if you're new to 2 strokes). Beyond that a real good place to start is to check the plugs to see if they appear fouled, check the air filter to make sure it is not really dirty, and gas it up. You'd be surprised how easy some fixes can be. Try that and get back to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadude Posted October 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Try changing your spark plugs. If they are fouled it is reel hard to start. Change the plugs, put it in neutral, pull the choke half way out and hold it ther (sometimes the choke won't stay out on its own), then kick it. that is the easiest way for me to start mine. If that does not work try push starting it. 428593[/snapback] How do I push start it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadude Posted October 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Holding/not holding the clutch won't have any effect on flooding or not. Did you switch your tank to reserve? At the break over point of normal to reserve you can usually get just enough gas to feed the right cylinder (this is due to the almost always sloped configuration of the stock fuel lines which will tend to "run downhill" to the right carb). I would try switching to reserve if you have not already, or just gas it up (no offense but you are running premix right?, you said you just got it so not sure if you're new to 2 strokes). Beyond that a real good place to start is to check the plugs to see if they appear fouled, check the air filter to make sure it is not really dirty, and gas it up. You'd be surprised how easy some fixes can be. Try that and get back to us. 428596[/snapback] Aye gassed it up, mixed oil and gas properly. hor can i check to see if my plugs are fouled and what's the best way and where is the air filter. under the seat? if so what is the best method to clean it, thanks! I doubt it's the pistons and rings if so how much does a rebuild on them coast roughly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midnite Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Oh yeah, sometimes a bent reed will make it start hard. I start my 87 by pulling it with my truck. Someone pulls it to 10-15 mph. With the clutch in, I shift to 2nd gear and then release the clutch lever. Useally have to drag it for 40 yards before it starts. Once warm, it starts 1 kick every time. Runs good too, until it I let it sit overnite. Then the same shit over again. It's going under the knife soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000dollabill Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 had the same prob a couple days ago. you might try changing the plugs and blowing in the vent tube in the gas cap. that seems to work on mine. do yourself a favor, buy a clymers and a compression tester. does it have a fuel filter on it? neutral with the clutch pulled in and she'll start easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris642 Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 you might of just flooded it. first time i tried to start my banshee i flooded it and fouled out the plugs. second time i kicked it maybe 30 times then relized the key was "off", luckily i only slightly flooded it and it started with like 15 kicks with the swich "on", LOTS of smoke though . after that i never had a problem starting it, when it was stock i would put the choke on the first clip, crank it, rev it up a little for 5 seconds and turn the choke of and let it idle. after i rebuilt it and got it ported it would start, even after 2 weeks of sitting, on the first kick with no choke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawarriorman Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 you might of just flooded it. first time i tried to start my banshee i flooded it and fouled out the plugs. second time i kicked it maybe 30 times then relized the key was "off", luckily i only slightly flooded it and it started with like 15 kicks with the swich "on", LOTS of smoke though . after that i never had a problem starting it, when it was stock i would put the choke on the first clip, crank it, rev it up a little for 5 seconds and turn the choke of and let it idle. after i rebuilt it and got it ported it would start, even after 2 weeks of sitting, on the first kick with no choke. 428606[/snapback] It could be flooded, although it could be spark or weak compression too. If your floats are sticking or not adjusted right, it could let gas just leak down into the crank. Mine has done that before, and when theres a puddle in the crank, I can't kick it over. Shut off your gas when you get done, and see if that fixes it. If it does, clean your carbs out and readjust the floats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadude Posted October 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Well i tried engine starting fluid, my dad cleaned/removed blew on the plugs. tried the choke. Cleaned the filter. still will not kick over if i hold the gas in while i kick it it makes that flutter sound. I don't know why it will not start now.. my lef hurts from kicking it all day got it started after a bunch this morning now it will not turn at all. I fiddled with the reserve/switch and forgot wich position it was oiriginaly in but i kicked it every which way still no go. my shee is all stock. luckly come to find out either i will take it to find out what is wrong and have it fixed if it does need a rebuild how much do they usually run? i'm praying it's flooded, if it is how long should i wait before trying to kick it again? please let me know about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris642 Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Well i tried engine starting fluid, my dad cleaned/removed blew on the plugs. tried the choke. Cleaned the filter. still will not kick over if i hold the gas in while i kick it it makes that flutter sound. I don't know why it will not start now.. my lef hurts from kicking it all day got it started after a bunch this morning now it will not turn at all. I fiddled with the reserve/switch and forgot wich position it was oiriginaly in but i kicked it every which way still no go. my shee is all stock. luckly come to find out either i will take it to find out what is wrong and have it fixed if it does need a rebuild how much do they usually run? i'm praying it's flooded, if it is how long should i wait before trying to kick it again? please let me know about this. 428634[/snapback] if you think its flooded take the plugs out and keep kicking it a bunch of times. if the plugs are fouled, cleaning them wont do shit, you need new ones. when my rm 250 fouls plugs, there is no way you would be able to start it, my banshee has never fouled a plug ever besides for when i flooded it which wasnt the bikes fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadude Posted October 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 come on know one knows roughly how much if it's a bad rings/pistons? or does everyone do em thereself? I hope it's not that i'm gonna try cranking it after letting it set. If not guess i'll have to see if this one guy can fix it or I don't know really lol. Or maybe it got flooded.. sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestar Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 With the bike just sitting their not running. Put it in first gear. Push it . Is it easy to push like with one hand? If it is your rings are gone. You lost compression. You need new top end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris642 Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 (edited) come on know one knows roughly how much if it's a bad rings/pistons? or does everyone do em thereself? I hope it's not that i'm gonna try cranking it after letting it set. If not guess i'll have to see if this one guy can fix it or I don't know really lol. Or maybe it got flooded.. sigh. Edited October 23, 2005 by chris642 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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