D_Banshee_Man Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Im trying to talk my friend out of getting the 450. I told him with only a few mods you could be faster than the 450. Is this true???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odaen Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 depends what you mean by fast. in a straight line, piped/jetted/air filtered bikes will be comparable. from there, you can probably figure each HP gained for the 450 will cost about 4x what it would cost for the banshee the stock banshee motor just has so much room for improvement. the 450's from the factory are running closer to the top of their potential, so once you get past the bolt-ons, it's gonna hit the wallet hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sredish Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 what kind of riding is he going to be doing? the banshee has a lot more potential, but as you start cranking the power up on the banshee, the powerband gets a little narrower where the yfz you can get 50hp pretty easy and a boatload of torque for a stronger woods/trail machine. For example: TRX450R (I'd like to see a chart this smooth come from a banshee) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decon Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 sredish makes a good point. i guess that's why most riders switched to the 4 strokes, alot easier to ride, less fatique, smooth powerband, lots of torque. it all depends on where you ride. tight trails would be pretty difficult for a banshee, whereas more open trails (more road/hills and no trees) would be suitable. in the dunes and the desert a banshee is a must. I ride in open trails where a banshee would suit me, that's what helped me with my choice to get one soon. it's really not all about who's faster but what area your machine performs best. I ride the trails with a few shee's and they have no problems because its all open road/mountains/ hills like I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sredish Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 don't get me wrong, a properly setup banshee would handle tighter trails with ease, but a woods/tight trails shee isn't going to make 60+hp, because your building it for torque and that's not really it's forte. if your building a higher hp banshee for speed, it's going to be a lot peakier which leads me back to my question... what kind of riding does he want to be "faster" at. I mildly setup yfz will be pretty damned fast and will hang with quite a few banshee's quite honestly. It's not that hard to get 54hp out of a yfz, where a banshee would generally need some good pipe, portwork, timing and so on to get the same hp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboybanshee Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 depends what you mean by fast. in a straight line, piped/jetted/air filtered bikes will be comparable. from there, you can probably figure each HP gained for the 450 will cost about 4x what it would cost for the banshee the stock banshee motor just has so much room for improvement. the 450's from the factory are running closer to the top of their potential, so once you get past the bolt-ons, it's gonna hit the wallet hard. 400616[/snapback] I have to disagree with that...I'm not sure where you came up with those figures but coming from someone who owns both, the 450 is cheaper to mod up than the banshee. The banshee has a lot of potential, but the 450 also has quite a bit of room for improvement too. Porting is cheaper on the YFZ 450, the pipes are cheaper, a lot of the aftermarket stuff is cheaper than the banshee simply because you don't have to buy two of almost everything. I do agree with the fact that YFZ 450's have more power out of the box than a banshee but they are not near the top of their potential. With adding just a pipe, air filter, and cam it makes a HUGE difference over stock in power; just like a banshee (with the exception of cams). Just with my pipe and filter it was a whole different experience. Adding the cams is like kicking a bull in the ass; really makes it move. BUT, depending on which terrain you ride most should play a role in what to get. If you ride a lot of dunes, drag race, etc. the banshee is more "geared" for that kind of riding. For trails/woods, MX, etc. the 450 would be a much better option. Don't get me wrong, I love my banshee more than life itself, but the YFZ 450's are some bad mofo's...I have equal enjoyment out of riding either one! Anyone who hasn't ridden a 450 and felt it for themselves is more than welcome to take a quick spin on mine at LS and see what I'm talking about, all it took was one ride for me and I went out a couple months later and bought one. LOL, I just realized that in the title he's asking about a 450f, which if I'm not mistaken is the yammy dirtbike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sredish Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 LOL, I just realized that in the title he's asking about a 450f, which if I'm not mistaken is the yammy dirtbike 400630[/snapback] yea, i saw that to and just ignored it. if he really thinks his banshees going to stay with a 450f, i figured I'd let him figure that one out on his own... i sure hope the 450f is stock btw... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 don't get me wrong, a properly setup banshee would handle tighter trails with ease, but a woods/tight trails shee isn't going to make 60+hp, because your building it for torque and that's not really it's forte. 400627[/snapback] Is a 90HP Cheetah CUB trail friendly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banshee~ Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 don't get me wrong, a properly setup banshee would handle tighter trails with ease, but a woods/tight trails shee isn't going to make 60+hp, because your building it for torque and that's not really it's forte. if your building a higher hp banshee for speed, it's going to be a lot peakier which leads me back to my question... what kind of riding does he want to be "faster" at. 400627[/snapback] To me a properly setup trail banshee is anything with aftermarket rear tires . It will go anywhere a 4 stroke will go in the woods, and then kick their ass in a drag race . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trail rider Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 I rode a yz 426 before, think it had a pipe and some other stuff, and that thing flat out hauled ass, first time ever on one, and I know for a fact that my banshee would never beat it in a drag . Felt like i was strapted on a missle or somethin . it would hook up the whole entire time I's on it and pulled like a muther, that first ride gave me more of a rush than on a banshee, but i still would rather have the shee over the 450 dirt bike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketboy Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 (edited) if your talkin about a racing a 450f dirtbike with a piped banshee then yes youll most likely lose ,but a wicked port job and all the right addon goodies will beat it in a straight line if you play your cards right ,kinda depends on how much you wanna put into the banshee ,but even at 347cc you can slay 250cc dirtbikes all day if you have a good setup on your she,now on a track or tight trail is a different story .a four strokes torque is a huge advantage there. the yfz 450 ive been riding lately is pretty impressive, but it can never replace a healthy she and its top speed sucks, it feel like its down 15 mph to me but actually probably only a 5-7mph difference.kinda like any 4 stroke, firs t few gears are torquey but after that its kinda blah and stops pulling unless its got some radical engine work. each gear feels like the last.oh and i respectfully disagree about the porting $$ its a lot cheaper to get anything over 50hp on a banshee than a yfz,sure porting on a yf is cheaper but it adds very little in comparison to +25hp and 10 lbs of torque like on a banshee motor Edited August 3, 2005 by rocketboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odaen Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 I have to disagree with that...I'm not sure where you came up with those figures but coming from someone who owns both, the 450 is cheaper to mod up than the banshee. The banshee has a lot of potential, but the 450 also has quite a bit of room for improvement too. Porting is cheaper on the YFZ 450, the pipes are cheaper, a lot of the aftermarket stuff is cheaper than the banshee simply because you don't have to buy two of almost everything. I think YZFtech did a pretty indepth comparison between cams with a piped, mildly ported 450. Seemed like HP was between 42 and 47 HP. From the words of several of the people involved in the testing, they stated that after that the return on your investment was significantly less because there wasn't much left to get out of the motor. Pipes and and an air filter on a banshee gets you to the same HP, milling the head and advancing your timing 4 degrees will get you comfortable over 50HP. $325 in port work will get you to 65. Another $450 for a 4mm crank gets you to 75. And you're not even close to the potential of that motor. On top of that, it's still very reliable. What would it take to get 75 out of the 450 other than nitrous? How much would it cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odaen Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 and i didn't realize he was talking about the 450f either...doh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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