kperks Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Alright Guys, Here's the scoop. I rode my 2000 shee with my uncle's 04 Honda 450R (he has a few minor 4 stroke goodies). I was bone stock at the time and he smoked me at every speed. Last weekend we rode again, but this time I had A K&N filter, Noss Machine adapter (airbox lid still on but carved out, snorkel gone), FMF SST's, PowerCore II's, rejetted, and some pretty warn holeshots. I still felt like he was faster than me, but part of it was due to my warn tires. Top end he could just barely beat me, but the midrange was close. What's the next step I should take to smoke that Honda? I know there are a million things that can be done, I'm just wondering what would be the next logical step. I was thinking V-Force II or III reeds as a next step? Maybe a degree Key? Cool Head? What would you do guys think. I won't stop until all that Honda can see is the roost I'm throwing in it's face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (and then I'll be happy for a few minutes and want more power yet, but that's why banshees kick ass, right?) Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheecandy Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Yea i dont no about the hard pack dirt but in the sand put on some haulers with your sst pipes CYA honda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decon Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 (edited) the best thing you could possibly do next is porting, after that, then go with bolt ons. I hear sst's dont respond well with porting, kind of like t6's. might want to invest is some different pipes if u get porting done, maybe fatty's or pc's. almost any pipe on the market will perform awsome with the right porting. Edited June 23, 2005 by dEcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Ranger Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Traction and practice is what you need. With what you've got done already you should be able to easily hand him has red ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eehsnab2 Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 If you want to go cheap, have your head cut and mod your own timing plate. Forget the timing key... they have a habit of shaving off. Bore your stock carbs to a 28mm. The V-force are a pretty expensive 2-3 horse but you will feel a difference. After that, I would have it ported and have your crank welded up or go to a stroker crank. Just remember if you port your 350 with 350 port timings and durations you wont be able to go to a stroker crank down the road with those cylinders. Lots of peeps just have a "clean up" port done with the idea of going to a stroker down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Yeah, what you have should already outrun him. The only thing I'd add to the mix is an adjustable timing plate (crank it to +4) and possibly switch to a filter that doesn't require the stock airbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sredish Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 My cammed, piped, geared, intaked 450r can easily hang with piped Banshees. They don't walk all over me for sure. In fact, a mild ported Banshee is about neck and neck through the lower part of the top end but if there's enough room, it'll start overtaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandman121383 Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 . .. start in 2nd. ur gonna be spinnin a little but it'll stay revved up and then ur gonna hear the rpm's go even higher, once she starts screamin grab 3rd and then walk by him in 4th. just practice ur starts u got all u need for that 4 stroke of a joke. just stab ur clutch while shiftin, don't let off the goose!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PassionRE Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Hot MX port, Noss head and 18 cc domes and a pair of CPI's or Shearers and that 450 owner will be embaressed to be alive. Were talking spanking of a lifetime....Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sredish Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Yes. Good portwork, compression and the right set of pipes is the key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 yea you need some porting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mud91 Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 I have the basic mods in my sig...I have no problem beating pipe raptors or yfz's. I found that starting in 2nd works best for me..You can have the fastest quad out there but if you can't shift right its all over. The more you practice the better feel you have for your quad. If you want to start in 1st you need to get out as fast as you can... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kperks Posted June 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 OK, sounds like porting is the way to go. The question is, can I get dimensions and have the porting done at work, or do I need to bring it to a pro. The reason I ask is because I'm an engineer and I have CNC lathes and mills at my disposal, with some damn good machinists that can whip out some pretty good shit. If I could have it done at work that would save some money for the next mod! But, like sombody said eariler, my SSTs don't respond well to porting, so would I need new pipes? I just bought the damn things a month ago, so it would suck to have to buy new ones. If I don't have to buy new pipes I'll probably port next, but if porting wouldn't be good with my SSTs, what mod should I do next? Thanks for all the replies by the way, damn good info! By the way, Dark Ranger, I see you're from Ramsey, MN, I live in Inver Grove, where do you ride? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nightmare Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 I would start by getting some new tires. If you don't have much money to spend, do some cheap mods like milling your stock head, lighten your fly wheel,and add an adjustable timing plate. I think there is a guy on here named Boonman that does the heads and fly wheels. I think you will have to rejet after bumping the timing not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sredish Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 But, like sombody said eariler, my SSTs don't respond well to porting, so would I need new pipes? I just bought the damn things a month ago, so it would suck to have to buy new ones. If I don't have to buy new pipes I'll probably port next, but if porting wouldn't be good with my SSTs, what mod should I do next? If you have access to a machinist, that could be good, just need to find out the specs of the type of portwork you want. Generally, just a good machinist and powered handtools are what does the job. As far as the pipes, it should be reworded that the SST's don't respond AS well. They will respond in a positive way, it's not like the bike will run bad. it'll run much better than it does now, however, the possible gains could go up with a set of pipes that respond better, make sense? I'd port the cylinders and keep the SST's and see how you like it afterwards. Down the road, if you think you'd be better off with another set of pipes, deal with it then, but you'll get some decent gain out of the SST's with portwork, for sure. Rejetting is not necessary when advancing the timing, it has no effect on air/fuel ratio going into the motor, just when the spark occurs. Boonman can lighten the flywheel if necessary and mill the head for more compression if need be, but sounds like you have a good set of machinists there that could mill the head for you. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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