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[dalegoldston]

I am sorry but I need a yes or no. No more or less.

 

Holy's reply is a yes.

Edited May 24, 2005 by dalegoldston

[Holyman]

Not to be ignorant or anything. But do you both believe each other will end up in the same place in the end?

I am sorry but I need a yes or no. No more or less.

 

Holy's reply is a yes.

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Actually my answer is no. I don't expect to go to heaven {where 04 believes he is entitled to go} and there is no such thing as a burning Hell. So when I die, I will be dead and buried like everyone else in history. And it's up to God to decide if he wants to "grace" me with resurrection.

[banshee04le]

Not to be ignorant or anything. But do you both believe each other will end up in the same place in the end?

 

 

I don

[rjvoight]

1 John

 

First John: 1:5-7 - Walk in the Light

 

5)and this is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth, but if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus His Son CLEANSES US FROM ALL SIN.

 

Vs)6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.

 

We can not be in fellowship with Christ and be walking in the darkness. This means we are not in fellowship, it does not mean we have lost our salvation or we are not a Christian. It means we are failing and struggling with something and we have been neutrealized by the enemy, Satan, and are not furthering the Kingdom of God which is our purpose for being on this planet to begin with. It means we must acknowledge we need the forgiveness provided by Christ before fellowship can be restored.

 

First John 2:1-2

 

1) My little children, I am writing these things to you that you may not sin. AND IF ANYONE SINS, WE HAVE AN ADVOCATE WITH THE FATHER, JESUS CHRIST THE RIGHTEOUS; AND HE HIMSELF IS THE PROPITIATION FOR OUR SINS; AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY, BUT ALSO FOR THOSE OF THE WHOLE WORLD.

 

This is written to every one of us and it is a wonderful truth. Jesus is the propitiation, or satisfaction, for our sins. He is our advocate, our defense attorney. He has cleansed us from our sins. We sin every day, all of us no way around it. Jesus has taken our place, our punsihment was paid for when he died on the cross.

 

First John 2:3-6

 

And by this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says I have come to know Him and does not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as he walked.

 

Holy, these versus by themselves would support your view that if you are not showing works you are not saved, worse you are a liar. This book was written to Christians who were being tempted by secular religions and Gnostic beliefs. He was telling them to examine the false prophets using basic Christian foundations.

 

First John 4:1-6

Beloved do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming , and now it is already in the world. You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is In You, than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak as from the world and the world listens to them. We are from God; he who knows God listens to us; he who is not of God does nto listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

 

Any person that denies Christ is not from God.

 

1 John 5:1-3

 

Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God; and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe his commandments. For this is the love of God that we keep his commandments and his commandments are not burdensome.

 

 

Again, importance of works and obeying commandments is outlined to show it is part of our witness.

 

1 John 5:4-13

victory over the world and assurance of Salvation:

 

4) for whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world, our faith. And who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

 

This is the one who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. And it is the Spirit who bearswitness because the Spirit is the truth. for there are three that bear witness, the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. If we receive the witness of men, the witneess of God is greater; for the wintess of God is this, that He has borne witness concerning His Son. 10) The one who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar because he has not believed in the witness that God has borne concerning His Son.

 

And the wintess is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the son has the life, he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

 

 

Again, Salvation starts with Jesus. To all of you who have followed this and think "What"? Recieve Jesus and the rest of this will be revealed to you. It is all about Jesus. This world, this life, your life, your job, your relationships, it is all about Jesus and what you do with the knowledge of him.

 

I gots to get to work,

 

RJV.

[Holyman]

First of all 04, I don't need you to explain my beliefs. You can't even explain your own.

rj... as usual, you have shown that you have some depth of understanding. Far more that 04.

 

I agree with your first scripture {1John 1:5-7} that Jesus cleanses us from all sin and we need to humble ourselves to accept that.

 

On your second scripture {1John 2:1,2}, I ask you who he had to satisfy? And which scriptures you found to show that we would be absolved from punishment.

 

On your third scripture {1John 2:3-6}, I accept that it was for the benefit of those in bible times. But why do you feel that Christians today no longer need to adhere to the counsel here? What has changed?

 

4th scripture I agree 100% {1John 4:1-6}

 

#5) 1John 5:1-3 Agree again.

 

#6) 1John 5:4-13 again, nothing of conflict there.

 

And since I'd hate to be accused of not reading scriptures in context, let's read verse 14... (1 John 5:14) 14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that, no matter what it is that we ask according to his will, he hears us.

 

See the key is whether it is God's will. We can't just assume that we can live the live of a Godless person and then because we call out to Jesus we will be OK. My question then is... what does it mean by "has the son" 1John 5:12.

[banshee04le]

I don

[Holyman]

To show the kind of hypocrite you are, you can't even live up to your word for one day. Are you now reading my posts again?

And again you posted a bunch of senseless hate. Where is your Christian behaviour? What scriptures have you posted? In what way have you elevated Jesus? By your lies that you are no longer involved in this thread? By your adherance to his loving behaviour?

Have you stated an issue you need me to reply to? Or is it more of your demonic hatred you are spouting? I never said I was perfect and I never said I was better than anyone. You claim that I am trying to earn salvation but I never said that or even implied that. So who is wrong here? You have proven yourself a liar from the very first word you typed right down to this very second, you are still the same liar. But in your twisted imagination, you are saved so go ahead and lie like Satan himself. Satan has no idea what the bible means either. So at least you are among friends.

So what are the Gospels anyway? Do you even know that much?

[locogato11283]

you guys know the bible from front to back or something?

[banshee04le]

To show the kind of hypocrite you are, you can't even live up to your word for one day. Are you now reading my posts again?

Yep. I'm here to the end and I'm in it to win it for Jesus.

And again you posted a bunch of senseless hate. Where is your Christian behaviour?

Where has yours been? You have provided no better example than I. In fact we are so much alike, and so are our religions, except the part about Christ. RJ and I are pro-christ and you are anti-christ.

In what way have you elevated Jesus? By your lies that you are no longer involved in this thread? By your adherance to his loving behaviour?

You WISH I was no longer involved in this thread. I have attempted to make peace with you on several occasions in this thread and by PM but I was rejected due to your complete lack of humility. I have elevated Jesus by defending the TRUTH of the Gospels; Mathew Mark Luke and John, although many argue that the Gospel of Mark came first. EVERYTHING you say is correct EXCEPT the parts about the PURPOSE of Christ. Your views on Christ are not innocently wrong. Your views on Christ undermine God's will and turn people away from God's word. Jesus DRAWS people to God's word.

CAN"T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

 

You have proven yourself a liar from the very first word you typed right down to this very second, you are still the same liar. But in your twisted imagination, you are saved so go ahead and lie like Satan himself. Satan has no idea what the bible means either. So at least you are among friends.

God is going to ressurect you? GREAT! Then most all of us must be HOME free!!!

[Holyman]

EVERYTHING you say is correct EXCEPT the parts about the PURPOSE of Christ.

So what are you saying is the purpose of Christ?

[banshee04le]

TO DRAW PEOPLE TO THE WORD OF GOD...let's start with that. Master that and THEN worry about what God and Christ can do for you.

[Holyman]

So you're saying that the whole reason Jesus came to earth was to draw people to the word of God? What scriptures do you have to support that?

[banshee04le]

What scriptures? The WHOLE BIBLE SUPPORTS THAT. Have faith and hope that the rest of the promises are true...NOBODY KNOWS. If it was known, Gods test would be null and void.

[Holyman]

What scriptures? The WHOLE BIBLE SUPPORTS THAT.

That must be why you think you can drop the bible on the floor and quote a random page or 2 and think you are teaching

And with nonsense like this, you would need a heck of alot of hope. Because what it says makes no sense what so ever.

Have faith and hope that the rest of the promises are true...NOBODY KNOWS.

Oh are you going to go back and edit it like have done so many times before?

[banshee04le]

Step away from the microscope Dave. Take a look at the big picture. You are a puppet of the anti-christ.