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I know I said that I wasn't gonna post here anymore but I have a question for Holyman. This is in no way trying to bash you or anything this is something that I'm wondering. Holyman, you got on some assholes case a while back because he was making racial jokes and you said it wasnt right to make fun of somebody based on race but now you're saying you would rip on somebody if they said they were a homosexual because they openly admitted it. So if I were to openly admit that I was hispanic (which I am,) does that mean its ok for people to start asking me if i want some tacos and burritos or how hard was it for my daddy to cross the river with me on his back, or to give everyone else but me the fine china cause ill prolly steal it. Or with any other race, would it be ok to constantly make fun of them because of their race? Like I said this isn't meant to bash you I'm just curious how one is different then the other.

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I know I said that I wasn't gonna post here anymore but I have a question for Holyman. This is in no way trying to bash you or anything this is something that I'm wondering. Holyman, you  got on some assholes case a while back because he was making racial jokes and you said it wasnt right to make fun of somebody based on race but now you're saying you would rip on somebody if they said they were a homosexual because they openly admitted it. So if I were to openly admit that I was hispanic (which I am,) does that mean its ok for people to start asking me if i want some tacos and burritos or how hard was it for my daddy to cross the river with me on his back, or to give everyone else but me the fine china cause ill prolly steal it. Or with any other race, would it be ok to constantly make fun of them because of their race? Like I said this isn't meant to bash you I'm just curious how one is different then the other.

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Lefty:

I asked him a similar question prior also. You have to understand that he lives his life by double standards. People here have openly admitted to doing drugs, yet he says very little on the subject. He has never (that Ive seen) chastize anyone over drugs as he does about sexuality. Again....... Its a double standard. People like him ONLY see things in black and white. Your either on their side or your not. Most people can compromise and understand another persons views, but our "holy one" cant grasp that. Its his way or no way. I'd be willing to bet he is some sort of born again christian. Tho I doubt he will ever reveal his religious faith. Ones nationality or race has no bearing on his views (yet) since he would have an argurement with basicly everyone here and in real life.

 

 

dogboystoy:

Holyman, I used to respect you. Now i think you are an opinionated ass who thinks that the people that dont share your views are wrong.

Well, let me tell you something, I have found that through my experiences that a large group of the strongly religious types are the biggest hippocrytes of them all. They go to church and tell eachother that they must treat everyone good, bla bla bla. And they actually are the most prejidous and segregating ones.

What about the priests touching little boys? Its not only in the catholic religion either... These religious nuts go apeshit when you point the finger at them and their church, yet how many are closet homos? I cant tell you how many storys Ive heard of these religious fruitcakes doing screwing their cousins, sisters, brothers, or even little kids in the privacy of their own homes, yet preaching to everyone else about how wrong it is to be open about your sexual desires. :wacko: Can you say nutcase? :confused:

 

 

Wallrat:

Have you ever met a lesbian? Have you ever met a bisexual? Trust me man...HUGE difference.

I'm sure he hasnt... He is only going by what the "good book" has told him and his local church followers lead him to believe. Ever hear the comment... I'd rather be a leader than a follower??

 

 

Holyman:

While you guys are in the orange grove looking at all the apples, I'm the one calling a spade a spade.

I can only imagine the skeletons hiding in your closet. Im pretty sure the reason you hide behind your name and never reveal anything about yourself is due to the fact that your no better than anyone else here. You just dont want to admit it. We all get dressed the same, we all wipe our dirty asses the same, so guess what, Your no better than the rest of us. No one asked you to change your views, maybe just accept the fact that some people are more open about their sexuality.

I don't believe I'm going to heaven and I don't believe in Hell

So what do you believe in?

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Have you ever met a lesbian?  Have you ever met a bisexual?  Trust me man...HUGE difference.

Oh and dogboy...good luck finding the 3rd.  I can't imagine most women would line up to join another couple.  Generally if a girl is bi and looking for a woman she doesn't wanna deal with said woman's guy hanging around.

I think on the topic of her getting some on the side, its cheating if its done behind your back without permission, regardless of the other person's gender.  That's why the two of them set up rules beforehand.  So that there's a clear definition of what's allowed and what isn't.

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Wallrat: I agree, actually I am a little leary of the threesome because of the possiblity of her getting into it more than I hoped. That is why we had set up some rules before anything gets going. I also understand about the other girl not wanting some husband involved. So, my wife and I decided to take as it comes and if the possibility arises then we will do it.

Since I travel about 4-5 months out of the year, it could become real possible for her sex urges to drive her in the wrong direction.

But I also look at it this way.. I love her and wouldnt want to loose her. But, if she left me for some woman, or decided to have a little fun while I was gone, I know that would definitely end our marriage, that would be because I would end the marriage because of that. I told her before we got married that there will be no cheating at all, and if there is, I am done and it is over, She understands that.

 

I also buy her toys from time to time to keep her "occupied" while I am away and cant deliver the sausage when she needs it. Tried the phone sex once, it was OK, but nothing worth writing home about.

 

I want to try the threesome, and if she wants to then its that much better, id rather do it with her than have her go out on her own and do it without me (if it is that strong of a desire for her).

 

Another issue is, she is going to get a boob job this summer ( like most women they have insecuritiy issues with their body and want it to look better), so I am going to buy one for her. That alone could raise issues, I have heard that some women, after a boob job, get a higher sense of independance/and confidence. If i dont get her something that she wants, she will do it herself anyway, which means im the asshole, and she got her tits.

The way I look at it, is, if she is going to leave me or ruin our marriage, then it is inevitable, weather we have a threesome, boobjob, or not. But I may as well make her happy and see where our lives lead.

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Jesus loves you!

 

 

 

Everyone else thinks your and asshole!

 

 

 

I'm not getting on your case holy, just thought it was a funny bumpersticker that came to mind when I read this thread.

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I can't stand some of the flamers that you see on TV nowadays, but if the bible says they are all going to hell, the need to re-write that shit again. I had good a friend that I knew all through highschool which was before he ever came out of the closet and I never had the first clue that he was gay. He was raised the same as anyother boy and had a younger brother that was straight. I'm sure that I would have probably grew up with much more of a prejudice if I hadn't known this guy. He seemed normal to me accept he had more hot chick friends than usual which was even better. Also I got the impression that his sexual preference was much more nature than nurture. He wanted to fit in and be the same thing as everyone else, except for whatever reason was attracted to dudes. He couldn't explain why he liked sausage rather than taco, it was just the way it was. So, I guess that I'd say that you shouldn't judge or condem a man or woman untill you've walked a mile in their shoes. I'm not suggesting that you try getting a little ass lovin, but understand that its not always a conscious descision that a homosexual or bisexual makes.

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Homos are violent too :D

 

Chemical... When you were born, you were Hispanic. The only way to change that is to wait til you're old enough to know what it means to be Hispanic and then change your name to Bill Jones and disown your entire family. When brooke was born I'm sure her parents didn't look into her crib with great pride and say "Honey look at our little bisexual girl. She's gonna make us so proud when she grows up and brings home all the guys and/or girls she's been sleeping with".

 

b370... I did criticise ALL of the guys who posted here about doing drugs.

Perverts who molest children should be publicly executed regardless of their religion.

I live near Chicago and have traveled to NeyYork, Miami, Dallas, LA, San Fransisco and Vegas. I hav seen plenty of people of all orientations.

I don't get the leader follower comment.

I never said I was better than anyone. Most of the reason why people say that is guilty conscience or they have an inferiority complex. I accept that people are open about the sexual preference it's the whole reason this thing has taken on a life of its own.

I already told you what I believe in. Didn't you understand?

 

dogboy... That's one thing I can't understand. How a couple can sit down together and make some sort of agreement to have someone else come into the most intimate part of the relationship but then agree to put restrictions on how when and with whom this is to happen and all the while wondering in the back of your mind if you just poisoned the best thing in your life. All banking on the possibility of an hour or so of questionable sex. All I can say about that is make your wife happy yourself. Don't crap where you eat man. Just do the math... it can't be worth it.

 

Ducman... The only difference I have what you said is that I feel a person makes a conscious decision to be gay. Long before a person lights a doobie, he has to be exposed to it, he has to try it, cultivate a taste for it, learn what it is and where to get it and then physically go and search it out. When a person is arrested for DUI there were plenty of times he could have prevented the arrest. Basically it's more than someone stumbling into being gay.

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Chemical... When you were born, you were Hispanic. The only way to change that is to wait til you're old enough to know what it means to be Hispanic and then change your name to Bill Jones and disown your entire family. When brooke was born I'm sure her parents didn't look into her crib with great pride and say "Honey look at our little bisexual girl. She's gonna make us so proud when she grows up and brings home all the guys and/or girls she's been sleeping with".

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I dont think I understand what you're trying to say. If I admit the fact that im hispanic and even wear "brown pride" shirts would that give somebody the right to blurt out racial stereo types to me?

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I dont think I understand what you're trying to say. If I admit the fact that im hispanic and even wear "brown pride" shirts would that give somebody the right to blurt out racial stereo types to me?

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OK I'll give you a real life experience that happened not 2 weeks ago. I went with my wife and my sister in law to the Field Museum in Chicago to see the Jackie Kennedy exhibit. Needless to say, it was interesting but not the high point of my day. Anyway, after you go thru the entire exhibit, there is a gift shop at the end that you have to walk thru to leave. So I stand outside of the giftshop and watch people come out. After a few minutes, a guy was going in at the same time 2 obviously gay guys were walking out. Once the first guy walked past them, the gay guys BOTH turned around and checked out the guys butt as he walked in. It wasn't just a "hey wasn't that Bill glance", it was a stare at his butt to check the quality kind of look. Here's where I draw the line. If they want to stare at his butt, they can go for it. If they stare at my butt, they're gonna have more problems than what I might say. If I happened to see those guys again that day and had the opportunity to talk to them, I may comment on their obvious gayness if the subject was broached. If I had already known the gay guys on a personal level {like coworkers or something} when they stared at the other guys butt, I would have almost certainly made a comment right there.

So go ahead and wear your brown pride shirt, brooke can wear her gay pride shirt. No big deal. But if the 3 of us are gonna have lunch together, don't get all sensitive if I ask you if you're ordering the burrito. I'm ordering a bowl of menudo. And don't get all sensitive if I ask brooke if she's going to order a carne de lengua taco. I would expect you both to kinda roll with it. And I can handle you saying that I must be an a$$hole because I ordered a bowl of intestine soup. I like it with extra onions and cilantro with quesadillas on corn tortillas and before I knew I was alergic to beer, I'd wash it all down with a Modelo dark or Carona with lime. :drool:

That answer it for you?

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OK I'll give you a real life experience that happened not 2 weeks ago. I went with my wife and my sister in law to the Field Museum in Chicago to see the Jackie Kennedy exhibit. Needless to say, it was interesting but not the high point of my day. Anyway, after you go thru the entire exhibit, there is a gift shop at the end that you have to walk thru to leave. So I stand outside of the giftshop and watch people come out. After a few minutes, a guy was going in at the same time 2 obviously gay guys were walking out. Once the first guy walked past them, the gay guys BOTH turned around and checked out the guys butt as he walked in. It wasn't just a "hey wasn't that Bill glance", it was a stare at his butt to check the quality kind of look. Here's where I draw the line. If they want to stare at his butt, they can go for it. If they stare at my butt, they're gonna have more problems than what I might say. If I happened to see those guys again that day and had the opportunity to talk to them, I may comment on their obvious gayness if the subject was broached. If I had already known the gay guys on a personal level {like coworkers or something} when they stared at the other guys butt, I would have almost certainly made a comment right there.

So go ahead and wear your brown pride shirt, brooke can wear her gay pride shirt. No big deal. But if the 3 of us are gonna have lunch together, don't get all sensitive if I ask you if you're ordering the burrito. I'm ordering a bowl of menudo. And don't get all sensitive if I ask brooke if she's going to order a carne de lengua taco. I would expect you both to kinda roll with it. And I can handle you saying that I must be an a$$hole because I ordered a bowl of intestine soup. I like it with extra onions and cilantro with quesadillas on corn tortillas and before I knew I was alergic to beer, I'd wash it all down with a Modelo dark or Carona with lime.  :drool:

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Not really... The whole thing is that you dont know me on a personal level and you dont know brooke either, so you cant compare us to co-workers/friends besides the shit you've been saying hasnt been in good fun you just insulted her. The fact is we know each other the same way the guy you told off knew whoever he wsas talking about.

 

Now with the whole deal about the 2 gay guys that were checking out the dudes ass. I dont agree with it especially if it would make the guy uncomfortable, however it isnt much different with a guy staring at a girls ass either, I mean just because I'm a guy staring at a chick does it mean it's ok for me to practically molest her by constantly staring at her tits and ass? A big pet peeve of mine is when im talking to somebody and they lose their train of though because some chick walks by she doesnt even have to be hot but its enough to put them in a stupor. I know some chicks like it and some dont but the same could be said with guys also.

 

So yeah if were friends and you start crackin jokes about burritos and stuff is fine with me hell i usually dont care. Screamin calls me Pancho and I call him Lucky the Leprichaun. But were not friends I dont know you so does that give you the right to make racial stereotypes like you did with brooke by saying she has to have all sorts of STD's because she fooled around with some chicks?

 

Once again im not arguing just trying to see your point of view...

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ok ive read this shit.

 

1st off, i dont know either of you 2. holyman you on some george bush anti gay marriage or exsistance kick. my god who cares if she chows box. does it hurt your or offend you if so man you need help.

 

im not fond of gay men in the first place, a guy at payroll for my company is gay, is is probably one of the nicest guys i know. he did his job, got my checks to me on time, no problems, what he did on his own time was his deal. let him take it up the ass, what the fuck do i care, doesnt involve me. i personnally dont care for it but im not going to seat out front of the office and protest

 

saying a fag works here blah blah.

 

there is to much other shit in life to worry about. if you have a beef with brooke then thats fine but get over this religious right high brow way of life.

 

like on the news tonite, sponge bob square pants has gay motives in it. i watche d the cartoon at thousand times dont remember any gay references at all in them.

 

basically get over it man, it 2005 times have changed. i know several girls that have experimented with the same sex. gettr done. should we go and shot them for creating a sin big deal

 

 

 

anyways if you dont understand this rant LB SAND

 

move on, im talking about the lesbo deal, anything else between you 2 is between you 2. i could care less.

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chemical... maybe us guys from the Midwest roll with the punches a little easier than you folks. Maybe it's a cultural thing. For example... I was at the junk yard one day getting some car parts. There was a hispanic guy ahead of me who had paid for his parts with a $50. So when the guy at the counter gave him change, he rounded up in the favor of the customer to the nearest dollar and kinda dropped the money on the counter. The customer became furious, said something in Spanish to one of the other guys behind the counter and stomped out. I had no idea what just happened. I knew the guys at the junk yard so I asked what that was all about. The guy who spoke Spanish said that the customer was offended by the way the counter guy dropped the money. He said it was an insult, like throwing some scraps to a dog. I think most people would be happy they got a few extra coins worth of money. Apparently it was a cultural thing with this guy.

 

The way I see it, ALOT of us have been with the HQ for years and dedicate ALOT of our time to it and each other. In my book that makes us on the same level and "friends". If screamin calls you poncho and you call him lucky, then obviously you can handle some barbs. All I'm saying is that if I hang around with someone for years, they should be loosened up enough to handle it. Around here, in my circle of friends, you've got a week, at most, to get loosened up. If you can't handle it by then, the pressure doubles. Since alot of us work construction or have worked construction, there is an endless barrage of material. Especially sideways compliments and double entendre's. You have to learn fast because if you don't get the joke, then everyone IS laughing at you and not with you. The guys in my group also need to show humility. If you can't crack on yourself, then you don't have the right to crack on someone else. So when I said that I'm an a$$hole because I eat intestine soup, it means I am what I eat. That shows that I am acknowledging brooke's poke at me and even agreeing with it. And if you are what you eat, then you can translate what brooke is :evil: From my point of view, it's light, playful, bantering not evil minded uber-righteousness. So maybe you can see it from my angle now.

 

Now for STD's. The fact is that women are more susceptible to STD's than men because of the design of their bodies. The uterus is made to retain fluids where as the penis is designed to release fluids. Once diseased fluids enter the vagina they are kept warm and moist where they quickly reproduce. The male has only a small penile opening with which he can receive the diseased fluids. The rest is exposed to air upon withdrawl where the moisture dissipates providing a much less hospitible atmosphere to produce disease. A female who has vaginal sex with multiple partners exposes herself to much more risk than the males. A woman who has oral sex with with men also invites those diseases into the mouth where they can easily reproduce since it is like the vaginal cavity, warm and moist. A woman who has oral sex on bi-sexual women takes the same risks as one who has vaginal AND oral sex with multiple men since the other woman presumably has had vaginal sex with men. For those who choose to have oral sex AT ALL outside of a completely monogamous relationship, the risk of disease is immense since all it takes is one wet kiss to transfer STD's from one person to the next. Oral sex by itself is risky because of the risk of biological illnesses that are not considered STD's. Remember you are putting your mouth on the toilet of the body which discharges all of the toxins and biological matter that the body has rejected. The uterus constantly discharges small amounts of dead tissue and of course during the menstrual period, blood and uteran lining is also shed. The groin also has many sweat glands which release wastes onto the skin. The body rejects these tissues and fluids because they are un-healthy. As mentioned, men can avoid many diseases from vaginal sex simply because of the design of the genitals. However men become as at risk as women when it comes to anal sex and oral sex. The diseases from the wastes in the rectum are easily transferred during oral sex and since "crap smears" and doesn't dry quickly, the diseases can survive much longer outside the body. Meaning it get's transferred to the vagina and mouth nd to other parts of the exposed body. In the end, you'd almost have a lower risk of disease by licking the toilet in the subway. It is cleaned on a regular basis and it's dry so minimal disease growth can occurr. Hopefully some folks got a more open understanding of STD's. And maybe it was something some folks never really thought much about :shrugani:

 

wesw...

1- George Bush is an idiot and I've already discussed this at length in a previous post.

2- I've already said I don't care how much prison sex brooke or anyone else has, but like anything else, if you are doing it, don't be all sensitive when someone else knows you're doing it and says something about it. If I secretly smoke piles of crack, should I get all put out if someone finds out?

3- I'm not part of the religious right.

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