PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 I found this article on the dynoport website, I'm not sure how old it is. It discusses how track safety needs to be improved and controlled. http://www.dynoport.com/safety-article.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNBRAD Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 Interesting article. Yea if too many people are getting hurt, you can bet the government will step in and put regulations on it. The reason is these accidents are not just costing the injured person, it affects all of us. Someone has to pay for these injuries that may require life long care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 thats fuckin rediculous. if we wanna go out and try a 90 foot triple i dont think the government should have any say in it. thats fuckin ignorant. its kinda like seatbelts, it only affects us when we get in a wreck yet we are forced to wear them. it should be your own choice. as for these wrecks, the ones that are gonna be paying are the ones involved. they assume the risks and take their chances. who is the motherfuckin govt to say we cant take chances anymore? hell next thing theyll ban is cars, and we wont be able to drive anywhere cuz its unsafe. this shit needs to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNBRAD Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 thats fuckin rediculous. if we wanna go out and try a 90 foot triple i dont think the government should have any say in it. thats fuckin ignorant. its kinda like seatbelts, it only affects us when we get in a wreck yet we are forced to wear them. it should be your own choice. as for these wrecks, the ones that are gonna be paying are the ones involved. they assume the risks and take their chances. who is the motherfuckin govt to say we cant take chances anymore? hell next thing theyll ban is cars, and we wont be able to drive anywhere cuz its unsafe. this shit needs to stop. 301024[/snapback] See that's the problems Loco, is people think if they want to take these risks, no one else is affected. Some of these accidents result in paraplegia paralization requiring life long care. Who pays for this? We all do, whether medicare medicaid, insurance company, we all do. People wonder why insurance and medical care is so high. This is part of the problem. It affects too many people and the government steps in. It sucks no doubt, but I want to be able to afford to take my kids to the hospital when they have an ailment. This is basically the same issue with helmet laws and traumatic brain injury claims. It costs us all millions of dollars every year cause of kids or whoever rislking life and limb running around without helmets. You where a helmet don't you? Seat belts shouldn't be any different. Maybe it's just the stigma that it is required by law. There are no easy answers but it helps to know the bigger picture. I just think it's more important that my family has reasonable health care costs so I can afford to keep them healthy and some guy out there's trying to do a triple for the first time running up my health care costs. Just my .02. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightrider Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 (edited) That article is old as dirt,I'm sure if they were planning to do something,it would have taken effect by now.Obviously the manufacturers have'nt been advised,The showrooms are still flooding with offroad machines and off road vehicle sales are through the roof.I wouldn't get too worried its nothing but heresay.I heard about the two deaths here in Ohio when they occured and nothing really ever came about it. The only People who are suffering are the track owners/operators.Insurance companies have put alot of ohio tracks out of business over the past 10 years.Some dumbass gets injured at a track and all hell breaks loose.Liability and skyrocketing premiums have forced many to close there doors. CPSC Ban motocross?,I don't think so. But drive the track owners out of business with rising insurance costs,Already been happening for years. Edited January 2, 2005 by Nightrider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireman-hott Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 See that's the problems Loco, is people think if they want to take these risks, no one else is affected. Some of these accidents result in paraplegia paralization requiring life long care. Who pays for this? We all do, whether medicare medicaid, insurance company, we all do. People wonder why insurance and medical care is so high. This is part of the problem. It affects too many people and the government steps in. It sucks no doubt, but I want to be able to afford to take my kids to the hospital when they have an ailment. This is basically the same issue with helmet laws and traumatic brain injury claims. It costs us all millions of dollars every year cause of kids or whoever rislking life and limb running around without helmets. You where a helmet don't you? Seat belts shouldn't be any different. Maybe it's just the stigma that it is required by law. There are no easy answers but it helps to know the bigger picture. I just think it's more important that my family has reasonable health care costs so I can afford to keep them healthy and some guy out there's trying to do a triple for the first time running up my health care costs. Just my .02. 301031[/snapback] No the PROBLEM doesn't lie in people getting hurt and needing lifelong care. Hell thats been going on for YEARS AND FUCKING YEARS. Hell ask your parents most wonder how they ever survived into adulthood. The PROBLEM lies in those gosh damn motherfucking lawyers and judges with an agenda. How can you honestly even get a lawsuit to court over spilling coffee on yourself, let alone getting millions for it. How can a doctor treat you for Herpes than get sued because he cause the patient emotion distress making him feel uncomfortable when diagnosing him. How can a person sue a gun manufacturer because a gun they produced killed someone. How can a person sue a store for slipping on ice in the parking lot. Most of all how can these stupid fucking juries dole out MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS to the plantiffs when they win. You wanna know why we can't do any of this anymore. Theres your fucking reason right there. I lose respect for anyone that sues over something totally ignorant, like the fat fucks sueing over McDonalds making them fat. Christ whatever happened to common sense and accepting the consiquences of our actions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNBRAD Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Fireman, that's why I said it is part of the problems and it is. You don't think so, find out why seat belt laws and helmet laws were inacted. You think in our parent's generation that there were as many injuries related to motorcycle's and vehicles per population? Look at the stats bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 No the PROBLEM doesn't lie in people getting hurt and needing lifelong care. Hell thats been going on for YEARS AND FUCKING YEARS. Hell ask your parents most wonder how they ever survived into adulthood. The PROBLEM lies in those gosh damn motherfucking lawyers and judges with an agenda. How can you honestly even get a lawsuit to court over spilling coffee on yourself, let alone getting millions for it. How can a doctor treat you for Herpes than get sued because he cause the patient emotion distress making him feel uncomfortable when diagnosing him. How can a person sue a gun manufacturer because a gun they produced killed someone. How can a person sue a store for slipping on ice in the parking lot. Most of all how can these stupid fucking juries dole out MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS to the plantiffs when they win. You wanna know why we can't do any of this anymore. Theres your fucking reason right there. I lose respect for anyone that sues over something totally ignorant, like the fat fucks sueing over McDonalds making them fat. Christ whatever happened to common sense and accepting the consiquences of our actions? 301058[/snapback] word. people just need to take responsibility for their own actions. and besides, what makes a difference if we end up paying for it. fuck, i already pay so much in taxes now its not funny so whats a few more bucks id rather pay a little more in taxes or whatever then have the govt tell me i cant ride my shit anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireman-hott Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Fireman, that's why I said it is part of the problems and it is. You don't think so, find out why seat belt laws and helmet laws were inacted. You think in our parent's generation that there were as many injuries related to motorcycle's and vehicles per population? Look at the stats bro. 301077[/snapback] Stats can be made to read anything you want. Figure if there are 100 cars on the road 20 years ago. 5 of those 100 got in wrecks thats a 5% accident rate. Now 20 years later theres 10,000 cars on the road an 400 have been in accidents thats a 4% accident rate. WoW look its lower, but they dont show you that fact they show you that OH MY GOD the Accident rate has increased 4000%. Oh shit we gotta enact laws to protect everyone. When in reality the saftey measures have been doing thier job and dont need modification. Also on a side note if theres only a 100 cars on the road whats the chances of an accident happening compared to there being 10,000? You have to adjust for the increased usage of cars and the increased distance people have to trvel from thier homes to thier jobs. Seatbelt laws were passed to protect car manufacturers and the state from one of those bullshit lawsuits. The arguement would come up that You know they save lives yet you did nothing to enforce the use of seatbelts. Helmets will fall under this scope here real soon. Yet another consiquence of our litigaous<sp?> society. Also look at what the anti-atv people are doing about ATV safety. Oh shit look the accident rates have increased we can't allow them on the state land people are getting hurt. They dont tell you that ATV sales have increased exponentially, and 90% or more of the injuries are poeple doing shit they shouldn't be. Not wearing a helmet, taking a triple as your first jumping attempt, riding 80mph on public roadways to your riding trails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNBRAD Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Yea it's all based on percenetages, you have to look at it per capita or it's not accurate info or stats, an example: When they inacted the helmet law in cali, they said the rate of traumatic brain injury went down, though the number of liscensed motorcycle riders decreased also. Some people didn't want to ride anymore cause they didn't want to wear helmets. Some people look at this information as being a good measure. No it's not, though most people don't know how to look at research and statistics and tell if it is good research or not. The research did show a drop in TBI based on helmet laws but not as significant as it would be not comparing the percentage of the populous that actually ride them. Good research will try and take into account all variables. And yes there are a lot of variables. But it doesn't mean that it's not safer to wear a seat belt and a helmet. Variables change with time. Motorcycles are faster, kids are ridiing them younger, quads are getting faster etc. All these bad variables lead to a greater increase in injury. Lets hope the governement isn't going to make laws based on those stats. It's those individual organization with these agenda's to "shock" the public with these bogus stats. They are true, but not the full truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenBB Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Most of all how can these stupid fucking juries dole out MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS to the plantiffs when they win. 301058[/snapback] Exactly man, when the legislation is dictated by people too stupid to get out of jury duty...well shit happens I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2kbanshee9187 Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 That is rediculous if the government wants to do that, just another way to control the people. Dont really agree with changing the tracks either. I remember when I used to ride BMX bikes and sometimes still do. I couldnt hit some of the jumps that were there or at the local riding places but Im not going to just go change the track. You either find another place to ride or just get better so you can hit the jumps. Some people are pathetic and cant take responsibility for their own actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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