2k4_Shee Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 (edited) I have a stock 04 shee and i have decided to pipe it. I know this is an age old topic and i searched before i posted but i didnt find what i was lookin for..I dont plan on doing any major motor work maybe a little down the road but no time soon..I ride trails, climb hills, fields and drags are also sometimes in there but not too often..What pipe is right for me to really wake this sleeping beast up..I want a pipe that really hits hard and is reasonable...Any help is appreciated.. Also what pipes would give be the best run against 450's with pipes ? *puts on flame suit, and grabs the water bucket* Edited December 30, 2004 by 2k4_Shee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNBRAD Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Well you can't go wrong with the fmf fatties. I've always said their probably one of if not the best all around pipe made. They do have their faults but it's not in the performance, just the finish. They rust a little easier than I like but some poeple it doesn't bother. I just like a finish to last that I payed for. You will notice a night and day diff too. Others will chime in here with some great recommendations too. Good luck with your decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixitrod Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 I've had fmf fatties from stock to 4mm stroker. I still don't want to get rid of them. RNBRAD is right about the fatties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryda85 Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 i heard the t6's are good on a pretty stock motor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sredish Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 I've had fmf fatties from stock to 4mm stroker. I still don't want to get rid of them. RNBRAD is right about the fatties. 299622[/snapback] I'll third that. I had some and got rid of them for my PTs. While I really like my PT's, I loved those Fatties, and that was a wrong decision. Even if I had the Fatties, i'd probably still run the PTs for my racing, but the Fatties are one of the best pipes ever made. Inexpensive and they are an all out great performer, from stock to +4 stroked, they just work. The reason they're so inexpensive is because of the thinner finish, but with a little maintenance, that can be eaasily overcomed. I had mine for well over a year and when I sold them, I 000 steel wooled them and they were like brand freaking new. Should have kept them, in fact, I'm probably gonna buy a replacement set because I liked them that much. And BTW, they come on with a decent low, killer midrange and a nice top end pull that will hang with any T5s or similar pipes. The powerband on the T5's is actually very similar, except the T5s peak a tad higher in the revs, like only 600rpm higher, but not quite as strong, 1 hp less or so. Also, the torque doesn't come on quite as strong, but if you lay the two dyno curves on top of each other, they're almost identical, except the T5s don't quite peak the same and they have a dip in the torque. Whew... that was a lot of typing... sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2k4_Shee Posted December 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 (edited) basically what im gathering is that the fattie's and toomey's (t5) are very similar with the exception that the toomey may have a slight higher peak but the torque of the fatties are higher and come on a lil stronger? Which pipe would do better against piped 450r's and yfz's...Anyone have opinions on gnarlys? Edited December 30, 2004 by 2k4_Shee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sredish Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 I've never seen a dyno on Gnarlies, but they're said to have more low end torque and less top end. I personally have never tried them. You are right with the fatties versus toomeys, they are very similar, and the differences are subtle. the fatties do have a tad more low/mid torque where the toomies have a slight dip. but we're talking babyshit tho, maybe 1hp peak and 1 or 2 ft lbs more with the fatties. The toomeys have more overrev which help them on the top end. I've got my eye on a set of T5s to try out for a little while since I've never ran them for any length of time. I figure I'll switch my pipes out depending on the riding situation. For something to fight the 4 strokers with, either one will probably be fine. More low/mid torque would help in the launch tho. Most races against those machines are lost at the launch. They have so much torque, they jump out ahead and make it hard to catch up. If you can match their launch, then you got it made. Tires and gearing will also help get you there quicker, remember gearing is key in winning drags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2k4_Shee Posted December 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 (edited) Indeed i have raced both and have won and lost against both in stock trim. I found out never race on lose gravel with stock tires, *shh* i lost to a z400 on lose gravel bc all i did was spin like hell through 5th gear, then we raced on pavement and i handed it to him hard. I lost to both the 450's 1 time a piece and beat them 2 times a piece bc of better starts (we we all in stock form). With gearing what should i swap the front or the back i know if i change the front tooth it is basically like swapping 2 sizes in the rear, correct? What would u recommend gearing size so im not completely killed on top end.. thx for the help guys also thats why i was asking about the gnarly as i have heard the have killer low-end, but im not sure if they just die after that Edited December 30, 2004 by 2k4_Shee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixitrod Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Indeed i have raced both and have won and lost against both in stock trim. I found out never race on lose gravel with stock tires, *shh* i lost to a z400 on lose gravel bc all i did was spin like hell through 5th gear, then we raced on pavement and i handed it to him hard. I lost to both the 450's 1 time a piece and beat them 2 times a piece bc of better starts (we we all in stock form). With gearing what should i swap the front or the back i know if i change the front tooth it is basically like swapping 2 sizes in the rear, correct? What would u recommend gearing size so im not completely killed on top end.. thx for the help guys also thats why i was asking about the gnarly as i have heard the have killer low-end, but im not sure if they just die after that 299761[/snapback] If you gear down you will spin more. One tooth in the front is like 3 in the rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2k4_Shee Posted December 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 how does this work? Say i buy a pipe thats has killer low end and ok the rest of the rpm's and just install a top end sprocket. That way my low end pipe will pick up the slack of the top end sprocket..does this work or has anyone tried it? Bc a low end sprocket and all over pipe would be overkill ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2004LEBanshee Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Love fatties but the rust like a mofo. You need to wash and polish them within 3 days of riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixitrod Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 You've got the idea. You have to play with the pipe combo and gearing for the type of riding you are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixitrod Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Love fatties but the rust like a mofo. You need to wash and polish them within 3 days of riding. 299808[/snapback] Not if they're chrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2004LEBanshee Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Mine are but the mud spots the hell out of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeenyus Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 yon cant go wrong with the Fatties! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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