loganskinner Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 my god guys. who cares if you carry a gun or not. im with turbo on this one, you dont carry a gun because you are a pussy, you carry a gun just so that you are prepared. in that situation, i would have had to step in and at least have tackled the guy with the skateboard. he was fucking that other guy up. i for one would rather talk my way out of a fight, than get into it with someone to prove to them "how much of a man" i am. but if i carried a firearm, and someone threatened my life, the first thing i would do is let them know that i am willing to defend myself, by letting them know that i have a firearm. you dont just pull it out and shoot them. thats the last resort. i dont think the guy with the skateboard deserved to be shot, but had i been there, and been carrying my sidearm, he would have known right off the bat that i had it and that he needed to stop what he was doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkzilla Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Turbo I agree with you 600%. I do not carry but my wife does. We have 4 small children and with all the crazy people in the world today ie SKATEBOARD JACKASS. You just never know.I know that we each have our own opinion but I am here to tell you if some one came at me with a skateboard like that guy did in the movie, I would feel just as threatened as if he had an M-16A1 pointed at me. I would have used anything in my means/power to stop him. Now I aa not trying to cause any more problems than this post already has, but I did feel like I needed to post my opinion as well. I was really pissed at all those people just standing around. This is america if we don't look out for each other who will look out for us? Just remember this ,I read it from a good book. AN EYE FOR AN EYE A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurbochargedOne Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Happy to see the guys who agree with me speaking up. I appreciate it. The guys who seem to think it's not necessary are definately in the minority. banshee04le I'm 30 years old. Been around guns all my life. I grew up around them. They are second nature to me, much like wrenchs and sockets are to a mechanic. They are a part of my every day life. A I stated earlier, I have had to draw 3 times in my life. Once because of an attempted car-jacking by 4 guys and me by myself on the way home from my cousins house about 2 in the morning. Another because of a drunk who decided come at me with a lead pipe (reason unknown and there was no way for me to retreat) and the other was a house break-in when I was 15 years old by an armed burgler. My friend, like I said, you have no idea who I am and no right to judge me. You were 100% wrong with your ASSumption that it was my "big mouth" that got me in trouble. You should have quit while you were ahead. It is you who has the big mouth as well as the guy who called me a pussy for being able to defend myself the best way I know how. So, you've been working in a bad neighborhood for a long time and have never needed a gun. I'm very happy for you. I hope to God you never need one, either, as it's obvious you don't carry one. Some people aren't as lucky as you. Bad things happen to good people. Some of us try to prepare ourselves for those bad things and pray they never happen. Why do you have such a problem with that? Why can't you go about your life the way you want and let me go about mine as I want? Look at the rest of the posts in this thread. You are in the minority, my friend. Your posts have gone beyond being "curious" as to why I (or anyone else in this thread) carry a gun and have tilted towards mocking. I have no beef with you. I don't mock you for NOT carrying a gun, why do you choose to do so to me because I DO carry a gun? That's ok, you go ahead and dial 911 when something bad happens. Funny how the people who think citizens shouldn't carry or say they have no reason to carry call 911 to summon the people who DO carry guns (the police). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurbochargedOne Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 (edited) "Sure I may decide to get a permit to carry a handgun one day" You can't. Illinois is NOT a shall-issuse state. Apparently, the Edited November 16, 2004 by TurbochargedOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Wow what a post. Just read through it. I just want to point out something that I didn't read anybody else point out, or atleast I don't remember. I watched the video and I watched the guy run away in the end. Nobody knew what that guy was going to do to the guy getting the beat down. It would have only taken one more correctly positioned swing to kill the guy on the ground. What I'm trying to say is something I think TurbochargedOne eluded to. NOBODY KNEW TO WHAT EXTENT THAT GUY WOULD GO TO. Hindsight is 20/20. After seeing the video it's easy to say that he just needed a beat down but he could have had friends with guns or a gun on his person. If I had been there unarmed I would have tackled the guy possibly getting myself beat up or one of the guys friends shooting me but I would have tried, it's who I am. If I were armed I would have lifted my shirt and told the guy to get out of there before I got involved from then on he gets what he deserves if he says Ok man and backs away good for everybody if he runs at me two shots center mass. On the other hand if I were getting the beating I would hope TurbochargedOne was standing there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurbochargedOne Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 (edited) PUSH THE THROTTLE, Excellent post. The point is, you DON'T know what other scum bags are there with that guy or if he has a gun on him. The point is to be prepared. Assume nothing. All it takes is that one time not to carry for something to happen. "Well, i'm just running to the corner store for some milk, I don't feel like strapping on a belt, gun, etc". Bad mistake. Geeze, if it's a short ride, don't even bother wearing your seat belt, right? Same goes for wearing a helmet. "Gee, all i'm doing is riding the Banshee in the garage to put it away for the night, no need for a helmet". Guys, shit happens. Be prepared. "On the other hand if I were getting the beating I would hope TurbochargedOne was standing there." I got your back, bro. Be safe. Edited November 16, 2004 by TurbochargedOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Well one thing we agree on is that I DO have a big mouth but I still haven't ever "needed" a gun. I have a gun at home and I have a gun at work, but I don't feel the need to carry one all the time. I'm smart enough to realize that if everyone did carry, the world would be less safe, not more safe. "Sure I may decide to get a permit to carry a handgun one day" That was not my quote, as you implied. You said You should have quit while you were ahead Right back at you "my friend". "I am trying to understand why someone feels the need to carry a handgun with them all of the time (other than a cop)." Did you even think before you typed that? Are you serious??!! Your asking me why I feel the need to be able to protect myself all the time? HUH???? That also was not my quote as you seemed to imply. I'm through here. If you have to strap on a gun 24/7 so you don't feel SCARED when you "walk to the corner for some milk", thats your problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkzilla Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 This has turned into one of the best threads I have ever seen online. I am still stuck on that movie. If it really was real WTF is wrong with all the people standing around. I mean if you see a fight and one guy is getting his ass beat oh well it sucks to be him. But if you see a guy getting beat with a skateboard or a pipe or a shovel stop them. Someone mad the comment in on of the posts on here if he would have hit that girl it would have been on. Well I am sure that alot of other people feel the same way, but why can't they help a guy? I am not picking on whoever wrote that in the thread I am just really disturbed that noone there was too worried about that poor guy. I have a family to think about but I sure couldn't just stand by and watch that go on. I have been around guns all of my life and I would protect myself and my family with one if need be. Hell I even bought my oldest son a rifle for christmas when he was 7. He now understands how it works and what to and what not to do with it or any gun for that matter. I think the biggest thing wrong with antigun people is ignorance. A lot of people put down what they don't know. Guns don't kill people dumbass people kill people. I am sorry to waste everyones time but I just needed to put my .02 in this one too. Oh and if any one has any spare time check out the 10 commandments. We could use a little more of that in our life today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurbochargedOne Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 The quotes weren't for you, they were for another member who posted them previously. If you were paying attention, you would see the person I was addressing lives in Illinois. Apparently, that's asking too much of you. Also, you say the world will not be a safer place if you strap on a gun. That's not why we carry guns. We don't carry guns to make the world a safer place, we carry them BECAUSE the world is NOT a safe place. We carry them to make US safer. Again, I don't carry a gun because i'm "scared". I carry a gun to better protect myself and my family. There is no ego involved. If you feel you have to mock me because I carry a gun and you don't, fine. I really don't care. I'm not like you, I won't mock you back. I honestly hope you are never in a position that you need one, especially since you don't think you need one. Like I said earlier, some people simply need to learn the hard way. Tell you what. If you're such a tough guy and not "scared" to go out unarmed,next time you're in a bad neighborhood, wear a shirt with the words "hey, i'm not carrying a gun" in big, bright letters. After all, you're a tough guy. You'll be able to fight off all the bad guys, right? Even if they are the "pussy" types who carry guns... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 I work in St Louis and that is what I have down as my location, but I live across the river in Illinois ASS. So the mistake was logical. Now I will finish reading the rest of your post...just wanted to address that real quick. I may or may not have more to say on this topic. I'll let ya know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurbochargedOne Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 I think the biggest thing wrong with antigun people is ignorance. A lot of people put down what they don't know. 281770[/snapback] Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurbochargedOne Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 (edited) I work in St Louis and that is what I have down as my location, but I live acrossthe river in Illinois ASS. Edited November 17, 2004 by TurbochargedOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Ok, I read the rest. I still say if you feel the need to carry a gun all the time to make you feel safe, then you must be scared without it. And wearing a shirt that said "hey, I'm not carrying a gun" or whatever would not make me feel any more threatened than if I was wearing armor. Ok, maybe I would feel a little less threatened in armor . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurbochargedOne Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Ok, I read the rest. I still say if you feel the need to carry a gun all the timeto make you feel safe, then you must be scared without it. And wearing a shirt that said "hey, I'm not carrying a gun" or whatever would not make me feel any more threatened than if I was wearing armor. Ok, maybe I would feel a little less threatened in armor . 281784[/snapback] I grew up in NJ, where citizens aren't allowed to carry. Lived there for over 20 years. I was never "scared". You're argument doesn't work. Of course you wouldn't feel threatened if you wore that shirt, you're a tough guy, remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 You said with your ASSumption.No difference as far as I'm concerned. Oh, and I'm through whenever you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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