Blue Duece Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 I'm afraid that you have just lost all credibility with me. im fuckin heartbroken.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blue Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 yeah the new 17 HMR is a popular round but it has nowhere near the logn range effectiveness of a higher powered centerfire cartridge buddy of mine shoots dogs at up to 535 yards i believe was his longest succesful shot the 17 is damn good for squirrels though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenr74 Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 I'm not sure what those people call themselves but they sure aren't hunters. I guess everybody gets their kicks differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 I'm not sure what those people call themselves but they sure aren't hunters. I guess everybody gets their kicks differently. thanks Ken, that was my point, just seems kinda chicken shit to go out and blast shit, then sell the video on the internet, doesnt matter how you justify it........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 (edited) I'm not sure what those people call themselves but they sure aren't hunters. Edited October 20, 2004 by PUSH THE THROTTLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broke Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 I'm not sure what those people call themselves but they sure aren't hunters. I guess everybody gets their kicks differently. I won't even watch the video, but there seem to be two different kinds of hunters to me. There are those with I believe serious self esteem issues that just like to shoot shit to remind them that they are on the top of the intellect and food chain, and the others that hunt for the sport and actually would like to eat the meat, and/or have a nice rack over the fireplace. I won't pass judgment on the video seeing as I didn't watch it, but they really seem to fit into the first group from the responses. I have nothing against hunting, especially with a bow because there is quite a bit of skill involved and a huge margin of error. I guess I just grew up too close to the city to understand the excitement this brings to certain people. But now hunting something that can fight back with weapons that actually require you to get close enough for the animals to attack in defense would be something to see. I guess it comes down to those that enjoy the hunt and the others that just enjoy the kill. I'm sure this will get some negative responses from the hunters here, but it's good to hear both sides of anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurbochargedOne Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 (edited) For those of you who think "varminting" is useless killing... http://www.seekersoftheredmist.com/why.html It's a bit more than "kinda chicken shit to go out and blast shit, then sell the video on the internet, doesnt matter how you justify it........ " as you can now see. Perhaps a little research on the subject may be in order before you pass judgement on it and the people who participate in it. One would think this would be second nature to ATV'ers of all people. After all, the tree-huggers all think we are nature-hating environmental murders in their eyes. The statement you made quoted above mirrors this narrow-minded attitude. Edited October 20, 2004 by TurbochargedOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheefreak Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 thats right blue there not hunting!!!! but they are target practicing for the next hunt..lol my boss went to western kansas few yrs back and did some target pratice.. he said there was hundreds maybe thousands of them dogs... he said they killed some many it starting getting old... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blue Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 exactly what PUSH THE THROTTLE said they are exterminating, praried dogs are very damaging animals to land and livestock, and they breed like rabbits for everyone you see there are probably 10-15 more in the dens. the ones being shot are lookouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broke Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 For those of you who think "varminting" is useless killing... http://www.seekersoftheredmist.com/why.html It's a bit more than "kinda chicken shit to go out and blast shit, then sell the video on the internet, doesnt matter how you justify it........ " as you can now see. Perhaps a little research on the subject may be in order before you pass judgement on it and the people who participate in it. One would think this would be second nature to ATV'ers of all people. After all, the tree-huggers all think we are nature-hating environmental murders in their eyes. The statement you made quoted above mirrors this narrow-minded attitude. You right there were the one who made the distinction between hunting and "varminting", which is the point I tried to make in my last post. I said it before and I'll say it again that I DO NOT have a problem with what I would call "honorable" hunting. If you have blurred the line between hunting and exterminating, there is nothing I can do about that. You brought up the topic of ATV in comparison to hunting. It was a good comparison, you just see it differently than me. I do see a difference between the rider who rides on marked trails, and one who rides on public roads. Another between someone who respects the land they ride on and just ripping through private property. Someone who just runs from the cops when caught riding on private land compared to the person who actively participates in getting more riding area open. You are the one who likes to put everything together and blurs the lines. I guess that's the problem, ANYBODY can own an ATV and anyone can own a gun(save the arguement on that, we can list exceptions for everything.) I quote the Simpsons " But Mr. Simspon, there is a three day waiting period on hand guns. Homer replies; But I'm mad now!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecabinboy Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 They dont call it "The Red Mist Society" for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 For those of you who think "varminting" is useless killing... http://www.seekersoftheredmist.com/why.html It's a bit more than "kinda chicken shit to go out and blast shit, then sell the video on the internet, doesnt matter how you justify it........ " as you can now see. Perhaps a little research on the subject may be in order before you pass judgement on it and the people who participate in it. One would think this would be second nature to ATV'ers of all people. After all, the tree-huggers all think we are nature-hating environmental murders in their eyes. The statement you made quoted above mirrors this narrow-minded attitude. i own land and understand the problem, you breezed right past the "sell the video on the internet" statement, ill bet thats to raise money for some childrens foundation, so my bad, takes a pretty sick puppie to get a kick out of watching something being blown up, and then of course frame by frame as well, or are we gonna argue that thats normal too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurbochargedOne Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 (edited) I think a big deal is being made about labeling what to call this. Some say hunting, some say varminting. Same thing when someone calls an ATV a "bike". A bike is a word most commonly used to describe a motorcycle. However, on this site, we know when someone says "bike" they are refering to an ATV. Same is true for hunting and varminting. Hunting is a broad term used to decribe the many ways in which to harvest game and pests. Fishing is also a broad term used to describe the taking of fish. For example, trolling is vastly different than fly fishing which is also described as an art form. Yet, they both result in the same thing...the taking of fish. Get it? For those of you who think varminting isn't hunting and requires no skill, I would like to see you accurately hit a moving target no bigger than a Coke can at distances that can easily reach out to 500+ yards. Don't think that requires skill? Did you also know that "calling" is used in varmiting much like you would "call in" a deer or elk? No skill you say?! The fact of the matter is, these people aren't out for kicks when they varmint hunt. They are contolling the ever rising number of rats that infest fields used to grow crops and raise cattle. Varminting IS hunting. Trolling IS fishing. For anyone to say varminting is useless killing is being ignorant. Just ask the farmers and cattle ranchers who lose tens of thousands of dollars each year to these rats. Call it hunting, call it exterminating. Either way, it's a necessary thing. Just ask those dinosaurs. Ever wonder why they became extinct? Also, comparing ATV ownership (a privilage) to gun ownership (a constitutionally protected right) is silly. Think anyone can legally own a gun? Commit a felony and try to buy one through legal channels. You can't use something as part of your arguement and then tell me to "save the arguement". If you bring it up, it's fair game (no pun intended). Now, to touch on the topic of selling the video. What you don't see in these video promotions is what else is contained in the video. Precision marksmanship, equipment tutorials which include picking the appropriate ammo, rifle and spotting scopes, ammo selection, bench rests, etc are almost always included in these videos. The actual shooting is shown to also demonstrate the effectiveness of different calibers, loads, etc. which is paramount to picking the right rifle/load to make the most humane kills possible. Remember, the alternative to varminting is the use of poisoning. Poisoning is not only an agonizing way to die for the varmint, it also runs the risk of contaminating our food supply (remember, all this is done on farms which is where our food comes from!!). I suppose some people rather farmers use poison to induce a slow, painful death for the rats and run the risk of being food poisoned rather than the varmints be shot and die instantly? One thing I must ask, if you object to the whole thing, why in the hell would you take the time and effort to download the video? Edited October 21, 2004 by TurbochargedOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelbanshee2 Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 thats pretty neat..amazing what those rounds will do. looks kinda like when i shot a rabbit with a 30-06! And yes it is hunting...to me hunting is waiting/walking around looking for for an animal to shoot. Seems some people only think hunting is creeping around with a bow and moving with the wind like an indian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitchenBanshee Posted October 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 (edited) I think a big deal is being made about labeling what to call this. Some say hunting, some say varminting. Same thing when someone calls an ATV a "bike". A bike is a word most commonly used to describe a motorcycle. However, on this site, we know when someone says "bike" they are refering to an ATV. Same is true for hunting and varminting. Hunting is a broad term used to decribe the many ways in which to harvest game and pests. Fishing is also a broad term used to describe the taking of fish. For example, trolling is vastly different than fly fishing which is also described as an art form. Yet, they both result in the same thing...the taking of fish. Get it? For those of you who think varminting isn't hunting and requires no skill, I would like to see you accurately hit a moving target no bigger than a Coke can at distances that can easily reach out to 500+ yards. Don't think that requires skill? Did you also know that "calling" is used in varmiting much like you would "call in" a deer or elk? No skill you say?! The fact of the matter is, these people aren't out for kicks when they varmint hunt. They are contolling the ever rising number of rats that infest fields used to grow crops and raise cattle. Varminting IS hunting. Trolling IS fishing. For anyone to say varminting is useless killing is being ignorant. Just ask the farmers and cattle ranchers who lose tens of thousands of dollars each year to these rats. Call it hunting, call it exterminating. Either way, it's a necessary thing. Just ask those dinosaurs. Ever wonder why they became extinct? Also, comparing ATV ownership (a privilage) to gun ownership (a constitutionally protected right) is silly. Think anyone can legally own a gun? Commit a felony and try to buy one through legal channels. You can't use something as part of your arguement and then tell me to "save the arguement". If you bring it up, it's fair game (no pun intended). Now, to touch on the topic of selling the video. What you don't see in these video promotions is what else is contained in the video. Precision marksmanship, equipment tutorials which include picking the appropriate ammo, rifle and spotting scopes, ammo selection, bench rests, etc are almost always included in these videos. The actual shooting is shown to also demonstrate the effectiveness of different calibers, loads, etc. which is paramount to picking the right rifle/load to make the most humane kills possible. Remember, the alternative to varminting is the use of poisoning. Poisoning is not only an agonizing way to die for the varmint, it also runs the risk of contaminating our food supply (remember, all this is done on farms which is where our food comes from!!). I suppose some people rather farmers use poison to induce a slow, painful death for the rats and run the risk of being food poisoned rather than the varmints be shot and die instantly? One thing I must ask, if you object to the whole thing, why in the hell would you take the time and effort to download the video? Turbochargedone: I agree. Brooke: I also agree with you on your hunting issue. However I too belive that Varmiting is different from hunting. I belive your right on you "Self Esteem" relation to hunting. Thats exactly why I don't hunt and never did. I got into varmiting in Eastern washington. The coyote problem (also included in Varmits) along with the prarie dogs were destoying our hayfields and killing calves. My grandfather bought me my first 270 and together we would exterminate the varmits. To me it is the same as rats or mice in your house. Tell me brooke, if you had rat, mice, cochroaches, or termites in your house, would you call an exterminator? Coyotes and prarie dogs are the farmers rats, termites, and cochroaches. I don't fault anyone that is against this. Most city people would see it as a useless killing when in fact, it's just extermination. Edited October 21, 2004 by BitchenBanshee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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