tooling Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 You guys! did any one of you try a richer cutaway in your carbs!,Idont see anything in the forum where anyone has tried them! The closest thing was locco guy with trying stock carbs but that dont change the flow assemetryof the slide itself , It means nothing! someone try it and then rejet and post what your results! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PassionRE Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Well, where do I start? We have people on both sides of the isle, funny thing is, some of them have the exact same designs. We have Kabina putting bike lengths on 7mm Kurtz motors while it rips his arms off while Locogoto cant find his bottom end even though it used to rip his arms off as well...same engine (or used to be). We have prichard kicking ass while 3 exact motors in Kansas are having jetting problems, or at least 2 of them, one of them is running good now...built all the same time, even boxed up together. We have Duece and Xtshee smiling while they shit their selves, and another guy in New Mexico that mails me Christmas cards while he orders stroker motors 5 sets at a time (probably marketed by some other trade name I'm sure) while a guy with the same engine cant get the jetting on the money. I have RebelBanshee2 kicking ass on teetsy little carbs go figure. I have guys in Missouri that trash a certain reputable builder, you all know the name, on the phone with me while they out show 426 big bore stroker motors making "95 HP", or at least that's how they are marketed anyway by a huge name in the biz. Gee, I cant even keep track of how many motors he's ordered.Ive got a guy in Canada swapping places with 10mm Cheetah's on the race track with the absolute exact copy of Locogotos motor down to the carbs,pipes,reeds timing, domes and valve-stem caps.This guy just gushes on the phone...really friendly sort. He tells me Im way too cheap for what I do, so I promised him I would rip his ass apart next time just to make him feel better.Ive got a guy in South Carolina that shipped me his Cheetah for rework after he got smoked out on the track by one of my 4mm short-track motors. I sent it back untouched along with two sets of 12 ports, the Cheetah is still on the shelf last I heard.Ive got Oilsmoke outrunning CR500's up Choke Cherry when worked out raptors are dogging out, he clears the top effortlessly at respectable speed, oh yeah, on carbs so out-dated I cant even believe it runs that good, good job Steve. I've got local race-teams just selling out on fire sales because they are getting smoked so bad they cant even show their face at the track anymore. I've got 80 year old big name builders ending up with stolen bikes just so they can look at my stroker cylinders realizing they spent 50 years of their life building and couldn't come up with anything that fast....I used to go to him in my early twenty's for advice right before I broke the world water speed record...he still asks me questions about that one, and I still just smile and nod my head until he changes the subject.. I have caller ID, how handy..I can spot the competition inquiring...that's really flattering .I've got Proquad smoking everybody in the Nationals in Joplin, 2nd place guy was on one of those big name big bore stroker "95 HP" OMG's....pulled him down the straight, what a sight. Im sure the builder was upset since he just won Pikes Peak a few weeks earlier. I've got PlaynSand on his playbike on a budget smoking big name drag bikes in Texas...that bike is so reliable I could put street tires on it and ride out have a few beers with Duece. I've talked porting specs over the phone and given directions and the guys go home and beat big name ported shees, sure feels good, don't it? And of course, all of this was by accident, nobody could be that skilled..right? As a builder I have the hardest time holding back on designs. I sell what I race...but I've yet to sell what Im capable of simply because most of the general public cant handle it or tune it. I've been designing 4 new engines over the last few months but Im really giving second thought to releasing them because of just that. I was really looking forward to releasing my 110RWHP 4mm motor. A few of you are familiar with what Im talking about and BigWill will get his X1, And Kabina will get his X3 ...I promise. Its possible that the 12 port stroker might have just crossed that line I was so reluctant to cross. I commend those who have managed it. I've released tips and set-ups and a lot of the people have just ignored my advice..I cant help that. I have people order motors for a specific purpouse and they wonder why it acts funny on the trails. Trash me if you must, the ones that have the skill will still be calling me.Afterall, my only other option would be to build only average motors "as seen on TV"...soon available at Wal-Mart. And I don't need the money that bad. I don't do this for the money, I do it because I have something to give...Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justintoxicated Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 (edited) Oh yea, for the guys runnig stock carbs...are you runing stock needles? I had toomy type needles and I think that may have been part of the problem...Oh well...running well now. I have a feeling the guys I was racing against recently probably had strokers, at least some of them, I know they had alot of other extras that are still stock on my banshee Jim I would have taken your advice from the beginning about the carbs and reeds I just didn't have the money. I'm sure your port is at least better than anything I would have gotten localy. Can't wait to hear about your new designs when I'm ready to trade in on one of your 450 killers , like a 4 or 7 mil stroker. Edited October 15, 2004 by Justintoxicated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkabina Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Man that was a good response. I can't wait for the new motor!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssbanshee Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 i think jim proved his case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tats4life Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 well said Jim...........my patriot motor didn't run perfect when i got it back together.....but all it took was time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKJK Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 exelent responce Jim! i was allready sold on one of your set ups then i came across a smoking deal i could'nt pass up.allthough at some point in the near future i would like to get myself one of your legendary 12 port strokers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23champ Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 3 exact motors in Kansas are having jetting problems, or at least 2 of them, one of them is running good now...built all the same time, even boxed up together. In responce to this portion of the post. Yes, 1 of them is running good while the other two are set up identical to it, only difference are heads. The one thats running good has 22cc domes in a trinity stage IV head. Mine has 22cc in a vitos head. My buddy has 21cc in a noss head. By the way, the one that runs good hasn't always ran good. MY brother (the owner) had gotten tired of messing with the jetting, like the rest of us, and let it set for about a month. Meanwhile my buddy and I bought the big carbs, which affected the power curve in no way. We all decided to go ridding one day and my bro drugg his out of the shed and fired it up, warmed it up, and took off. he came back with a bigg smile on his face saying that it raun better than it ever has. I got on it and took it for a spin and to my amazement he was right, no dead spot anywhere, just smooth clean power all the way. Yep, it sure felt nice having that bitch run the way i had expected, only problem was it wasn't mine. Mine still ran like poop. No, i'm not saying its slow, because it is far from slow. I Runs very well if you rape the shit out of it. but he if i wanted that i would have gotten a full drag port. I wanted something with power over a broad rage of rpm. This dead spot is killin me But I think I have the remedy on the way... new slides moral of the story.. how can they all be set up the same and, one run totaly different? not only that but, how can it tune itself over a months time????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 But I think I have the remedy on the way... new slides moral of the story.. how can they all be set up the same and, one run totaly different? not only that but, how can it tune itself over a months time????? tats, you know i tried settin mine up forever. how many conversations did we have where i was bitching to you about it 23champ, hopefully thatll solve the problem. and i too think its kinda strange it "tuned" itself. i wish mine would have tuned itself. if so, my head would hurt less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duecebanshees Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 (edited) 3 exact motors in Kansas are having jetting problems, or at least 2 of them, one of them is running good now...built all the same time, even boxed up together. In responce to this portion of the post. Yes, 1 of them is running good while the other two are set up identical to it, only difference are heads. The one thats running good has 22cc domes in a trinity stage IV head. Mine has 22cc in a vitos head. My buddy has 21cc in a noss head. By the way, the one that runs good hasn't always ran good. MY brother (the owner) had gotten tired of messing with the jetting, like the rest of us, and let it set for about a month. Meanwhile my buddy and I bought the big carbs, which affected the power curve in no way. We all decided to go ridding one day and my bro drugg his out of the shed and fired it up, warmed it up, and took off. he came back with a bigg smile on his face saying that it raun better than it ever has. I got on it and took it for a spin and to my amazement he was right, no dead spot anywhere, just smooth clean power all the way. Yep, it sure felt nice having that bitch run the way i had expected, only problem was it wasn't mine. Mine still ran like poop. No, i'm not saying its slow, because it is far from slow. I Runs very well if you rape the shit out of it. but he if i wanted that i would have gotten a full drag port. I wanted something with power over a broad rage of rpm. This dead spot is killin me But I think I have the remedy on the way... new slides moral of the story.. how can they all be set up the same and, one run totaly different? not only that but, how can it tune itself over a months time????? Change in the weather bro !!!!!!!!!!! The change in the weather changes the way your bike runs. And just think you were that close to being jetted right !!!!!!!! And to think that only the change in the weather effects it that much !!!!!!! Edited October 16, 2004 by duecebanshees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatTrackinIt55 Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 well, if it was a change in the weather why didnmt it make all of them run good, if they all set up the same?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duecebanshees Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 (edited) Well first lets see he mentioned that they all have different heads. And something about different carbs being ordered. Then that the one that all of the sudden ran good was left to sit. ( meaning that no one tweaked on it ) The other two, who knows the way this story is going. So you say only weather change ? Well the only one that we can say that was effected by the weather was the one left to sit. Rock on Bro !!!! Man the variables are never ending the domes in each head, the carbs, the timing. He says set-up idetical but he mentions the differances. So that tells me that they are not identical !!! Just my opionion. Also don't forget fuel and oil mix. Man like I said it will never end. Edited October 16, 2004 by duecebanshees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheefreak Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 that was a good post..jim... i brought up got1banshee -- banshee for the reason that it seems alot of guys here in kansas and mo are the ones that have problems running right...i still say passion motors kick ass it tuned right and i'm sure loco agree's.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 that was a good post..jim... i brought up got1banshee -- banshee for the reason that it seems alot of guys here in kansas and mo are the ones that have problems running right...i still say passion motors kick ass it tuned right and i'm sure loco agree's.. im sure id like it if i could get it running right. ive got no complaints about the top end, its wild. its just the bottom and mid that are not there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oilsmoke Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Jim that was Insightful Post. As is any business you will always have the few that are not happy with it.I work in customer Service and See it all the time. If you stand behind your stuff and you do. That's what Counts, after that It's up to your customer to tune it with the combo They have put together. And I know You care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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