That is not a flip-flop.

[fixitrod]

I still love ya Rodney.

 

[PolyKarbon]

I've been to kuwait on my way to Iraq. I was there for about 2 months and those people didnt seem rich to me. It still looked like the damn ghetto. Maybe I just saw the bad spots though. And UPS, whats your damn problem with 'they dont let women vote' like its a good thing. Land of the free huh? I bet if you had it your way all the women would wear veils. F.A.G.

Edited October 7, 2004 by PolyKarbon

[rebelbanshee2]

i love how haliburton is the ultimate comeback for the libs...

[Meat]

Meat,

50/50 where did you get that info?

 

This is what I found for ya......

 

Foxnews.com today. "By a thin margin, Bush leads Kerry 48 percent to 45 percent today in a head-to-head matchup among likely voters"

 

 

(CNN) -- "President Bush and his Democratic challenger, Sen. John Kerry, are about even among likely and registered voters in the latest CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, released Sunday.

 

The poll showed Kerry and Bush tied at 49 percent each among likely voters interviewed. Among registered voters Bush had 49 percent and Kerry 47 percent. Independent candidate Ralph Nader was favored by 1 percent in each group."

 

Washington Post

Poll: Kerry Gains on Bush

President's Lead Narrows to 49-47 Among Likely Voters

 

By Richard Morin and Christopher Muste

Washington Post Staff Writers

Wednesday, October 6, 2004; 5:11 PM

 

"Democratic nominee John F. Kerry has gained ground on President Bush since last week's presidential debate and narrowly trails Bush among likely voters in one of the most closely followed presidential campaigns in at least two decades, according to the latest Washington Post tracking poll.

 

Bush leads Kerry 49 percent to 47 percent among those most likely to go to the polls. Independent Ralph Nader continues to barely register nationally, receiving 1 percent of the vote.

 

Bush's current two-point advantage among likely voters is well within the survey's margin of sampling error, marking the closest the race has been.

 

The poll also found that most Americans believe they have not gained ground economically since Bush took office."

 

 

Name another contractor who COULD do

the job in Iraq???

I don't know the names of oil companies, but im 100% sure Haliburton is not the only company in the whole world who could do this "job" in Iraq. Besides thats not the point, the point is... favortism for big business that happens to be the company our Vice President worked for as CEO. Its called a conflict of interest, and anytime something like that happens, there are people who are going to stand up to that bullshit. Government and big business scratching each others back is not good for Democracy and its NOT THE AMERICAN WAY.

 

 

 

i love how haliburton is the ultimate comeback for the libs...

Dude, that is so weak. that the best argument you could think of ? Look everyone, I don't claim to be correct on every decision I'v made in my life, but when your wrong.... your wrong, and it takes a man to admit that he's wrong. You guys are in denial.... and so is your leader. You can't admit when your wrong, and the evil liberals are gaining ground on yas. But hell... BUSH HAS BALLS... and if your not a Bush supporter you don't have any balls....and thats all what counts..... I say we don't even debate the next war... and we invade Sweden next !!!!! Im all for layin' down the law on these terrorist, I don't think anyone will side with those bastards, but..... there is a right way and a wrong way to things.... and unfortunatly Mr. Bush went about his Iraqi war the wrong way.

Edited October 7, 2004 by Meat

[rebelbanshee2]

I don't know the names of oil companies, but im 100% sure Haliburton is not the only company in the whole world who could do this "job" in Iraq. Besides thats not the point, the point is... favortism for big business that happens to be the company our Vice President worked for as CEO. Its called a conflict of interest, and anytime something like that happens, there are people who are going to stand up to that bullshit. Government and big business scratching each others back is not good for Democracy and its NOT THE AMERICAN WAY

actually it pretty much is. It is one of 2 in the world. the other is french and they were excluded from any deals. Haliburton is doing the work at a lower than usual profit margin....check out factcheck.org its an independent site (not a right wing propoganda site) and has adressed the haliburton issue

[Wallynut]

I'm not flaming anyone, just my pov.

 

Clinton used Haliburton during his reign, did you know that? Haliburton has done some bad things, there's no denying it, but when some of those things were done, that was before Cheney worked for them. The fruit cakes in the Kerry campaign would have you believe that Cheney is getting paid off by Halliburton, but the truth is that he gets a certain amount of money each year as part of his "retirement" from them. He gets that money whether or not they make money, even if they were to go belly up, just like most people USED to get when they worked for a company for many years. As for giving work to an American company, I personally don't see a problem with that. Better then giving the contracts to the French, who wouldn't support us. Look into the "oil for food" garbage that the French, Germans and other countries were abusing, then show me why the we should work with them. Funny how some people will support what CBS did to help Kerry, but damn everyone for supporting an American company because it comes down to not liking capitalism. Capitalism is better then communism.

 

First thing Kerry will do if he gets into office, more gun control.

Second thing Kerry will do if he gets in, raise taxes.

Third thing Kerry will do if he gets in, take away access to public lands.

[Meat]

Second thing Kerry will do if he gets in, raise taxes.

Where do you think the money will come from to pay our 3 trillion dollar debt ?

 

Third thing Kerry will do if he gets in, take away access to public lands.

Thats bullshit too, the last thing on Kerry's agenda is attacking the offroading community and locking up our public lands. Fighting the eco-nazi's is done on a much smaller level, we... the atv riding comminuty can stand up to them. If Kerry leans towards the ecologist side of the issue, do you think he can just say..... "close Glamis" and bam its closed ?? No way dude. Its scare propaganda. If you base your vote on Kerry might close our riding areas, then you don't understand how a democracy works and how everyone has voice in our country. If we would all join in and fight for our right to ride.... we would never see a single acre of land close. scare propaganda.

 

 

 

 

Kerry campaign would have you believe that Cheney is getting paid off by Halliburton, but the truth is that he gets a certain amount of money each year as part of his "retirement" from them. He gets that money whether or not they make money, even if they were to go belly up, just like most people USED to get when they worked for a company for many years.

This was just all over the news last week.... NO ONE FROM KERRY'S CAMP is or has ever claimed Hailiburton is slipping money to Cheney for favors. Cheney get 2 mil(I think thats the number) every year as part of his retirement deal. FALSE INFO HERE FOLKS, DON'T LET THIS SHIT PERSUADE YOU.

 

 

goodnight folks, its been fun but its gettin' late.

Edited October 7, 2004 by Meat

[KGL]

Meat,

Go back and check my posts , I did admit when I was wrong, and it was

YOU who corrected me.

50/50?... close enough , I was just curious where you got that figure.

I dont think it could be a conflict of interest with Cheney/Haliburton

if he no longer works for them. Didnt you watch the debate last night,

Edwards brought up Haliburton at least twice... and I believe he is

considered in Kerry's "camp". However, govt. has always been scratching the

backs of big business , they know who is paying the majority of the

taxes , and funding their campaigns , Republican and Democrat.

As seen today, they will always find a way to get money to "their"

party, its just the way our system works.

I agree with Wallynut , its better than giving anything to the French

and German bastards.

As for Kerry flip flopping, they are his OWN words you cant deny that.

Now in your opinion, what would have been the appropriate way to

deal with Iraq?

Edited October 7, 2004 by KGL

[brock_fuzzy_69]

i knwo ti sounds crazy

but the bigger the national debt the better the economy goes around for us

 

its a funny thing to say but any good economics intructor can explain it to you

 

historically the more money that gets spent the better the economy goes in teh years folowwing his term

 

need i mention that bush senior spent an asswad of money and the economy picked up right about the tiem clinton got settled into office

 

clinto did everything he coudl to lower teh national debt and by the time he gets out things are sliding downhill

 

 

and throughout history the democrats raise taxes and use the money to lower the national debt

 

and considering that kerry is a tree hugger i wouldnt be suprised if he tries to take away or limit our access to public places

[Brooke]

I've been to kuwait on my way to Iraq. I was there for about 2 months and those people didnt seem rich to me. It still looked like the damn ghetto. Maybe I just saw the bad spots though.

hey man, i have no clue lol im just re-stating what the chick on oprah said cause thats what UPS was basing his comment on.

oprah's show bothers me, too liberal, cry on my shoulder cause my husband yells at me, type shit. in the same show she also had an iraqi woman on there saying that because of the war, all iraqis are now addicted to vicodin. lmfao so, yea, theres the gague we're workin with here

[BitchenBanshee]

Edited October 7, 2004 by BitchenBanshee

[boonman]

HOw is it "bullshit" that Haliburton was the original contractor used in the first Gulf war? IMHO, and ALOT of others, it is the only logical choice to go in there and handle it. There isn't a single other American company that can organize and handle the magnitude of the operation that is going on over there. Whether or not I agree that we should be over there re-building is besides the point. (I don't think we should be there rebuilding BTW, we should be cleaning house) There is shit over there that ONLY that company should be dealing with. And just because the top officials in government are tied to this company, suddenly it's wrong? WHat if CEJ is contracted with the LARGEST parts contract for the country ever amassed, and then 4-8 years, he get's elected president. Suddenly, it's a conflict of interest? Nonsense. Haliburton was used before, and they will be used again, untill someone else steps to the plate that can handle the job.

 

Meat, Please don't take this as a flame to you. It is just my thoughts on the whole Haliburton situation..... And facts as well.

[Ducman]

... My all time favorite Kerryism : " You better believe I might have "

Now I know how he got his purple heart , his balls were shot off .

I like the sound bite where Kerry says "Would that it were, would that it were." WTF it that supposed to mean? I also like when they play the specific statements made by Kerry about Iraq that are 100% contradictory to eachother which are part of his flip flop fopar. Sadam poses an imminent threat to the safety of the US, Sadam did not pose an immenent threat. Kerry, get back to us when you figure out which way you want to go.

 

All I want to know is who out there would vote for Ted Kenedy for president? Well guess what Kerry's voting record in congress is to the left of Kenedy's. They read a long long list of his voting record on the radio and I was amased, this guy votes as liberal as it gets. He's part of the Dem. group that will vote against anything that is brought to the table by Reps. Furthermore, he votes for just about any tax increase that was ever concieved.

 

Kerry and Edwards in 04'

[sheeweet]

but the republicans fail to report that the same bill also tagged on some fine print about NO-BID contracts to Haliburton.

For doing the laundry Haliburton makes a 2% profit.

 

For the management of oil exports out of Iraq Haliburton makes a 3% profit. The normal reward for companies that handle oil exports is 10% to 15%.

 

Although I to believe Bush is a weak leader, inarticulate, noninformative, illegal alien loving for cheap labor (but so are the Dems for cheap votes), he is all I have to count on in a president at this time. In my estimation Bush is a liberal on many domestic issues. A few issues I care about he seems to the right, which I like. But mostly he seems too liberal for my liking.

Kerry, on the other hand, now he in my estimation is a socialist. I don't need to say what I think of him because it has probably already been decribed in many different ways already. But if 50% of the people are prepared to turn it all over to international law then you go right ahead and vote for that Son of a Bitch. And then you can all go to hell for all I care. And I don't give a damn what you think about me and my beliefs. You'll see me in arms at that time.

 

M

[zephead400ex]

http://www.factcheck.org/