PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 I think it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 i think alot of the problem is americans have been in this "im entitled" mode for decades, so when some moron comes along promising riches to the factory worker, their ears perk up, the old saying "you get what you pay for" still holds true, what ever happened to "no balls no glory".......seeing a 50 year old guy that works at Target kinda sickens me, is that all this guy has ever aspired to be? a fuckin clerk at Target? when i started my biz i had 1000 bucks worth a equipment, a dream and a trophy set of balls, i still work 20 hours a day and the daily naps i get, i wake up in a cold swet, wonding if im gonna clear 150k this month to pay my nut, but i have no one to blame but my self, if the googoo dolls dont record there next album in my studio, or i dont land the next disney film, im blameing kerry for it, cause im sure that asshole will get the gig, he's got a better bullshit line than bush.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightrider Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Its easy for people to say"just pick up your shit and move to where the work is"...Well my house has been on the market for 8 months,I'm looking into somethin smaller and I have a boat at the islands.Lots of loose ends that I don't have time for,not with working 60 hours a week. Its pretty F*ckin easy to run your mouth when you don't have to worry about any of that.You can believe I'm going to exhaust every oppertunity to make a living in this city before I pack up and run.It takes more of a man to tuff it out than run from your problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGL Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 (edited) Ok Nightrider, obviously logic is a foreign concept to you... I AM TALKING ABOUT JOBS AND SUPPORTING YOURSELF. This "asshole" isnt dependant on the govt. for my well being as you so desperately would like to be... How about this , my four year old understands this concept so I thought you might have a fighting chance at it... You have a choice: #1 sit in a sinking boat . - or- #2 get out and swim to shore. no one is around to throw you a life preserver (govt) what do you do? Please, impress us all with your vast knowledge of everything in the universe and reply to us mere mortals with your thoughts... W-04 Edited October 19, 2004 by KGL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightrider Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 (edited) I would say a captain always goes down with his ship,but with my luck my boat would sink next time I go out on a cocktail cruise. I am not dependant on the Govt.,but as americans we are lead to believe that they are there for our benefit,Why vote?why have politicians?why have a democratic goverment.Why do millions and millions of americans vote in elections when it doesn't make a difference.Why do they waste our hard earned tax money on putting these people in office and paying there salaries? I was under the impression that our votes meant something and we the people had the power to change things.Your clearly stating that our votes don't count and we can't change the fact that jobs are lost or old people need healthcare or the rest of the world hates us. I am by no means a know it all,but I know one thing for sure,You are one of the firm believers that voting is a waste of time and our goverment is only democratic on the outside. I'm glad your 4 year old daughter can grasp the concept,I hope that she can grasp the concept that you are a feeble minded person(i would say man,but your a puss) who would rather "run like a raped date" than fight for something he believes in or ATTEMPT to do his part to make things change and build a better america for her to grow up in. This is not just about going where the work is or "swimming to shore".It has now become bigger picture for the simple fact that you stated our goverment is USELESS and regardless who we elect,nothing will ever change and our fate has been sealed. Edited October 19, 2004 by Nightrider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Knightrider, I think your missing KGL main point, which correct me if I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooke Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 I have your solution though, vote Kerry and get yourself a sugar daddy to marry so you won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightrider Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 I think your missing KGL main point, which correct me if I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 I have your solution though, vote Kerry and get yourself a sugar daddy to marry so you won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGL Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 My intentions were not to belittle anyone or condem there ideas,I apologize KGL if I offended you with certain remarks.Life is good where your at,so its hard to see outside of that spectrum.Your suggestion of moving to where work is,is easier said than done,I would say I hope it happens to you some day,but I would not wish that kind of thing on anyone.Especially with a family,that tends to make it even harder.You just get to a point where your sick and tired of our leaders telling us that everythings going to be alright,yet they do nothing about it.At the same time there begging us for our votes.Then someone tells you that you can't change anything,so its useless to vote.So now my hands are tied behind my back while I take punches and if I don't want to get hit anymore I can always run.IMO that just sucks! Nightrider, Sorry to burst your bubble but youre not the only one who's been laid off before... shitty deal , I would have rather been fired, at least then it would seem to have had a reason. But life goes on and you do what you have to do. Im giving you a hard time here because you talked like there are no jobs left in Ohio and its the govts. fault . If theres other work available , fine... you just made it sound like you had no other options. If you can make it till your area gets back on its feet , all the power to ya. My whole point is that YOU are responsible for your own well being. I didnt say anything about votes counting , or the govt. being useless , if you want my actual opinions on those issues go read the posts I've made here before you decided to chime in, its all there. Every assumption you have made about me has been thrown out the window... first you thought I was a kid who is just running his mouth, then for whatever reason you thought I was 60 and therefore close to retiring and lucky , then Im upper class "born w/a silver spoon" ??? whatever the case, you were trying to paint yourself as someone who is in a unique situation that no one else could possibly understand... well get over yourself , your not special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallynut Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 I lost 3 jobs while Bill Clinton was in office getting serviced by his intern. As much as I dislike liberals, I will not blame him for those loses. I moved to a larger city to be able to find work, I never thought of it as "running away". I don't like the area I moved to, too much traffic, too much crime, can't ride anywhere, gotta trailer my atv's. Can't hunt anywhere even close to this area, but I have a job, I have a nice home, and I am able to trailer my stuff. I know some people that live off the government, I wouldn't want to ever live that kind of life with my hand out. Too much bullheaded pride I guess. Bad things happen to good folks, and how they assert themselves and deal with it are the factors they are judged by. Not a slam, but a push into the right direction. As said before, YOU have to want to get yourself out of that crappy situation. There may be no visible solution, but if you keep pushing on, something will come along. Believing that the government is gonna take care of you is a pipe dream. There is nothing that the government has taken over that hasn't been done better by individuals. Look at education, public schools are failing, thier solution-throw more money at it. Healthcare, go to a VA hospital, compare it to a regular one, enough said. There is only one sector where the government shines, that is in thier own jobs, BUT, that is on the back of tax payers, which won't be able to carry that load for long. I wish you the best Nightrider, I've been there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightrider Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 As much as I would like to argue your points,I can't.You both made good points about how our goverment is not what we percieve it to be,which brings me to my next question...Why vote for Bush? Obviously he will make no attempts to alleviate some of the major issues we face "inside" the united states.Should I just say f*ck it and not vote at all?There has to be some reason that I'll waste 20 minutes of my time going to the polls in November? If the voting for a potential candidate will offer me no benefit,why should I waste my time to help them achieve their goal?There obviously will be nothing in it for me. My main concern is NOT homeland security or peace for the people of Iraq,but I should cast my vote for Bush anyways?IMO terrorism will always exist because its so easy.Its a cheap shot and anyone who's actually taken a cheap shot before knows there wasn't enough time to react to it.We have bigger domestic issues,Bush has no plan for them and Kerrys plans will not work.So why should I vote if the issues I most care about will be overlooked for 4 more years. The biggest line of BS I hear is"Don't you want us to be safe from terrorism"well,yes,but we will never be safe from terrorism.Terrorist are like drug dealers,there is always someone waiting to take their place.Not to mention most of the terrorist attacks over the last 15 years have come from americans living inside our borders. So my question is why cast my vote for Bush,Obviously,I'm not losing sleep at night over the War on Terror,so what other benefits will there be for voting Bush in 04'.Why vote for any candidate at all? Kerry might not be the answer our domestic issues,but we will never know if he fails to get elected,Kerry more than likely is a bad choice to lead us in Iraq,but personally I really don't care.I would rather see our own problems attended to than the U.S helping everyone else but there own. I know more than anyone that politicians offer nothing but empty promises,but you can only hope that they make good on one and that "one" is the reason you took the time to go to the polls and cast your vote.Do you understand the point I have attempted to make?Or should I quit wasting my time to register and getting out to cast my vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 As much as I would like to argue your points,I can't.You both made good points about how our goverment is not what we percieve it to be,which brings me to my next question...Why vote for Bush? Obviously he will make no attempts to alleviate some of the major issues we face "inside" the united states.Should I just say f*ck it and not vote at all?There has to be some reason that I'll waste 20 minutes of my time going to the polls in November? If the voting for a potential candidate will offer me no benefit,why should I waste my time to help them achieve their goal?There obviously will be nothing in it for me. My main concern is NOT homeland security or peace for the people of Iraq,but I should cast my vote for Bush anyways?IMO terrorism will always exist because its so easy.Its a cheap shot and anyone who's actually taken a cheap shot before knows there wasn't enough time to react to it.We have bigger domestic issues,Bush has no plan for them and Kerrys plans will not work.So why should I vote if the issues I most care about will be overlooked for 4 more years. The biggest line of BS I hear is"Don't you want us to be safe from terrorism"well,yes,but we will never be safe from terrorism.Terrorist are like drug dealers,there is always someone waiting to take their place.Not to mention most of the terrorist attacks over the last 15 years have come from americans living inside our borders. So my question is why cast my vote for Bush,Obviously,I'm not losing sleep at night over the War on Terror,so what other benefits will there be for voting Bush in 04'.Why vote for any candidate at all? Kerry might not be the answer our domestic issues,but we will never know if he fails to get elected,Kerry more than likely is a bad choice to lead us in Iraq,but personally I really don't care.I would rather see our own problems attended to than the U.S helping everyone else but there own. I know more than anyone that politicians offer nothing but empty promises,but you can only hope that they make good on one and that "one" is the reason you took the time to go to the polls and cast your vote.Do you understand the point I have attempted to make?Or should I quit wasting my time to register and getting out to cast my vote? That Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGL Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 ...and every candidate says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 (edited) Just wanted to add to a point I made awhile back that Kerry hasn't done anything useful. http://www.factcheck.org/article282.html At the final presidential debate, Bush said Kerry had passed only five bills during his career, and Kerry said he had passed 56. Actually, we found eleven measures authored by Kerry have been signed into law, including a save-the-dolphins law, a law naming a federal building, a law giving a posthumous award to Jackie Robinson last year, and laws declaring "world population awareness weeks" in 1989 and 1991 Here's a list for those who don't like links. S.791: Authorizes $53 million over four years to provide grants to woman-owned small businesses. (1999) S.1206: Names a federal building in Waltham, Massachusetts after Frederick C. Murphy, who was killed in action during World War II and awarded (posthumously) the Medal of Honor. (1994) S.1636: A save-the-dolphins measure aiming Edited October 20, 2004 by PUSH THE THROTTLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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