Nightrider Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 (edited) Nightrider... how long did it take to loose those 230,000 jobs? all of them just in the last 4 years? This may be just a "crazy" idea I'm throwing out here but... if there arent any jobs in your area MOVE TO WHERE THE WORK IS! Edited October 18, 2004 by Nightrider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 McDonalds and Walmart are always hiring, everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3752616.stm Connection to Bin Laden? Why would Al Quieda be defending Iraq if they have no interests there? Can you help me on this Shelby since you know all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGL Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Do so,me research KGL instead of talking out of your ass.I live in Ohio,you don't.Obviously you have no idea what your talking about and your just some dumb kid running off at the mouth.You obviously have not realized the severity and effects that this kind of impact will have on everyone(including people living outside ohio)I love the nerve of people like you,who have no IDEA what the F*ck there talking about,yet they have plenty to say.If you lived in ohio,I might want to hear what you have to say,but since you don't,then "turds" come out of your mouth when you talk. Move to where work is??Thats about the dumbest thing I've heard since I heard George W speak at the debates.Where would we move to?Think about what your saying KGL,seriously.How would that affect the people that can't move,The people who own small busineses like machine shops,grocery stores,family owned busineses.How will these people be able to continue making a living if a very large percent of there customer base relocated for a better job.Not to mention,how would you feel if us ohioans all moved to Illinois and took jobs from people you know because we were better qualified or were willing to work for lower wages.How would that effect you and your economy? I thought we still ran this country,but obviously our goverment does now and we have all become pawns in there game of chess. Man I guess youre right... you should just stay there and wait for someone else to fix your situation Youre correct , I dont live in Ohio , but I also dont have to put a gun to my head to find out what will happen. Research huh, lets see... ever heard of the great depression? did everyone sit around and just wait to die poor? No , they MOVED TO WHERE THE WORK IS ... how do you think the west got settled , did people just move out there to be "one with nature?" Hows that for your history lesson, or did it just sound like "turds coming out my mouth?" Been a while since someone called me a kid , but if youre 65 years old I guess I might be that to you. The govt cannot wave a magic wand and create jobs for all Ohioans , they can only offer tax incentives to bring bussiness back... I'd be glad if you moved here to work , makes more sense than what youre doing now... pawn. Our system is capitalism , if you cant make it with your small bussiness its time to try something different , or go to work for someone else, its called reality... you should try visiting sometime. Shitty deal? maybe , but thats the way it is , make the best of it ! you know the graveyards are chocked full of people that thought the world couldnt exist without them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireman-hott Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 I like how everyone goes for the Jobs lost factor. Its sad really that everyone quickly forgets about the dotcom bubble Bush came in under, the WTC, and all the Enron esque scandals from CLinton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightrider Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Our system is capitalism , if you cant make it with your small bussiness its time to try something different , or go to work for someone else, its called reality... you should try visiting sometime. Many people can "make it" with small business,but you still need the consumers.If the consumers don't posses the capital to purchase your service,then how can you survive as a small business. If your as old as dirt then you have obviously see the boom of manufacturing in the U.S.A and the recent fall. Maybe your retired,well lucky you,you are more fortunate than the thousands of elderly workers that got shut out of factories that they gave there blood and sweat for for 30+ years.Only to be bought out or forced into retirement 10 years too early.No one wants to hire a 55-60 year old,I don't care what skills or trade they posses.They prefer younger,healthier people who will give them 30 years of good work.A good friend of mines father spent 30+ years at LTV steel only to get bought out at 57.He busted his ass for that company and put 4 kids thru OHIO STATE.Now he has to work at Target just to get benefits and a few bucks till SS kicks in.He did what he had to do,but thats sad,wouldn't you say? From your views KGL,I would wager your from the upper class.Probably a business owner or maybe you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth(more than likely).Maybe you outsource or hire illegal aliens.Whatever the case may be,I think your the one thats out of touch with reality.Its easy to forget about the little guys when you have always been on top.Either that or you were once a "pee on" and now that your on top you figure "F*ck the pee ons of the world" If everyone thought like you then the other 47 states would have turned there back on the 9-11 attacks since it had no direct affect on them.The 47 other states would have told the people of NY,D.C and PA to move to less polpulated areas that terrorists would have no reason to attack.We would have never attacked Iraq and we would just keep moving so we can live safely from terrorism.Those are your exact words with a different twist. What I simply tried to state is,what happens in one place will have an effect on everyplace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Knightrider, I feel for ya sounds like the Ohio situation sucks. On the other hand you plan to vote for Kerry which I feel is exactly what is going to hurt you more than ever. The sending jobs over seas wasn't Bush's fault as Meat posted previously. Let's look at what Kerry plans to do for you. A few job related things from the debate: 1. Raise taxes for $200,000+ incomes. 2. Increase minimum wage. 3. Give everybody health care. Item #1 - Great idea raise taxes so that companies that I personally would rather work for will be less likely to add employees because they will use the wages that they could have paid an additional worker to pay their taxes. Item #2 - Increasing minimum wage doesn't seem very smart to me. Prices of goods will have to increase to pay for the increase. Employees across the board will also expect an increase in pay, causing more strain on employers. Item #3 - Almost as important as pay, healthcare is a significant reason to get a job as even you stated above. If healthcare is provided for everybody why not be a bum? As for healthcare for children I don't know about other states but parents in Iowa can already sign up their children for health care at drastically reduced prices if they don't have coverage, so Kerry's benefit here is useless. Also employers will not need to provide health care if the gov will so why would they? Let's look at these items with respect to big business: Item #1 - If I was CEO of a company making more than $200,000 a year I would want a raise to compensate me for the increased taxes I will pay so I will send my jobs to Mexico to make the additional money. Item #2 - doesn't matter the jobs outside of the US are unnaffected. Item #3 - Also a non issue they don't provide it anyway. The main problem driving jobs oversees that's not addressed is Union workers the demands that unions put on companies (increased pay and benefits) are a huge factor in moving the jobs elsewhere to make them a non issue. $37/hr assembler at John Deere doesn't make sense to me. I believe that the above reasoning on big business is that it will be fine when the small businesses will be hurt, do you disagree? Why you would think that someone who gets 50 million a year from a trust fund set up by a company that has located 80% of it's own jobs outside of this country will help you is poor judgement in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 (edited) im not saying saddam wasnt a piece of shit, hell i was pissed that the 1st bush didnt take him out, but all this shit is just a huge screw up. sure he out of power, but the iraq dont have electricity and water up. it gets to 110 deg there, i would want elect for ac, so i would be pissed off also, 110 is cold there. I don't think that they really miss AC since the majority of the country never had it. What good is AC when your house has no windows and the blocks used to build them have gaps between them. Iraqis are used to the heat. I grew up without AC so did millions before us it's not a neccessity. Edited October 18, 2004 by PUSH THE THROTTLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Push... Around Metro Detroit the majority of yard signs are pro Bush. My wife & I went to Cleveland last weekend and throught most of the westside of the cities suburbs Kerry was the majority. I have yet to pay attention to car stix, I will however look this next week for I travel a lot as well. I'll keep ya posted... I still haven't seen a Kerry sticker with a ribbon. Most farm houses I see with silos and barns have Bush signs. Most law enforcement officers have Bush signs. Most unions and lawyers have Kerry signs. More to come..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUSH THE THROTTLE Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 (edited) I had to post this link, voting is a mess I don't know how they will solve this stuff. And it's on both sides of the political spectrum, not just the reps or dems. http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm A little more support for the war. http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_8.html Edited October 18, 2004 by PUSH THE THROTTLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGL Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 [.If your as old as dirt then you have obviously see the boom of manufacturing in the U.S.A and the recent fall. Maybe your retired,well lucky you,you are more fortunate than the thousands of elderly workers that got shut out of factories that they gave there blood and sweat for for 30+ years..He busted his ass for that company and put 4 kids thru OHIO STATE.Now he has to work at Target just to get benefits and a few bucks till SS kicks in.He did what he had to do,but thats sad,wouldn't you say? From your views KGL,I would wager your from the upper class.Probably a business owner or maybe you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth(more than likely).Maybe you outsource or hire illegal aliens.Whatever the case may be,I think your the one thats out of touch with reality.Its easy to forget about the little guys when you have always been on top.Either that or you were once a "pee on" and now that your on top you figure "F*ck the pee ons of the world" If everyone thought like you then the other 47 states would have turned there back on the 9-11 attacks since it had no direct affect on them.The 47 other states would have told the people of NY,D.C and PA to move to less polpulated areas that terrorists would have no reason to attack.We would have never attacked Iraq and we would just keep moving so we can live safely from terrorism.Those are your exact words with a different twist. Nightrider, Before you go and say something even more retarded than your last post I'll set you straight on some facts here... I'm 30 yrs old , not quite ready for retirement am I ? the days of 30+ years at the same factory and getting that pension have been over for a while now , why do you think 401k's have taken over as the main source of retirement savings for people? they are x-ferrable from job to job. As far as your friends Dad working at Target for benefits , It just sounds to me like he gets it and you dont, not sad at all, he's doing what he needs to . Upper class and a silver spoon? uh, not quite... Im pulling in around 48k working at a factory and also at a part time job . Im working to support my family and also so my wife can stay home and raise the kids. Im not working to give welfare to some crack whore, illegal aliens, fraudulent "disabled" people, and stupid fuckers on unemployment who wont take that job at Target because it's "beneath them". You want to talk about sad , its assholes like that who are happy as shit to live off the exertions of others instead of getting off their worthless asses and supporting themselves! About your 9-11 comment , "those are your exact words with a different twist" wtf?? My exact words are what I said about jobs... which obviously you still dont get. Again , my point is you can either sit there and about whats going on in your state and wait for a govt. bail out (which isnt coming) or you can do something about your situation , start your own bussiness or go to where the jobs are... its not that hard of a concept . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightrider Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Nightrider, Before you go and say something even more retarded than your last post I'll set you straight on some facts here... I'm 30 yrs old , not quite ready for retirement am I ? the days of 30+ years at the same factory and getting that pension have been over for a while now , why do you think 401k's have taken over as the main source of retirement savings for people? they are x-ferrable from job to job. As far as your friends Dad working at Target for benefits , It just sounds to me like he gets it and you dont, not sad at all, he's doing what he needs to . Upper class and a silver spoon? uh, not quite... Im pulling in around 48k working at a factory and also at a part time job . Im working to support my family and also so my wife can stay home and raise the kids. Im not working to give welfare to some crack whore, illegal aliens, fraudulent "disabled" people, and stupid fuckers on unemployment who wont take that job at Target because it's "beneath them". You want to talk about sad , its assholes like that who are happy as shit to live off the exertions of others instead of getting off their worthless asses and supporting themselves! About your 9-11 comment , "those are your exact words with a different twist" wtf?? My exact words are what I said about jobs... which obviously you still dont get. Again , my point is you can either sit there and about whats going on in your state and wait for a govt. bail out (which isnt coming) or you can do something about your situation , start your own bussiness or go to where the jobs are... its not that hard of a concept . I did find a job,without having to "move to where the work is",but trying to figure out what company is going to make it and which one is going to fail is like a crapshoot and I NEVER took unemloyment for the simple fact that I didn't qualify due to inadequate time spent working. What ever happen to exercising your right to vote and help to make changes.You have been one of the assholes who's been ranting and raving about getting out and voting if were unhappy with how our govt. operating.What happen to electing the official that I feel will get the job done? You were trying to tell all of us that Bush is he best thing since sliced bread and he is the only answer to our problems,now your telling me that he is not and that I should stick my tail between my legs and run for the hills? I want everyone on BansheeHQ to see what this asshole is saying.He just stated that BUSH is not he best candidate for the Presidency and no matter who we elect they will not help us any way they have promised.YOUR BASICALLY TELLING ME AND EVERYONE AT THE HQ THAT OUR VOTES DO NOT COUNT AND WE SHOULD NOT WASTE OUR TIME AT THE POLES SINCE OUR GOVT COULD CARE LESS IF WE LIVE OR DIE. Accoding to you KGL,we can no longer trust our Govt. to make decisions on our behalf and that if we have a choice to stand and fight or run like pusssies,we should just run like pussies. I don't know what message you tryed to get across with your last couple posts,but I am under the impression that your a Flip floper and a big f*cking pussy.Have you ever made a stand for anything in your life,anything you loved or believed in. You can't run from your problems your whole life KGL,Are you gonna keep running for the rest of your life,because what you've basically explained in a nutshell is we should run from our problems and continue to run from them for the rest of our lives versus trying our best to solve them. I can understand that if you have a family you must look out for there best interest,but I don't,I have a house and myself to look after.I love this city,I spent over 30+ years living here and as long as there is a job out there for me,I ain't budging.Cleveland is not some dumphole like Toledo or Youngstown,its still a very important city to the USA.Someone will take the time to make things right here and that someone will be the guy who we put in office. I could be a pussy like you an run away from the problems in our state,but as long as I can pay the bills,they'll have to chase me out of here. What you need to do KGL is grow some new balls,or steal them out of your wifes purse.I have respect for you as a sole income earner and suppoting your kids and a wife I have friends like that and I can see its not easy.Unfortunately, I do not respect the fact that you would rather run from your problems then face them or try to change them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboybanshee Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 I do not respect the fact that you would rather run from your problems then face them or try to change them. Moving to a different state because of better jobs is not running from your problems, its called making an effort to try and resolve them. Staying where you are and bitching because you can't find a job is NOT facing your problems. Obviously America does not have the same opportunities in every single state which would (for MOST people) mean you move to where your skills are valued; that's just common sense...Say your jobs decrease even more and its really hard to find a job...is your dumb ass just gonna stay there and say "Well, I can't find a decent job, it's the president's fault...I shouldn't have to move" NO, you pack up your shit and go somewhere you can get a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 i think he meant dont count on the goverment to save your ass, bush or kerry your in the same boat.......wondering if this company your at now will survive is your clue to do something maybe your more in control of? the problem with that, is that does take balls, its way to easy to punch someones elses clock, this fucked up goverment we have still offers biz loans, get one.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboybanshee Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 I love this city,I spent over 30+ years living here and as long as there is a job out there for me,I ain't budging.Cleveland is not some dumphole like Toledo or Youngstown,its still a very important city to the USA.Someone will take the time to make things right here and that someone will be the guy who we put in office. Ya know, that's great and all, but when you grow up, you have to do things in life you don't want to do, but you have to do because it's the way life is....Sounds like your the pussy too scared to venture out into the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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