bush or kerry

[PUSH THE THROTTLE]

I answer no more of your questions... 

 

"Before you stick your foot any farther down your throat name one other company that can do what Halliburton does.

 

Also do you even know what Halliburton does?"

 

That's as bright as the intern question.  Thanks for playing...

BIRD213 I'm disappointed in YOUR lack of debating skill.

 

I was really hoping you could come up with some Halliburton info that could trump the knowledge I have gained working in the oil industry.

 

With your supreme wealth of knowledge it's too bad it'll be wasted on a Kerry vote.

 

Did you see where the news had 23 undecided voters watch the last debate? All 23 claim that Kerry won the debate but 17 said they were now voting for Bush where as only 5 said they would vote for Kerry.

Edited October 15, 2004 by PUSH THE THROTTLE

[bird213]

I agree with that... I think Bush is the more likable guy. I said earlier what does a debate prove when it comes time to action... nothing. I just cannot justify my vote for Bush with the post war Iraq happenings. Why is it that all this oil infrastructure work is taking place now? I have read that whole system has been obsolete for sometime. Was it that prior government never cared to put the cash fourth?

 

"With your supreme wealth of knowledge it's too bad it'll be wasted on a Kerry vote."

Were you using my "sarcasium", or are we getting along here

 

What portion of the oil industry do you work in? I have lost several plumbers and pipe fitters due to Halliburton. They left to work over there for 1-year contracts.

 

Anyways, where are you from and where do you ride?

[shellbyzfan33]

i just watched the last debate.......chalk up another one for bush!!!!!!

i watched all 3 debates and seemed to me loser (bush) was on the defensive all the time??? where the f*ck do u get chalk up another one for bush??? oh u must be talking about loses. polls taken after every debate shows the masses agree..

 

I wonder if President Bush could look into the eyes of Christopher Reeve's family and tell them that it's because he values life so deeply that he is preserving clusters of cells in freezers-cells that resulted from in-vitro fertilization and could be used for embryonic stem cell treatment-despite the fact that more people will die as a result of his decision...

 

kerry

[shellbyzfan33]

Laying it out on the razor, Bush backed machine guns in our neighborhoods toted by people who take the risk of selling drugs instead of working a counter job, because the counter jobs available to them can't possibly begin to pay a living wage thanks to the currently anemic minimum wage. Kerry, by contrast, would get the machine guns off the streets, period, and at the same time make sure anyone working a minimum wage job will make enough money to feed their family and keep a roof over their head.

 

our fucking piece of shit president made himself look like a total ass!!!!!

[shellbyzfan33]

here u go----- Kerry quoted Bush's bizarre statement from March of 2002 about Bush no longer being concerned about Osama bin Laden. Bush tried to claim Kerry was exaggerating, but the White House website says different. Bush: "So I don't know where he is. Nor - you know, I just don't spend that much time on him really, to be honest with you. I...I truly am not that concerned about him." Beyond the glaring silliness of this lie - millions of Americans saw the filmclip of Bush making this statement when they saw Moore's documentary 'Fahrenheit 9/11' - is the frightening truth behind it. If Bush truly does not care about or worry about Osama bin Laden, as his March statement indicates, he is truly an Army of One, divorced from one of the most fundamental concerns within the American mind.

[shellbyzfan33]

There was a statesman and a salesman on that debate stage on Wednesday night. Kerry, the statesman, was calm and clear, in command of the facts, and not afraid to stare into the camera at the American people and tell some hard truths. Bush, the salesman, left behind the muddled foolishness of the first debate and the screaming histrionics of the second debate, in favor of an aw-shucks smirk and a series of ill-timed snickers that makes one truly wonder if he knows his job is on the line. All the pundits agreed that Bush, having lost the first two debates, needed to dominate during this third and final meeting. He failed completely to do so.

 

 

kerry

[shellbyzfan33]

In the end, it comes down to values. When Schieffer asked Bush at one point about the problem of health care for America's seniors, Bush burst into a fit of laughter. If there was ever a moment, in any of these three debates, that let people know exactly where Bush's head and heart and priorities lay, that was it. He laughed.

 

read on people!!!!!!! bush is a POS!!!!! voting for that loser only makes u the same!!!!

[shellbyzfan33]

During a prime time press conference on April 13, President Bush was asked to name a mistake that he has made since taking office and what he has learned from it. Bush, who was unable to answer the question, admitted "maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with [a mistake]." But weeks later, Bush still hasn't answered the question. In the interest of assisting the President with this surprisingly difficult task , heres a list of 100 mistakes he has made since taking office:

 

Iraq

 

 

Failing to build a real international coalition prior to the Iraq invasion, forcing the US to shoulder the full cost and consequences of the war.

 

 

Approving the demobilization of the Iraqi Army in May, 2003 - bypassing the Joint Chiefs of Staff and reversing an earlier position, the President left hundreds of thousands of armed Iraqis disgruntled and unemployed, contributing significantly to the massive security problems American troops have faced during occupation.

 

 

Not equipping troops in Iraq with adequate body armor or armored HUMVEES.

 

 

Ignoring the advice Gen. Eric Shinseki regarding the need for more troops in Iraq - now Bush is belatedly adding troops, having allowed the security situation to deteriorate in exactly the way Shinseki said it would if there were not enough troops.

 

 

Ignoring plans drawn up by the Army War College and other war-planning agencies, which predicted most of the worst security and infrastructure problems America faced in the early days of the Iraq occupation.

 

 

Making a case for war which ignored intelligence that there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.

 

 

Deriding "nation-building" during the 2000 debates, then engaging American troops in one of the most explicit instances of nation building in American history.

 

 

Predicting along with others in his administration that US troops would be greeted as liberators in Iraq.

 

 

Predicting Iraq would pay for its own reconstruction.

 

 

Wildly underestimating the cost of the war.

 

 

Trusting Ahmed Chalabi, who has dismissed faulty intelligence he provided the President as necessary for getting the Americans to topple Saddam.

 

 

Disbanding the Sunni Baathist managers responsible for Iraq's water, electricity, sewer system and all the other critical parts of that country's infrastructure.

 

 

Failing to give UN weapons inspectors enough time to certify if weapons existed in Iraq.

 

 

Including discredited intelligence concerning Nigerian Yellow Cake in his 2003 State of the Union.

 

 

Announcing that "major combat operations in Iraq have ended" aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003, below a "Mission Accomplished" banner - more U.S. soldiers have died in combat since Bush's announcement than before it.

 

 

Awarding a multi-billion dollar contract to Halliburton in Iraq, which then repeatedly overcharged the government and served troops dirty food.

 

 

Refusing to cede any control of Post-invasion Iraq to the international community, meaning reconstruction has received limited aid from European allies or the U.N.

 

 

Failing to convince NATO allies why invading Iraq was important.

 

 

Having no real plan for the occupation of Iraq.

 

 

Limiting bidding on Iraq construction projects to "coalition partners," unnecessarily alienating important allies France, Germany and Russia.

 

 

Diverting $700 million into Iraq invasion planning without informing Congress.

 

 

Shutting down an Iraqi newspaper for "inciting violence" - the move, which led in short order to street fighting in Fallujah, incited more violence than the newspaper ever had.

 

 

Telling Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan about plans to go to war with Iraq before Secretary of State Colin Powell.

 

Counterterrorism

 

 

Allowing several members of the Bin Laden family to leave the country just days after 9/11, some of them without being questioned by the FBI.

 

 

Focusing on missile defense at the expense of counterterrorism prior to 9/11.

 

 

Thinking al Qaeda could not attack without state sponsors, and ignoring evidence of a growing threat unassociated with "rogue states" like Iraq or North Korea.

 

 

Threatening to veto the Homeland Security department - The President now concedes such a department "provides the ability for our agencies to coordinate better and to work together better than it was before."

 

 

Opposing the creation of the September 11th commission, which the President now expects "to contain important recommendations for preventing future attacks."

 

 

Denying documents to the 9/11 commission, only relenting after the commissioners threatened a subpoena.

 

 

Failing to pay more attention to an August 6, 2001 PDB entitled "Bin laden Determined to Attack in U.S."

 

 

Repeatedly ignoring warnings of terrorists planning to use aircraft before 9/11.

 

 

Appointing the ultra-secretive Henry Kissinger to head the 9/11 commission - Kissinger stepped down weeks later due to conflicts of interest.

 

 

Asking for testimony before the 9/11 commission be limited to one hour, a position from which the president later backtracked.

 

 

Not allowing national Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice to testify before the 9/11 commission - Bush changed his mind as pressure mounted.

 

 

Cutting an FBI request for counterterrorism funds by two-thirds after 9/11.

 

 

Telling Americans there was a link between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda.

 

 

Failing to adequately secure the nation's nuclear weapons labs.

 

 

Not feeling a sense of urgency about terrorism or al Qaeda before 9/11.

 

Afghanistan

 

 

Reducing resources and troop levels in Afghanistan and out before it was fully secure.

 

 

Not providing security in Afghanistan outside of Kabul, leaving nearly 80% of the Afghan population unprotected in areas controlled by Feudal warlords and local militias.

 

 

Committing inadequate resources for the reconstruction of Afghanistan.

 

 

Counting too heavily on locally trained troops to fill the void in Afghanistan once U.S. forces were relocated to Iraq.

 

 

Not committing US ground troops to the capture of Osama Bin Laden, when he was cornered in the Tora Bora region of Afghanistan in November, 2001.

 

 

Allowing opium production to resume on a massive scale after the ouster of the Taliban.

 

Weapons of Mass Destruction

 

 

Opposing an independent inquiry into the intelligence failures surrounding WMD - later, upon signing off on just such a commission, Bush claimed he was "determined to make sure that American intelligence is as accurate as possible for every challenge in the future."

 

 

Saying: "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories."

 

 

Trusting intelligence gathered by Vice President Cheney's and Secretary Rumsfeld's "Office of Special Plans."

 

 

Spending $6.5 billion on nuclear weapons this year to develop new nuclear weapons this year - 50% more in real dollars than the average during the cold war - while shortchanging the troops on body armor.

 

Foreign Policy

 

 

Ignoring the importance of the Middle East peace process, which has deteriorated with little oversight or strategy evident in the region.

 

 

Siding with China in February, 2004 against a democratic referenda proposed by Taiwan, a notable shift from an earlier pledge to stand with "oppressed peoples until the day of their freedom finally arrives."

 

 

Undermining the War on Terrorism by preemptively invading Iraq.

 

 

Failing to develop a specific plan for dealing with North Korea.

 

 

Abandoning the United States' traditional role as an evenhanded negotiator in the Middle East peace process.

 

Economic

 

 

Signing a report endorsing outsourcing with thousands of American workers having their jobs shipped overseas.

 

 

Instituting steel tariffs deemed illegal by the World Trade Organization - Bush repealed them 20-months later when the European Union pledged to impose retaliatory sanctions on up to $2.2 billion in exports from the United States.

 

 

Promoting economic policies that failed to create new jobs.

 

 

Promoting economic policies that failed to help small businesses

 

 

Pledging a "jobs and growth" package would create 1,836,000 new jobs by the end of 2003 and 5.5 million new jobs by 2004-so far the president has fallen 1,615,000 jobs short of the mark.

 

 

Running up a foreign deficit of "such record-breaking proportions that it threatens the financial stability of the global economy."

 

 

Issuing inaccurate budget forecasts accompanying proposals to reduce the deficit, omitting the continued costs of Iraq, Afghanistan and elements of Homeland Security.

 

 

Claiming his 2003 tax cut would give 23 million small business owners an average tax cut of $2,042 when "nearly four out of every five tax filers (79%) with small business income would receive less" than that amount.

 

 

Passing tax cuts for the wealthy while falsely claiming "people in the 10 percent bracket" were benefiting most."

 

 

Passing successive tax cuts largely responsible for turning a projected surplus of $5 trillion into a projected deficit of $4.3 trillion.

 

 

Moving to strip millions of overtime pay.

 

 

Not enforcing corporate tax laws.

 

 

Backing down from a plan to make CEOs more accountable when "the corporate crowd" protested.

 

 

Not lobbying oil cartels to change their mind about cutting oil production.

 

 

Passing tax cuts weighted heavily to help the wealthy.

 

 

Moving to allow greater media consolidation.

 

 

Nominating a notorious proponent of outsourcing, Anthony F. Raimondo, to be the new manufacturing Czar-Raimondo withdrew his name days later amidst a flurry of harsh criticism.

 

 

Ignoring calls to extend unemployment benefits with long-term unemployment reaching a twenty-year high

 

 

Threatening to veto pension legislation that would give companies much needed temporary relief.

 

Education

 

 

Under-funding No Child Left Behind

 

 

Breaking his campaign pledge to increase the size of Pell grants.

 

 

Signing off on an FY 2005 budget proposing the smallest increase in education funding in nine years.

 

 

Under-funding the Title I Program, specifically targeted for disadvantaged kids, by $7.2 billion.

 

 

Freezing Teacher Quality State Grants, cutting off training opportunities for about 30,000 teachers, and leaving 92,000 less teachers trained than the president called for in his own No Child Left Behind bill.

 

 

Freezing funding for English language training programs.

 

 

Freezing funding for after school programs, potentially eliminating 50,000 children from after-school programs.

 

Health

 

 

Not leveling with Americans about the cost of Medicare - the president told Congress his new Medicare bill would cost $400 billion over ten years despite conclusions by his own analysts the bill would cost upwards of $500 billion over that period.

 

 

Silencing Medicare actuary Richard Foster when his estimates for the Administration's Medicare bill were too high.

 

 

Letting business associate David Halbert, who owns a company which stands to make millions from new discount drug cards, craft key elements of the new Medicare bill.

 

 

Under-funding health care for troops and veterans.

 

 

Allowing loopholes to persist in Mad-Cow regulations.

 

 

Relaxing food labeling restrictions on health claims.

 

 

Falsely claiming the restrictions on stem cell research would not hamper medical progress.

 

 

Reducing action against improper drug advertising by 80 percent.

 

Environment

 

 

Abandoning the Kyoto Treaty without offering an alternative for reducing greenhouse effect.

 

 

Counting on a voluntary program to reduce emissions of harmful gasses-so far only a tiny fraction of American companies have signed up.

 

 

Gutting clean air standards for aging power plants.

 

 

Weakening energy efficiency standards.

 

 

Relaxing dumping standards for mountaintop mining, and opening the Florida Everglades and Oregon's Siskiyou National Forest to mining.

 

 

Lifting protection for more than 200 million acres of public land.

 

 

Limiting public challenges to logging projects and increased logging in protected areas, including Alaska's Tongass National Forest.

 

 

Weakening environmental standards for snowmobiles and other off-road vehicles while pushing for exemptions for air pollution proposals for five categories of industrial facilities.

 

 

Opposing legislation that would require greater fuel efficiency for passenger cars.

 

 

Reducing inspections, penalties for violations, and prosecution of environmental crimes.

 

 

Misleading the public about the Washington mad cow case and the likely effectiveness of USDA's weak testing program.

 

 

Withdrawing public information on chemical plant dangers, previously used to hold facilities accountable for safety improvements.

 

Other

 

 

Cutting grants to state and local governments in FY 2005, forcing states to make massive cuts in job training, education, housing and environment.

Edited October 15, 2004 by shellbyzfan33

[bird213]

shellbyzfan33...

 

Where have you been... I could have used your help long ago!

[PUSH THE THROTTLE]

I agree with that...

Edited October 15, 2004 by PUSH THE THROTTLE

[PUSH THE THROTTLE]

Here's a pic for ya'll.

[PUSH THE THROTTLE]

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[bird213]

Push... I see Kerry is in your neck of the woods today. He's pushing the idea that Bush will enact another draft. He's pulling all strings to get votes... Kids hear the word draft, grew up hearing it, and it scares the hell out of them. I have to say that I am not opposed. People are getting more detached from what our armed services have given us in the past and present... Their lives for our freedom, we should all be liable to do the same.

[PolyKarbon]

Not equipping troops in Iraq with adequate body armor or armored HUMVEES.

f*ck yeah man, we had to make our own shit after like 6 months of having no armer. Just weld some steel plates together and voila! About 90% of the US armys vehicles aren't armored. I agree the hummer shit sucked, but as far as body armor, just try to find one soldier out there without a gas mask, flak vest or kevlar helmet. You won't.

[shellbyzfan33]

those flak vest do help a little, and as for those kevlar helmets, well they cannot take a dirrect hit from a bullet. believe me i know, i did my time in the service and one guy got shot right threw it during a live fire excercise. don't even get me started about the gas masks, yeah they work great if their adjusted properly, but damn those things suck when u got to wear them during any physical activity!!!!and it sucks even more when u go to pull it out and its loaded with dust and dirt from constantly having to stop and find a spot to hide during road marches and field exercises. well either way i think its TOTAL BULLSHIT how the guys that are supposed to have gotten out during their stints in iraq are being FORCED to remain in. guys with less than 6 months remaining should have not even had to of went to iraq!!!!

 

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