Blue Duece Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 (edited) Heaven though is only open to those that can express faith. Animals can't. how do you know they cant? because humans cant talk to them? as far as inheriant senses, animals got us beat, my dog could tell us if a fuckers within a 16th of a mile from my house, you and I wouldnt know till he rang the door bell Edited August 4, 2004 by Blue Duece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 nothing specific about any of the creatures in the beginning before the flood and quite frankly not much about the creatures after the flood. There are 6 days which God worked creating the universe that we are familiar with. Man and animals were created on the 6th day. The bible says that a thousand years for a man is 1 day to God. I can't beleive that anyone would beleive these quotes..... I just don't get it. It boggles my mind that we make "everyday" common sense decisions..... we know what is right and what is crazy...... the statments I just quoted.... sound crazy as hell to me, im sorry Holyman. Its like saying that wind is caused from the flapping wings of the bird god Jimmy, and thunder comes from the god Thor.... see how silly that sounds ?? When the religous folk say stuff like "The bible says that a thousand years for a man is 1 day to God." I can't fathom that another adult.... in sound mind... would say... "sure thats correct". The bible is full of this crazy talk too. Do you honestly beleive that Noah built a big ship and took two of every animal and the whole world flooded..... you really really believe that ?? Holyman, no disrespect. Just lively debate pal. You knew that tho So for science, it will not answer all questions but for perfect morals, it is flawless. Adhering to those morals will always benefit the person applying them. And like any instruction manual, you have to have an idea that it will benefit you before you even pick it up. Why do I need an instruction manual to tell me what is wrong and what is right ?? I don't have a drop of religion in my blood and I know what is right and what is wrong. And what is right in my book..... certainly aint whats right in a church goer's book. I know you all have seen the TV show the Simpsons. You all know the religious neighbor Ned Flanders. I live in a town full of Neds..... they're mostly older folks and they bitch and moan about everything. They use the term "sinners" alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rebel Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Wow, some deep shtuff here. I can't beleive no one has quoted scripture yet, or did I miss that. Well here's one for ya: "It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man." Can I get an Amen brothers. That is from Psalms 118, verse 8. That comes from the exact middle of the bible. The center of Gods word and that would be the center of Gods will. This, I take to heart every day I live. Since everyone here seems to know the difference between good and evil then we can all live our lives exactly like we think is best for us. Mine is going just fine with the LORD in it. Holyman, you sound like you are on the right path dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rebel Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Oh, I almost forgot, we don't need scripture to tell us dinos existed. I thought everybody knew that. They told me so, cause I'm running "Fossil Fuel" in my Shee. Yuck, yuck yuck......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyman Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 I can't beleive that anyone would beleive these quotes..... I just don't get it. It boggles my mind that we make "everyday" common sense decisions..... we know what is right and what is crazy...... the statments I just quoted.... sound crazy as hell to me, im sorry Holyman.... The bible is full of this crazy talk too. Do you honestly beleive that Noah built a big ship and took two of every animal and the whole world flooded..... you really really believe that ?? Holyman, no disrespect. Just lively debate pal. You knew that tho I don't have a drop of religion in my blood and I know what is right and what is wrong. And what is right in my book..... certainly aint whats right in a church goer's book. This is kind of where it comes to a point. All humans have a conscience of sorts. Most people from all over the earth share a common sense of right and wrong. And it can't all be attributed to personal experience like... when I was a kid I saw Jimmy's toy truck looked good and when I took it he clobbered be so I now know that stealing is not a good idea. The conscience is built in. Where did it come from? If you don't believe in God you really come down to just a few options for how it is that everything we as humans experience came about... 1- I don't know and don't care. 2- I don't know but man the world is an awesome place. 3- I don't know but everything I make comes from me so someone much greater than me must have made all this great stuff. 4- I don't know but I'll make something up so I look like I know. For those that choose 3 there's the bible. #1 people ride the banshee til it breaks and throw it away because they never paid for it. #2 people ride the banshee and realize it has potential and is great to have around but don't do any more to it. #3 people ride the banshee, realize it's power, it's potential, and want to know more about how to make it do the most it can. They keep it going and repair it when it's getting weak. They tell other how to keep their banshee running at top performance. #4 people think they are too good for a banshee and so bad mouth it whenever possible. So as a #3 I believe that the precision of the entire universe from the tiniest molecule in my toenail to the clockwork of the planets in outer space is not a random mistake but the work of a superhuman designer. And because I am in complete awe of the complexity and infinite detail of everything I see, I am drawn to know more about such a person. Science does little more than disect what's already there and then call it a discovery. A kid who goes in the attic and finds an old chest filled with stuff he never saw before thinks he discovered something but really all he found was what was left behind by someone else. And as far as the church goers sense of right and wrong and yours, I doubt they are really that much different. The church goer has probably been conditioned to hate you for exercising your right to choose and you have been conditioned to hate him because he wants to make your choices for you. I'm curious to know where the 2 of you differ on right and wrong. As a side point the ark {yes I do believe in that } was 300 cubits long 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high it was 3 stories tall. A cubit was roughly 17.5" so using a foot and a half, the ark was 450 ft long, 75 ft wide and 45 ft tall. It could not house 2 of every animal. But it could house 2 of every kind as the bible says. The natural variations we see in animal life can be narrowed down to animals of a "kind" which would fit in such an ark. The ark was made of resinous wood covered with tar and took 40 years to build. It only needed to float and stay upright and anyone with a jon boat knows the box shape is hard to beat for that. And disrespect... call me crazy or whatever you want but don't call me late for dinner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducman Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Here's how your cow in the blender theory does work. If you were to take flower, eggs, sugar, and chocholate chips and throw them out of an airplane almost 100% of the time they would blow around and fall to the ground as a big separated mass with little trace of what you started with. Do this for a hundred lifetimes and you still get nothing. Try this for several hundred million years or maybe even a billion years and eventually the ingrediants will fall to the ground as a perfect choclate chip cookie through random occurances. A a little vortex in the air cause by rising warm air bringing the particles together, some moisture, throw in a little lightning... voila... a cookie is born. I think if you play every possible ticket in the California lottery with the same numbers for something like 100,000 years your are statistically guarenteed to win. Even the blind squirel will eventually find a nut. So what you're saying is that I can fill my banshee tank with concrete and as long as I kick it over for a couple million years it will turn into premix gas and run? Or I could take out the plugs and put in wood dowels and a couple billion kicks later it would fire right up? We'll first of all you need the right ingrediants like the mineral and nutrient rich brew that was probably the makeup of most of the earths water in the pre-life stages, concrete ain't gonna light on fire real easy so your a bit off track there. I'd be more like you left your banshee was sitting around with the gas tank cap open, the tank fills up with rain water, some wood chips fall in the tank from the tree overhead and start brewing some alky, the squirel chews a hole in the bottom of your tank and the watter drains out but the hole gets plugged with wood chips before the higher concentrated alky thats on top drains out. Next a few pine cones fall out of the tree in rapid secsession turning your key on and kill switch to run then landing on your kick start and low and behold fires that sun of a gun right up, of coarse it'll rev to the moon cause your jetting would be way to lean and the straight alky probably gonna toast your rings. If you got some really high compression custom domes, maybe 10cc, weld the shit out of the crank and install the wood dowels in lue of spark plugs in you might get it to diesel for a bit, but the top end HP will probably suffer and the piston maintenance would be very high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyman Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Yeah... impossible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducman Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 religion is a major tool used to control the masses. exactly!!!!! organized religion is for feeble minded people who need safety in numbers. i`m not saying i don t believe. but as we speak i am between denominations. or in laymans terms a godless heathen. I am 110% with NYUK here. I agree wholeheartedly and feel the same way. Correct me If I'm wrong, or right, aw screw it, I'm sure you will anyway, because this will sting a little. Chritianity was invented in the period of time when the Romans were in charge and they would kill you by nailing you to a cross, or tossing you to a lion or various other hungery animals for stealing some prety minor stuff, or just for shear intertainment if you were from a low enough class or a slave who is no longer useful. Now how do you controll a population where a large portion of the people have NOTHING to loose, no wealth or posibility of making or controlling money for their own living, no controll over their own destiny in any way, pretty much guarenteed to live a life in which you would rather be dead. The only thing that can controll them is by giving them false hope and installing fear. Give them a psychological hope for living and reward for doing so peacefully - Heaven, and a psychological penalty for killing theirself or commiting evil - Hell. Good crowd controll for the rulling class. Baaah Baaah good little sheep, stick to the flock where you'll be safe. A few years go by. The rulling class thinks, hummm this chritianity stuff is getting popular with the peasants, well guess what, God ordained the emperor as your ruler and he gets to pick who is the Pope. The pope will be your spiritual leader and make sure you are deeply brainwashed and scared shitless of Hell but always hopeful of Heaven. Not only that, you must pay the church more of your income than you can afford if you want to reserve a place in heaven. Taxes were born and the state didn't even have to collect the revenue. Chritianity was created for crowd controll and the church was born of Corruption. Believe in me the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be f**ked out of a fortune. Doooh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Great post Holyman. We know the power of the atom, but will probably never fully harness or extract all of the potential energy, but that doesn't mean that it can't be done...so that which you cannot fathom or conceive can still exist. An anylitical mind stays open to that which it cannot disprove. IMO God gives you strength. Faith makes a fearless warrior. It is no coincedence that so many champions from so many different arenas of human performance will cite God and their faith as part of their driving force. I feel there is more than meets the eye in this life and a bigger picture is unfolding but no one really has the vantage point to see it all. OK, I'm gonna go check out some porn now . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Oh, by the way, of course we have "harnessed" the power of the atom per say, but I am talking about perfection. 100% efficiency. Something that is said to be impossible with any energy conversion. Impossible for us. We know the approximate speed of light and nothing can eclipse it. God is light. The bible says so. Light was the beginning and will be the end. Light is life giving energy. What do we really know about light? Nothing really. We make stuff up called "photons" and they permeate through the "ether" and their speed is measured by a shift in wavelength on some hoosier contraption that some guy invented and said this is how you measure the speed of light...and I'm right. Do we even truly know the full spectrum of light? God is full spectrum. IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD JUGGALO Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Why do they call it a belief?Is it because there is no proof.Hell I could right a book.How educated were people 1000's of years ago?Humans have always wanted reasons and proof for things,When they had no proof of reason they blamed it on GOD.Parting of the sea.......hmmmmmm..kind of sounds like low tide to me!!!!!!Religion is the reason my "father" is now celibrating his 50th birthday in Iraq and not in the great USA riding his Banshee.Its all for a belief.Just remember as the terrorist slammed into the tradecenters in New York,on the little black box they yelled "I love Ala,god is great!!!!Whos god is the right one?Who knows and who cares.Religion is for someone with a guilty consience because would a real GOD care about a currency?"If your going to play your going to pay"kind of sounds like the Catholic church,unless your an alterboy then you just pay with your anus!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyman Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 Correct me If I'm wrong, or right, aw screw it, I'm sure you will anyway Isn't it great how well we are getting to know each other Chritianity was invented in the period of time when the Romans were in charge and they would kill you by nailing you to a cross, or tossing you to a lion or various other hungery animals for stealing some prety minor stuff, or just for shear intertainment if you were from a low enough class or a slave who is no longer useful. Christianity was formed by the followers of Jesus and not the Romans. The time that Jesus was to arrive was told centuries in advance including the town that he would come from, the way he would be treated, the family line he would come thru, the way he would die and even the way his clothes would be given out after he was hung up. The Jews {as many of them were lower class people} were not well liked but they had political clout to some extent and could even buy citizenship as a Roman. Once a person obtained Roman citizenship, they were a Roman and gained all the benefits regardless of their heritage. The benefits of being Roman was HUGE. Christains were not just disliked by the Romans but actually fiercely hated by the Jews. So to become a Christain in Roman times was almost a guaranteed 1 way trip to the lions because the jews would condemn them as heretics and turn them in to the Romans for entertainment. So rather than it being some club where everyone got some benefit, early Christains were actively hunted. They could have easily denounced their beliefs and not suffered for them. So fear of death was not the reason why the early Christians became Christians. It was their dedication to their beliefs that allowed them to face death. They also had no fear or even a hint of a fear of a firey hell. A burning hell was devised by the Catholic church to cause the unknowing people they were oppressing to become converts. The rest... is pretty much true... A few years go by. The rulling class thinks, hummm this chritianity stuff is getting popular with the peasants, well guess what, God ordained the emperor as your ruler and he gets to pick who is the Pope. The pope will be your spiritual leader and make sure you are deeply brainwashed and scared shitless of Hell but always hopeful of Heaven. Not only that, you must pay the church more of your income than you can afford if you want to reserve a place in heaven. Taxes were born and the state didn't even have to collect the revenue. Chritianity was created for crowd controll and the church was born of Corruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducman Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 We'll I knew some of my history facts were a little fuzzy but then most of the pre-1000th century is. I'll admit, you Know Your Shizzel Holey. At least you can stand up for what you believe in and thats better than most of the Sunday Christians out there could. Glad to see that you are up to the challenge. BTW, I'm not saying any of the Christian scripture can't be true because in my mind it cant and hasn't been prooven one way or another and I definitly do not think that America would be better off completely void of Chritian religion, because our society is going away from morals enough already as it is. Being raised as a Heathen, atheist, what ever you want to call it, with a bit of exposure to eastern philosophy later on, I just like to be skeptical when it comes to religion and look at it from all sides. If you are never exposed to an outsiders thinking and question your own beliefs then you really never gave yourself a chance to have some of your own original thoughts about what you really believe. If you just buy the party line, hook line and sinker, always swim down stream, and never call B.S. when you hear something that sounds like total B.S. then your just Brainwashed. Holy, I definitely wouldn't put you in the Brainwashed category. So who were the first Christian followers of pre-Jesus and who was the profit that came up with all the nitty gritty details on J.C. If they were a slave class that couldn't read or write how did they accurately preserve the story and keep teaching and propagating the following if all the followers were being rapidly converted to Lion terd. Thats why I say the Romans planted it in the beginning all for crowd controll and kept it on going. Or, is the prophecies all just an edit made centuries later to make the story flow and/or hide the truth to cover up the original scam? Going back to the evolution cow-blender thing. Sorry to beat a dead horse, or put another cow in the blender and please forgive my inacuracies, if there's a biochemist in the house they can back me up? But, why I think its possible is because scientists theorize that the first reproducing organism could have been a virus or retro virus. DNA chains can be replicated in a laboratory environment with the use of chemicals and heat. They don't necesarily need a living host with existing DNA to steal from (like aids does). If you look at a virus or retrovirus it is simply a short DNA chain or 1/2 of a chain that can replicate itself. DNA is simply made up of molecules of bases and acids that bond together and form a chain (polypeptide chain?). It doesn't even neccessarily replicate the same way each time because some of the building blocks, I forget if its some of the bases or acids, that are innerchangeable which cause mutations and may or may not result in a perfect copy each time, hence why they can mutate so easily and there is still no cure for aids. These bonds could easily have formed if the right molecules came in contact in a hodge podge soup of minerals solute in water. I dont know how this is so hard to concieve. It is simply chemical bonds. With enough time a chain with the right order could have naturally formed on its own. Now how do you consider a virus a living organism? It's just a complex chain of molecules. With the right molecules present it doesn't even need a "living" host to replicate it just steals/attracts available mollecules from the surrounding environment until a complete chain is formed and then it splits and starts all over again. Aventually through mutations the virus becomes more complex, over possibly a million years lets say, the now larger mass of the virus DNA chain of attracts a protien shell which protects it an more effieciently attract the necessary molecules it needs to replicate like a cell wall of a more complex cell with a cellular membrane. At some point the virus is complex and developed enough to be considered a living reproducing single cell organism. Once you get to that point the rest of evolution is simple. If you cant concieve how simple the fundamental building blocks of life really are and how a cell could theoretically come into existance from simple elements that readily esist on earth, well then you simply don't have enough science background to understand, or tunnel vision, or I might have to revoke the non-brainwash status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyman Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 (edited) If you are never exposed to an outsiders thinking and question your own beliefs then you really never gave yourself a chance to have some of your own original thoughts about what you really believe. Edited August 5, 2004 by Holyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MULLET~BOY Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 wernt there dnyosures here like a couple million years befor the first humanoid type person has been dated can any one expalain that did god like take a lunch break between the dynosours and us and come back to find he left the ac to low and that they all froze to death just wondering rev holyman mabey you can explain this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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