God, or no god(not trying to offend ne one)

[banshee04le]

Meat Posted on Jul 29 2004, 05:07 AM

  Nun: You don't believe in God because of Alice in Wonderland?

 

Loki: No, "Through the Looking Glass". That poem, "The Walrus and the Carpenter" that's an indictment of organized religion. The walrus, with his girth and his good nature, he obviously represents either Buddha, or... or with his tusk, the Hindu elephant god, Lord Ganesha. That takes care of your Eastern religions. Now the carpenter, which is an obvious reference to Jesus Christ, who was raised a carpenter's son, he represents the Western religions. Now in the poem, what do they do... what do they do? They... They dupe all these oysters into following them and then proceed to shuck and devour the helpless creatures en masse. I don't know what that says to you, but to me it says that following these faiths based on mythological figures ensure the destruction of one's inner-being. Organized religion destroys who we are by inhibiting our actions... by inhibiting our decisions, out of... out of fear of some... some intangible parent figure who... who shakes a finger at us from thousands of years ago and says... and says, "Do it - Do it and I'll fuckin' spank you." 

 

You ever seen "A Clockwork Orange" Meat?

If not, rent it. Thats what free will without fear of retribution will ultimately get ya.

[Gargamel]

Nun: You don't believe in God because of Alice in Wonderland?

 

Loki: No, "Through the Looking Glass". That poem, "The Walrus and the Carpenter" that's an indictment of organized religion. The walrus, with his girth and his good nature, he obviously represents either Buddha, or... or with his tusk, the Hindu elephant god, Lord Ganesha. That takes care of your Eastern religions. Now the carpenter, which is an obvious reference to Jesus Christ, who was raised a carpenter's son, he represents the Western religions. Now in the poem, what do they do... what do they do? They... They dupe all these oysters into following them and then proceed to shuck and devour the helpless creatures en masse. I don't know what that says to you, but to me it says that following these faiths based on mythological figures ensure the destruction of one's inner-being. Organized religion destroys who we are by inhibiting our actions... by inhibiting our decisions, out of... out of fear of some... some intangible parent figure who... who shakes a finger at us from thousands of years ago and says... and says, "Do it - Do it and I'll fuckin' spank you."

thats from Dogma

 

Great movie it's when there in the airport talkin to that nun

 

Now I'll have to bring that movie campin with me this weekend

 

[Maverick302]

Take a look to the sky just before you die.

It's the last time you will!

FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS!

[boonman]

I hate to get into a religious batle. BUT, it boils down to who believes and who don't believe. The non-believers think they are being forced into things. (think about prejudice for a moment) You want something to bitch about. So you decide to not believe, and then cry persecution because religion is being "forced" on you. Bull shit. NOTHING is forced on you. Money can say whatever the hell it wants to. Well, not what it wants to, but what the government wants it to. Believers aren't forcing anything down your throat. Well, except them bastards that bother you at supper time, and the moron who goes into the gas station and passes out his rhetoric and propaganda pamphlets.... To those who don't believe,

"If you don't like it, change the channel..." It's as simple as that.... Noone drags your ass into church. Noone is forcing you to give $$ to them... You are free to do what you want. BUT, this country was founded on religion, and people came here for religious freedom. That, is a hard fact..... And cannot be changed.... And as for my view, I went to a Catholic school untill the 5th grade. Got out of there, and raised hell in the public schools. I believe in something out there. Prove me wrong.... It's a he said she said battle. Without the bible, the world would be chaotic. Watch the movie Stigmata. One of my favorites. I love that flic. Some serious shit in there...... The Church of today, isn't nearly what it was 1,000 years ago...... It's a "non-profit" organization.... I can pray in my own house just as well as I can pray at church.......

[Maverick302]

Anybody see previews for Exorcist: The New Beginning?

[Holyman]

I find that all the people I have talked to on the subject of religion {literally hundreds} believe in something greater than themselves. Often times they have a hard time difining it. Without a belief in something greater than ones self a person has no goals. Even an athiest has goals... something they don't have now that is better that what they do have now... that they try to achieve. Because of this everyone has a God of sorts. Whether you call that God... Jesus, Bhudda, The Great Spirit, Nature, Aliens, Money, Education, Sex, Recreation, Self indulgence, Politics, Nationalism, or others, everyone gives worship to something.

Many {certainly not all} of the people who "believe" have tried these various lifestyles and devotions and have not found happiness and thus have moved on to a belief in an all powerful God. Unfortunately because people in general are also lazy and like to hear what is pleasing, religions as a whole have set themselves as a one stop shop for truth or at least one stop shop for what you want to hear. Because of this you can find churches that believe almost anything. There are religions that believe in everything from complete self deprivation {basically no happiness of any sort for the "believer"} to complete self indulgence {basically anything that you want to do is OK with God} and everything in between.

In spite of all these various beliefs that claim to be approved by God, God has his own rules.

I may "believe" that going 70 on my Banshee thru a school zone is OK, but the real authority in this case has definite rules about such behaviour. I may be able to do this repeatedly without consequences or being caught. I may do it for the rest of my life and never be caught. That doesn't change the rules. I may encourage others to do the same thing and may even get groups of people to believe it's OK. But the fact remains, it is illegal.

Almost all of organized religion works the same way. And since they feel that God will not come down and correct them, they get away with it. So churches promote hate, materializm, greed, rebellion, and more often than not the leaders not only monetarily {money wise} but also physically molest the congregation.

All of this still does not change the rules. The unique perspective of God is that he has 2 advantages that humans do not have 1- everlasting life and 2- the ability to correct mistakes.

The problem with humans is their lack of desire to do anything beyond the present... what's in it for me NOW.

Because God will live beyond our human lifetime, he has the ability to see not just the big picture but the WHOLE picture. And because he is all powerful, he can correct the mistakes that we individually make and make them better even if that includes bringing us back to life under perfect conditions.

Most people will acknowledge that if they were givin God's powers, there would definitely be people on the "recycle" list and those on the reward list. And most people would agree that no matter what other people thought, since you are God, you make the rules. And you may decide to give some consideration to someone who is pleasing to you more than someone who is not pleasing to you. So basically you would reward those who do what you want and punish those who don't. It's that simple. God is the same. And no matter how often someone complained or whined or said how bad they have it, you {as God} know how it will turn out in the end and you will make the final call.

If God stepped in every time someone stubbed their toe, people would never learn to walk... they'd let God do it for them. An experiment was done on mice. They put a mouse in a bucket of water with no way for it to rest. It had to swim to stay alive. Just when it gave up and began to drown, it was rescued. Once the mouse was fully rested, it was placed back in the water. Because it expected to be saved, it without exception, would only swim half as long. It would give up expecting to be rescued.

Alot of people say that there is no God because they expect to be pulled out of every negative thing they get themselves into and when something goes well, they puff out their chest and brag that they did it by themselves. If you had an employee, a student, or even a child like that you'd feel like smacking 'em. Why would God be any different.

All I'm saying here is that many say they don't believe in God and God gives us that right, but much of what is said about God is based on inaccuracy, put out by people who neither know nor appreciate his gifts and who would rather use him as a club to beat you up for your wallet. The real God is ALWAYS loving. And the only way to find that out is learn more about him.

[BenBB]

LOL some funny shit in here, I can see both sides' point of view...I guess I have our forefathers to thank for being able to do that, and their offspring's blood spilled to be able to talk about it...freedom baby.

 

I heard something funny once, someone said "I don't think going to church makes you any more Christian than standing in the garage makes you a car".

 

Personally, I think that humans have a spiritual capability, and that we each have our own way of expressing it or experiencing it. I take a minute every time I'm at the dunes to appreciate the beauty of the sand and the clouds, and yeah when I'm really in a bind I'll have a few words with the "big guy" upstairs, just in case. To me, it's like "to each his own"...it takes all kindsa people in this life, believe what you want to...

[bignasty1]

i honestly dont know what to believe in if anything other than what i can see or do. theres reasons to believe and there are reasons not to its all on how you as a person look at it i just sit back in awe at all the good things we have here in front of us and i am just thankfull i get to be a part of this world. i get sick of hearing ppl say f*ck god and all this other bullshit and then i hear someone turn aroud and say ur going to hell for that or something to that effect i just wish most ppl would keep their fuckin beliefes to them selves unless asked to share or have something informative and realative to say about their beliefes. it all revolves around personal preference what what ppl think they want to hear good or bad its true... i just figure i'll keep on keepin on cuz lifes a garden ya gotta dig it.

[Maverick302]

Reading everything over and over makes me think...Hope is what God is. When we get caught up in something, we pray to God...we hope we get out. We have something to look forward to after life...hope to go through life well. I say take things one at a time, have fun in life, be moral and obey all serious laws (the last 7 commandments...big lies, major theft, murder, adultery [which is like 3 commandments] and a basic respect for life), and if you do have to answer to God, just say "thats how I lived my life, I dont want to change it, so am I in?" Some people think you have to follow like a nun, others say "as long as I dont murder anyone Im good", some believe God did create and hes everything, while others believe its just exaggerated and God is mortal or fake. Point is, Religion is a topic that will never be understood, even if evolution is proved and/or we could travel back to God's creation. O and btw, ape to human evolution was not proved, however, the earth was a big gas ball of ammonia and hydrogen, two poisonus gases. It had a surface similar to venus, fiery and dangerous. Some of the hydrogen then floated into space, while the remaining gases changed to create earth, and eventually an atmosphere. All the while, single cells were living, adapting and evolving. Then theres a big gap in my knowledge till the jurassic era. I know those snail looking things lived really early but probly the same as dinos. I should probably stop talking now.

[frocashmoney24]

Posted: Jul 28 2004, 11:35 PM 

I agree with most of the "non-beleivers." My 2 cents is this:

 

The bible was written long ago when there was no "Law" and it was a way to scare people into acting civilized. All the bible boils down to for me is a set of guidelines of "to-do" and "dont-do." with a whole bunch of "do it and I'll slap you" filler to scare. I just treat people as I want to be treated. Don't steal, kill, rap or pillage are just thing I hope don't happen to me, so I don't do it to others.

I don't think people who believe are dumb or weak at all. They just don't look at things the same as I do. I grew up in a baptist family and went to church with them and have never thought it was for me.

 

As my final thought:

 

To each there own and live the way you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else!!! And as my dad did to me, I will show my kid both sides and let him\her choose and not brain wash from a early age either side.

 

 

Jeremy

 

 

right on brother! hit the nail on the head. now i do belive in evolution, but my question for the world is- if we evolved from monkeys and apes, why do you still have monkeys and apes

[Dark Ranger]

 

right on brother! hit the nail on the head. now i do belive in evolution, but my question for the world is- if we evolved from monkeys and apes, why do you still have monkeys and apes

Now that's an easy one. Apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor, not one from the other. That is if you believe in evolution.

[DUNEDEMON]

LOL some funny shit in here, I can see both sides' point of view...I guess I have our forefathers to thank for being able to do that, and their offspring's blood spilled to be able to talk about it...freedom baby.

 

I heard something funny once, someone said "I don't think going to church makes you any more Christian than standing in the garage makes you a car".

 

Personally, I think that humans have a spiritual capability, and that we each have our own way of expressing it or experiencing it. I take a minute every time I'm at the dunes to appreciate the beauty of the sand and the clouds, and yeah when I'm really in a bind I'll have a few words with the "big guy" upstairs, just in case. To me, it's like "to each his own"...it takes all kindsa people in this life, believe what you want to...

Well put Ben, my sentiments exactly! I could not have said it better myself.

[SANDSTAR]

God has to exist.

 

1. You gotta believe that everyone in the world has some basic rights. The right to have children, the right to own a piece of property(inluding,but not limited to, banshee, land, written material such as songs and books), the right to say whatever you want in this very forum,the right to protect yourself, your family,and your property. There are alot more, but I would be typing forever.

 

2.If you agree that some basic rights exist, but you think that a man or a government GAVE you those rights, then you better be prepared for that MAN or GOVERNMENT to take it away whenever they so choose to.

 

3.If you believe that God, an entity that has dominion over man, gave you those rights, then man has no authority to take them from you.

 

If you don't want to lay down and let a man take your rights away, express your belief that man has no right to do so. Man has been struggling since the dawn of time to take your shit. But one thing keeps messin' man up. A person's restance to lay down their freedoms because of a belief that man has no right to take rights that were God-given. If enough people live by this philosopy, then the world would be a free place which Governments would only do what they were invented for-protection.

 

But man sometimes succeeds in taking freedoms. And the vehicle that is used is a thing called "organized religion". God rewards free thinkers with insight and more freedom. God can't give you a new car. God can't clear up your acne problem, or make your wifes Vaginosis go away. What god can do is keep your ass free to take care of all the small stuff.

 

When you pray, don't pray for a new Banshee. Don't pray for your dead dog to come back to life. Pray that man dosen't come up with a way to take more shit from you than he already has.

 

Who is God? Who knows. Maybe he is just an idea, but I like the "God in charge of man's rights" theory better than the "man in charge of man's rights" theory.

 

As for Evolution, if we came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys running around???

[evil]

As for Evolution, if we came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys running around???

underachievers

[dogboystoy]

Well, Im pretty simple on this one. I believe in god "just in case". I believe in evolution. I believe in scientific theories. I really find it hard to believe that there is a being floating around, keeping an eye on everyone, but hey, I can roll with it. I am more prone to believe that an alien species populated the earth, or at least started life. Kind of like the movie "Mission to mars".

I also believe that the bible was fabricated by humans to keep the chaos in control, also it is hard for a lot of people to accept, that maybe there is nothing when we die. Maybe not, maybe I will be sitting next to a keg when I die with a never ending supply,, wouldnt that be cool.

But, I HATE the televangelists, those bastards take money from the people that need it most. Of course my fairly well to do grandpartents give thousands of dollars to them people all of the time. I wish theyd give me some. I could make the world a happy place with a few more thousand dollars. ( at least my world would be happier)