sweetshee4312 Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Ok, well i was having prollems iwth my shee, it was smokin more ont he right side than the left, and running liek absolute shit....well, i decided, it was the right crank seal, so im takin my pipes off, the right pipe is dry, except for were it slides onto cylander and the wet stuff smells nothin like oil to me, i even took out my dip stick and cheaked...i thought beofre it looked like the oil was goin down, but now it looks teh same as when i put it in new(i know im a joke to the hq) the compression is good for a new rebuild...jetting dunno, im running 340 mains now 25 pilots, needle middle, casue i had 27.5's and it wasnt running right. well it bogs on bottom middle is ok, and op end breaks up(not bog) but breaks up, sounds more like a chain saw.....i have nooo idea wha it is... i noticed when i would ride it liek 25 min it loosk like the cylanders would smoke the same, then at idle would smoke diffrent, but there is still more on the right....i dunno now if i should rip my motor apart or wha...i stuck my hand up in the cylanders and rubbed the piston, dont smell oil, and the gas doesnt smell tha bad either....my dads truck burned oil and man it fuckin reacked, this smelled like 4-stroke gas....ne sugestions other than right crank seal?? i did just ahev my whole engine apart, but i replaced all teh seals with new ones.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetshee4312 Posted July 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 o by the way its not the head gasket, i put 2 on now, i even had the stealer shit instal the one cost me 80 bucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetshee4312 Posted July 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Dont worry im about this, im sellin it tom.. its going up for sale, i cant take the peice of shit ne more....NOw the carbs are waaaaay outta sync when i cheaked them, the air screws like so un even it isnt funny, f*ck banshees put 900 into it for a passion port, cant even use the fuckin thing over there summer f*ck banshee f*ck this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 why isnt jim from Passion helping you ?? he should be able to get you real close with your jetting specs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 (edited) Dont worry im about this, im sellin it tom.. its going up for sale, i cant take the peice of shit ne more....NOw the carbs are waaaaay outta sync when i cheaked them, the air screws like so un even it isnt funny, f*ck banshees put 900 into it for a passion port, cant even use the fuckin thing over there summer f*ck banshee f*ck this NO! never sell a shee its umm against, like, umm bible laws, uhh, yeah. but you should get it figured out cause when its right it will rip your arms off. just send jim a PM at "passionre" and he will so get back to you ASAP plus f*ck the shee in the summer the fall and spring are the months to use it anyways, minez broken right now and i have no reason to fix it cause its 101 outside and thats too fuckin hot to be in ridin gear. Edited July 24, 2004 by therail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frocashmoney24 Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 are you running stock carbs with a passion engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sredish Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 plus f*ck the shee in the summer the fall and spring are the months to use it anyways, minez broken right now and i have no reason to fix it cause its 101 outside and thats too fuckin hot to be in ridin gear. aaah, c'mon. it's never too hot to ride. thats FO SHO! Just get up early. It hits 98 in the afternoon, but if your up at 7 here then it's in the 80's and won't get really hot till 1 or maybe 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 plus f*ck the shee in the summer the fall and spring are the months to use it anyways, minez broken right now and i have no reason to fix it cause its 101 outside and thats too fuckin hot to be in ridin gear. aaah, c'mon. it's never too hot to ride. thats FO SHO! Just get up early. It hits 98 in the afternoon, but if your up at 7 here then it's in the 80's and won't get really hot till 1 or maybe 2. good point, i just said that because minez broken. i guess what i should have said was its 101 here and thats way too damn hot to be playin in the garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sredish Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 its 101 here and thats way too damn hot to be playin in the garage. Now that, I understand. I have to go out there at like 10 at night if I have to work on something, to f'ing hot during the day. i hate getting up early with a passion, but i will do it to ride and hunt and fish, that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 its 101 here and thats way too damn hot to be playin in the garage. Now that, I understand. I have to go out there at like 10 at night if I have to work on something, to f'ing hot during the day. i hate getting up early with a passion, but i will do it to ride and hunt and fish, that's about it. its really pretty funny cause all this week is was hotter than hell when i had to put some parts on my truck so i could go to the lake this weekend. but now guess what. its 72 friggin degrees. and i havent got a damn thing to install, clean, tweak, adjust, or polish on any of my toys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetshee4312 Posted July 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 when i look int eh carbs.... the air screws look un even, is that normal, and also, the right pie seems try, does tha mean its not burning oil its somethign else?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDD Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 I think the biggest problem is the person working on it. If you don't have th patients or the knowledge to work on a piece of machinery that needs attention ever time it's ridden you should have left it stock and take it to someone that knows what they are doing. Anyway to answer your questions the air screws can look like they are set differently on each carb and it doesn't matter as long as they are turned in until they stop and then turned out the same amount ie... 1.5 turns. Next the jetting is still off which could lead to one side smoking more than the other at idle. Depending on what mods are done to the motor (sounds like passion ported it) you will have a hell of a time jetting that thing with stock carbs. How do I know this??? Ask Justintoxicated and Inflames who helped them with their Banshees. Until they put other larger carbs on their machines it didn't matter what I tried the jetting wouldn't work just right. From what I have found you will need custom needles made for the stock carbs and 30-32.5 pilots and 370 mains at sea level. Your best bet will be to save your pennies and buy some 28 pwks. You don't want bigger carbs as you will need intakes and other stuff to make that setup work. Well that should be more than enough to get you pissed at me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaynSand Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Sweet , if your smoking more on one side than the other a little I would not worry about it a lot , it probably means your carbs are not perfectly in sync or air screws oare off alittle. Just set both air screws about 1 1/2 turns out start it up and let it idle, if it will . Now look at the pipes ,,, is the right side smoking more?? If it is .. turn the idle screw in on the left carb a little , if this helps even the smoke and idle is not too fast you are done with one step. If it idles to fast at this point , you must screw the idle screws out equally on both carbs to achieve desired idle. Now adjust your air screws to get best idle , turn both screws out 2 turns give it a little time , Did it speed up and idle smooth ?? or did it start surging ??If it is worse then screw the screws in to 1 turn out and try that . If you have it smoking and idleing to your satisfaction , lets kill it .And remove the airbox so we can see in the carbs. Now get wherew you can see the slides and reach the throttle at the same time. Squeeze the trottle very lightly to you see one of the slides move , let off and do this several times to see if both slides move at the same time. If you see one slide lifting before the other (even slightly ) adjust the cable adjuster on the lagging carb , now watch them again . Are they the same now?? if so great , if not , adjust some more. Don't adjust too much , you need to make sure both slides are still closing , and that you have not adjusted the cable so much that you lifted the slide without pushing the throttle , make sure you maintain free play in the throttle or you will mess up all your idle adjustments .and have to redo them. If you get to this point , holler and we will go from there. Don't worry about having stock carbs , you can get them to work, maybe not as good as bigger carbs but they will run good on mild ported 350. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Don't worry about having stock carbs , you can get them to work, maybe not as good as bigger carbs but they will run good on mild ported 350. Agreed. I think the biggest problem is the person working on it. If you don't have th patients or the knowledge to work on a piece of machinery that needs attention ever time it's ridden you should have left it stock and take it to someone that knows what they are doing. SSD bud, thats not cool. Thats not how we help our fellow bhq members. We were all learning this stuff at one time. Take your own advice and be patient when your replying to a 15 year member who's learning this right now. He's 15 and he tore the top and bottom end apart, re-assembled everything and now he's havin some tuning issues. I don't think telling him the "biggest problem is the person workin on it" is going to help him solve his problem. Sweetshee, did you test your oil level like I said a few days ago ? You gotta be 101% sure that your not burning oil. I have a hunch that your NOT burning oil through the seals because you just replaced em correct ?? Air screws. Get a flathead skwoo dwiva and turn both screws all the way in till they seat. Seat em lightly, they are made of a soft brass and you can damage em if you tork em down hard, just screw em all the way in till they stop going in any farther. Now screw em back out 1-1\2 turns. Both of em... 1-1\2 turns out. The air screws only effect throttle position at idle to about 1\8th throttle. Get em set at 1-1\2 turns out and leave em alone for now, you should jet your main jets in first. Main jets. PassionRE should be able to get you within' 2 sizes of perfect. Make sure you tell Jim what brand of pipes your using, what air filter setup your using, what your altitude is and the air tempertures are currently. The main jets control throttle position at about 3\4 throttle to WOT(wide open throttle). Get the engine warmed up by riding around the back yard or whatever... get her warmed up first before you start testing your main jets. If Jim tells you that 320 main jets will get you close, then you need to go buy main jets sizes 350, 340, 330, 320, 310, 300, 290 and a set of 280s. Start jetting with the biggest main jets you own so you are gaurnteed to be rich. Find a nice straight stretch of road where you can wind it out in 4th gear. You dont' have to be WOT the whole run, just get her moving through 1st through 4th gears and then when your in 4th gear, take it to WOT. When your about 3\4 throttle it should start bogging and sputtin' and you'll prolly not even get to WOT, you might even foul a plug. Thats what we want to happen*sorta*. You want to start off jetting on the rich side of the jetting spectrum. Now some guys like to kill the engine and read the spark plugs, a black tipped spark plug will tell you that you were running rich, a white tipped plug.... like how they look brand new... tells you your running lean. But if you put in 3 sizes larger than what Jim recommends then you should def be rich and you should experience the bogging like I mentioned. If your sure that the main jet is too big\rich, then drop down ONE size on the mains and take it for another ride. Keep dropping main jet sizes till it pulls cleanly from 1\2 throttle past 3\4 all the way to WOT or damn close to WOT. Once you have the mains dialed in, or very very close to dialed in, then its time to fine tune your air screws. Needles, I always recommend leaving them in the stock positon, meaning dont move the little clip. The stock position is in the 3rd\middle groove. Moving the needle clip shifts the whole jetting of the carbs, moving that clip one position either way, causes a significant jetting change and effects your main jets and your pilot jetting. If you move that clip around, you'll prolly need to re-jet the mains and airscrews\pilots to match. Aftermarkte needles come with little washers that you can put under or over the needle clips, these washers effectly double the amount of grooves in the needles, and allow you to fine tune your needle jetting without causing a MAJOR jetting change, the washers allow you to adjust the clips in 1\2 increments instead of full groove increments. Aftermarket needles are nice to have if your running stock carbs and you have a ported engine. Toomey sells a set, Motion Pro sells a set and Vito's sells a set. I run a set of Vito's needles in my carbs. Vito's sells needle sets for stock motors and ported motors, make sure you buy em for ported motors if you decide you want a set. They're like $30 bucks. Before you work on your jetting make certain that your not burning tranny oil. Make sure your not leaking tranny oil on the ground either. Make certain the engine is broke in properly. Jet on a nice warm day, low humidity is better. and also, the right pie seems try Cherry, apple or pumkin ? Try buyin an aftermarket pie maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton eyed Joe Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 and also, the right pie seems try Cherry, apple or pumkin ? Try buyin an aftermarket pie maybe. Now, cmon Meat...You know better than that. You didn't mention a chocolate creme pie or a merangue. Is cheese cake a pie? It looks like a pie...but its called a cake.... one of lifes many conundrums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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