sweetshee4312 Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 amen.....i suppot bush, and the soldiers be safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooke Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 i just have a couple things to say. first, universal healthcare, like what canada has, is a HUGE problem. they dont have the money needed for equipment in their hospitals, hence the looong wait list. you know you can wait for like six months up there before getting treated for something like a broken arm?! they are suffering, and i live in maine, which borders canada, and ill tell you right now, canadians are jumping border for healthcare just as fast if not faster than our elderly are jumping border for perscriptions. if you dont have insurance you can still get treatment, hospitals have the most forgiving payment plans around. if all you can pay is $6 a month, theyll allow it. and they forgive an unbelievable amount of debts when people cant afford care, my mom is a hospital big wig she sees it all the time. and since people can sue doctors for anything, now they cant afford malpractice insurance so thats why your costs are going sky high. and on the whole outsourcing thing. big companies are sending their low skilled, low paying jobs overseas so that they can afford to create and hire high skilled workers for higher pay. so, get an education, thats what college loans are for, pay $20 a month for the rest of your life on your loan, it will be worth it. if college isnt your thing, learn a skill or trade, start a business, anyone can become successful here, thats what makes this country great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokeStonedBiker Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 you can get more oney on the weekends at some of these flee markets than you will make at full time job during the week. people have nothin to do but spend there money. my brothers girl friend is a shopaholic and she spends crazzy amounts of money. people are stupid with there money. if you want money stop thinking about how much you dont have and think of a way to get some. or like brooke said and get an education and get paid, but most of these people are nurses and doctors and stuff and they cant even figure out the cure for the common cold. to have a degree in medicine is like having a degree in nothing. all you can do it give someone a new heart or fix a collar bone when they mess up hitting the tripples. as for the disease though. the medical feid is clue less. makes you wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooke Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 uhh broke, where are you living? a medical degree is useless?? they do a hell of a lot more than fix broken bones and replace hearts. you need to stop talking out of your ass. doctors and nurses save lives every day, what have you done to contribute to society lately? my mom is a hero. she came from almost nothing, worked her way through college, paid her own way, gained her own debts, worked her ass off to be where she is. she could be another board member and another department head sitting in meetings all day, but she still chooses to do patient care a couple shifts a week on top of all that because she cares so much about what she does, and why she entered the field to begin with. she saves lives, and she is surrounded by other nurses/doctors/CNAs who are everyday heros, and good good people. and hey man, i have to say, i have just as much respect for joe schmoe who gets up everyday to work at mcdonalds and provide for himself or his family, good work ethic, doin whats gotta be done to get by. work hard in life, appreciate what you have, appreciate that youre healthy and able to get up every day and go out there to work. some people would die to be able to do just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokeStonedBiker Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Deliberate misrepresentation of fact has always been the privilege of the directors of mass media. Their agents - the PR industry - cannot afford random objective journalism interpreting events as they actually take place. This would be much too confusing for the average consumer, who has been spoonfed his opinions since the day he was born. No, we can't have that. In all the confusion the viewer might get the idea that he is supposed to make up his own mind about the significance of some event or other. The end product of good media is single-mindedness. Confusion and individual interpretation of events do not foster the homogenized, one-dimensional outlook.For this reason, events must have a spin put on them - an interpretation, a frame of reference. Subtleties are omitted; all that is presented is the bottom line. The minute that decision is made - what spin to put on a story - we have left the world of reporting and entered the world of propaganda. By definition, propaganda replaces faithful reporting with deceitful reporting. Here's an obvious example: the absurd and unremitting allegations of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction as a rationale for the invasion of Iraq. Of course none were ever found, but that is irrelevant. We weren't really looking for any weapons - but the deceit served its purpose - get us in there. Later the ruse can be abandoned and forgotten; its usefulness is over. And nobody will notice. Characterization of Saddam as a murderous tyrant was decided to be an insufficient excuse for invading a sovereign nation. After all, there are literally dozens of murderous tyrants the world over, going their merry ways. We can't be expected to police all of them. So it was decided that the murderous tyrant thing, though good, was not enough. To whip a sleeping people into war consciousness has historically involved one additional prerequisite: threat. Saddam must therefore be not only a baby-killing maniac; he must be a threat to the rest of the world, especially America. Why? Because he has weapons of mass destruction. For almost two years, this myth was assiduously programmed into the lowest common denominator of awareness which Americans substitute for consciousness. The majority still believe it.Hitler used the exact same tack with the Czechs and Poles at the beginning of his rampage. These peaceful peoples were not portrayed as an easy mark for the German war machine - no, they were a threat to the Fatherland itself. And threats must be removed by all available force. With Iraq, the fact that inspectors never came up with any of these dread weapons before Saddam was captured - this fact was never mentioned. That one phrase - WMD WMD WMD - repeated ad nauseam month after month had served its purpose - whip the people into war mode. It didn't have to be true; it just had to work. A staggering indicator of how low the general awareness had sunk is that this mantra continued to be used as our license to invade Iraq long after our initial assault. If Saddam had any such weapons, probably a good time to trot them out would be when a foreign country is moving in, wouldn't you say?No weapons were ever found, nor will they be. So confident was the PR machine in the general inattention to detail commonly exhibited by the comatose American people that they didn't even find it necessary to plant a few mass weapons to justify the invasion. It was almost insulting. So we see that a little deceit goes a long way. All it takes is repetition. Lay the groundwork and the people will buy anything. After that just ride it out until they seem doubtful again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlnoss Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 I believe the Iraq war was, and still is, necessary. I imagine the Iraqis who are against it have something to lose in a relatively free society. Those aren't the people we are fighting for anyhow. Churchill was criticized initially for opposing Hitler, Reagan was criticized for how he ended the cold war, and now Bush is being criticized for fighting terrorism and the countries who sponsor and support terrorism. When you look at history, the weak leaders like LBJ, Clinton and Carter put us in the situations that the strong leaders had to bail us out of. Turning the other cheek or being a pussy only allows dictators and terrorists to become stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokeStonedBiker Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 and to you brooke. yes your saving lives. you get so imotionally attached to your work that you dont have an extra hand to take care of your self. our health is deteriorating year by year. The rates of all degenerative diseases in this country are increasing. We have more asthma, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, depression, arthritis, allergies, digestive disorders, and obesity than ever before in history. At the same time we spend more and more money each year for "Health Care." We have more doctors and more drugs than any civilization in history. But it's not working.What's not working is the underlying idea. If doctors and drugs could give us better health, we'd already be better. That is why the field of holistic and alternative medicine is growing so fast - it's survival.The healthiest people in human history were groups who were geographically isolated from "civilization." These people had no specialists, no HMOs, no prescription drugs, and no immense hospitals. They were never subverted with the idea that the responsibility for their own health lay outside themselves. Except in the cases of traumatic injury, for most of their lives they looked to the body's inner wisdom, and trusted only that. And it worked - they had beautiful teeth, strong bones, and very little degenerative disease.Today it's almost as though our ancestors are trying to speak to us. The searching, jumbled mess we find in the field of today's Alternative Medicine has a real, valid, vital, underlying power source: the impulse to give the body time to heal itself, to let it try and put the steps of the healing process together all by itself, without potent, unproven interventions - in short, to listen first to the doctor within. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelbanshee2 Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 all you can do it give someone a new heart or fix a collar bone when they mess up hitting the tripples. as for the disease though. the medical feid is clue less. makes you wonder. yeah ALL they can do is give someone a new heart and fix bones...sheeeesh those doctors are over rated...my cat just did open heart surgery on my dad..hes doing fine! silly doctors...and yeah they are so clueless about disease...thats why we dont have to worry about polio, bubonic plauge, small pox, heck even chicken pox! man are those doctors dumb!! free health care WILL solve this though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokeStonedBiker Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 all you can do it give someone a new heart or fix a collar bone when they mess up hitting the tripples. as for the disease though. the medical feid is clue less. makes you wonder. yeah ALL they can do is give someone a new heart and fix bones...sheeeesh those doctors are over rated...my cat just did open heart surgery on my dad..hes doing fine! silly doctors...and yeah they are so clueless about disease...thats why we dont have to worry about polio, bubonic plauge, small pox, heck even chicken pox! man are those doctors dumb!! free health care WILL solve this though now your talkin about science not doctors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justintoxicated Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 (edited) i just have a couple things to say. first, universal healthcare, like what canada has, is a HUGE problem. they dont have the money needed for equipment in their hospitals, hence the looong wait list. you know you can wait for like six months up there before getting treated for something like a broken arm?! they are suffering, and i live in maine, which borders canada, and ill tell you right now, canadians are jumping border for healthcare just as fast if not faster than our elderly are jumping border for perscriptions. if you dont have insurance you can still get treatment, hospitals have the most forgiving payment plans around. if all you can pay is $6 a month, theyll allow it. and they forgive an unbelievable amount of debts when people cant afford care, my mom is a hospital big wig she sees it all the time. and since people can sue doctors for anything, now they cant afford malpractice insurance so thats why your costs are going sky high. and on the whole outsourcing thing. big companies are sending their low skilled, low paying jobs overseas so that they can afford to create and hire high skilled workers for higher pay. so, get an education, thats what college loans are for, pay $20 a month for the rest of your life on your loan, it will be worth it. if college isnt your thing, learn a skill or trade, start a business, anyone can become successful here, thats what makes this country great. I'm applying for Grad school College end next week Low paying jobs like what? Paying someone 10 cents an hour to put together a Nike Shoe? Yea, that sounds really fair. So your sayng it is perfectly reasonable to exploit people in other countries to increase profits in the United States? And for our Big guns to exploit our labor over hear elimination the middle class we once had? I know I know, everyone thinks of themselves as middle class because they are not poor, but the difference between our middle class and being poor is no where near the difference between have real with and being middle class, few million dollars is nothing to some of these people, so the way I see it there really is only 2 classes in our society. The US has way more money for Health care than canada, so say it is impossible or it can't happen is ignorent. IMO you have to be open to new ideas and not just shoot down everything that imeadiatly does not sound feasable. I didn't say it was something that can happen overnight, but we are spending 5 billion dollars of tax payers money on a war a month on war and you don't think we could afford some sort of free health care? I didn't say it has to be shitty like canadas, but another fact of the matter is that people don't go to the doctors over here unless they have a) good health care benefits or they are dying... For only millions (not billions) of $$ we could have runing watter throughout the world? Why Dosent the US do that if you think we are so concerned about helping other nations? My definition of a strong leader is a little different, by my definition our society cannot accept strong leaders. A Strong leader is someone who while helping the society to thrive and florish, is capable of teaching it's people well enough to continue running things after they step down or resign. There is no place for strong leaders in out society. In our society we elect a leader and expect them to run the show for us. But thats a different definition, from a different perspective... A medical degree is far from useless. I see what my G/F has do deal with and some of that shit is just plain crazy and I could not put up with it. But I disagree on the people who work fast food, they always short me on fries! lol Again, I did not say I'm compleatly against the war, but I do feel that the way bush handled things makes many nations look down on ours. And to think that we have not killed hundreads of Innocent people over there is also a mistake, however inevitable it may have been. Ducman I don't believe your capitalist comment at all, plenty of people make decent lives in other countries (and our own)through something called profit, not capital! But your equality definition is right on, equal opertunity is NOT the same as everyone being equal, that would suck! RebelBanshee, yes I consider it an attack, but who's to say that Iraq was involved. Thats like getting beat up, because your friend beat someone up kinda isn't it? Not exactly of course. heh. Gargamel Right on I hear you man! and finaly, the US governments purpose cannot any longer be the same as it was when our nation was first founded, and the only way a government can continue to operate is to be flexable and react to new problems and needs of it's people. The health care thing was onyl an example. Edited April 30, 2004 by Justintoxicated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooke Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 you ever think that we have "more" instances of certain ailments (excluding obesity) because of advancements in detection and diagnosis? yea, when you come down with cancer or some other horrible thing, i wanna see you turn away from doctors and nurses and go to your voodoo "doctors" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcaf29 Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 (edited) Hey Wiz get your facts straight. All those diseases are not on an incline. The numbers may have increased but the number of diseases per capita has gone down over the decades. your misconstruing the numbers. If the number of cancer deaths go up by 1000 per year but the population goes up one million, that actually shows a decrease in rate. But of course you knew that. Edited April 30, 2004 by mcaf29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokeStonedBiker Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Hey Wiz get your facts straight. All those diseases are not on an incline. The numbers may have increased but the number of diseases per capita has gone down over the decades. your misconstruing the numbers. If the number of cancer deaths go up by 1000 per year but the population goes up one million, that actually shows a decrease in rate. But of course you knew that. should have become a nuclier scientist. brooke, yes i would turn away from doctors. i have. i would rather die on my front porch. what would you rather do, become so hoplessly dependant on your doctors and when you find out you going to die panic and depend on them to save your life? or pass on all your knowledge and wisdome to your loved ones and die in the comfort of where you live/ where you have spend most of your time. because you know we all die some day. ever see that movie phanominon? i know its just a movie but its the same priciple. just because i see it, peoples dreams get ruined they think they will live for ever and then, they get told they have a couple months to live. causes lots of problems when people rely on there health care. then they want it free, LMAO. the best thinks in live come free, health care should be one of them but not conventional meds, alternative knowledge and medicine should be free to those who need it. but you would have to pay people to grow it and harvest it. so it shouldnt be free i guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcaf29 Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 That's nookyooler scientist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Deliberate misrepresentation of fact has always been the privilege of the directors of mass media. Their agents - the PR industry - cannot afford random objective journalism interpreting events as they actually take place. This would be much too confusing for the average consumer, who has been spoonfed his opinions since the day he was born. No, we can't have that. In all the confusion the viewer might get the idea that he is supposed to make up his own mind about the significance of some event or other. The end product of good media is single-mindedness. Confusion and individual interpretation of events do not foster the homogenized, one-dimensional outlook.For this reason, events must have a spin put on them - an interpretation, a frame of reference. Subtleties are omitted; all that is presented is the bottom line. The minute that decision is made - what spin to put on a story - we have left the world of reporting and entered the world of propaganda. By definition, propaganda replaces faithful reporting with deceitful reporting. Here's an obvious example: the absurd and unremitting allegations of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction as a rationale for the invasion of Iraq. Of course none were ever found, but that is irrelevant. We weren't really looking for any weapons - but the deceit served its purpose - get us in there. Later the ruse can be abandoned and forgotten; its usefulness is over. And nobody will notice. Characterization of Saddam as a murderous tyrant was decided to be an insufficient excuse for invading a sovereign nation. After all, there are literally dozens of murderous tyrants the world over, going their merry ways. We can't be expected to police all of them. So it was decided that the murderous tyrant thing, though good, was not enough. To whip a sleeping people into war consciousness has historically involved one additional prerequisite: threat. Saddam must therefore be not only a baby-killing maniac; he must be a threat to the rest of the world, especially America. Why? Because he has weapons of mass destruction. For almost two years, this myth was assiduously programmed into the lowest common denominator of awareness which Americans substitute for consciousness. The majority still believe it.Hitler used the exact same tack with the Czechs and Poles at the beginning of his rampage. These peaceful peoples were not portrayed as an easy mark for the German war machine - no, they were a threat to the Fatherland itself. And threats must be removed by all available force. With Iraq, the fact that inspectors never came up with any of these dread weapons before Saddam was captured - this fact was never mentioned. That one phrase - WMD WMD WMD - repeated ad nauseam month after month had served its purpose - whip the people into war mode. It didn't have to be true; it just had to work. A staggering indicator of how low the general awareness had sunk is that this mantra continued to be used as our license to invade Iraq long after our initial assault. If Saddam had any such weapons, probably a good time to trot them out would be when a foreign country is moving in, wouldn't you say?No weapons were ever found, nor will they be. So confident was the PR machine in the general inattention to detail commonly exhibited by the comatose American people that they didn't even find it necessary to plant a few mass weapons to justify the invasion. It was almost insulting. So we see that a little deceit goes a long way. All it takes is repetition. Lay the groundwork and the people will buy anything. After that just ride it out until they seem doubtful again. You should quote the sources of your liberal bullshit as this is obviously a cut and paste job because there are virtually no spelling errors unlike your other posts: so they get to be told by a "profecianal" what is right and wrong. they will have other "profecionals" or you get so imotionally attached to your work or nuclier Seriously brokestoned, you need to get a clue and find a happy medium between mainstream and extremism because you are way out there dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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